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cloudboy -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/5/2006 4:38:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine

Cloudboy, you get very exercised about allegations against the United States but I haven't seen you get exercised about worse allegations elsewhere.


I'm a citizen of the USA, and hence I feel a certain responsibility / accountability for its actions.


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Now this is MY point


You don't deal in reality. Steven Colbert is more grounded than you.





DelightMachine -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/5/2006 4:29:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
It must be amazing to be you.

Actually, it is.
Blah, blah, blah.
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To be able to decide what is and isnt fact based on virtually nothing.

Oh, I didn't give any reasons? I didn't cite any sources?
Hack, gag cough.
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To quote Wikipedia, lol (no controversy there).

Oh, I DID cite someone -- but you don't like it. Well, do you disagree with what they said? Why? Cite your own sources. Those Wikipedia articles cited their sources. They didn't say anything I hadn't heard before from sources I already know are reliable. Your scoffing isn't exactly proof, by the way.
Scoff, regurgitate.
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To imply by your writing that I must be "left wing", such a simple "catch all" reply for those that are all or none thinkers. As if there was nothing in the middle.

I didn't. I said you took on left-wing arguments. You did.
Diarrhea of the mouth.
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To take comments made by others on this forum, and the attitude behind it and attribute it to me.

I didn't.
Look, I can come up with a stupid ass one line answer to anything. Just like my hero "DeliteChiney"
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To state as fact things I said, when asked for proof, to then state that thats what I "appeared" to have meant.

I can't help it if you can't write clearly. I reread what you wrote and I still think my interpretation of your cloudy language is the best. Feel free to restate exactly what you meant. 
Nah, it would be easier to explain it to a two year old.
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To demand vigorously "proof" but then when asked to reciprocate to offer none,

None? It's obvious to whoever reads this that I offered some at this point, and it's also obvious it's late. Have you offered more proof yourself? I don't see it.
Proof? Like 180 proof? I'll get the glasses, you get the ice.
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to quote "standard history (whatever the hell that is)

The consensus is as I stated it. Either show it's not the consensus or prove the consensus wrong.
Consensus. According to Fox News consensus Bush's poll numbers are 99% positive.
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and then to claim its past your bedtime so you can run off without providing the "proof"

You mean I'm not allowed to sleep or take a break when on these boards?
Nope, not until you actually say something intelligent.
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PROVE what you are claiming, stop claiming it or shut the hell up.
You mean you hold me to a higher standard than you hold yourself? Because you didn't exactly prove what you were claiming. If those Wikipedia articles are unreliable in your opinion, point to a better source. If you can show the reporting in those articles is false, do so. If you can't, quit yammering.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2005-12-05-wiki-rules_x.htm
Where theres one, theres more. Articles submitted by any moronic derelict readers. Perhaps you?
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And dont fucking accuse me of being anti-american ever again!

I defined what I consider anti-American, and you fit the bill.
I consider you to be *possibly* part girl, part frog, part rock, part (well your little two inch part) whatever, and partially at least a portion of a part of blustering ego with no substance. Do you fit the bill? You must. As you decided I am anti-american (political activist, regular voter, former MP, tax payer (by the way, where DID you serve your country, what branch?)) then I must be correct also based on the same criteria. You know its really been a pleasure kicking your ass all over these boards. have a nice evening and have sweet dreams of me, lol. [:)]



I think this response shows MsMacComb, despite the fact that she loves to post about politics, won't engage in any kind of constructive discussion with anyone she disagrees with. If you just start disagreeing with her in any detail at all, she falls back on insults and juvenile behavior.

In fact, she's one of several people on these boards who love to post about politics but hate to actually discuss it, because they constantly fall back on insults when they do.

cloudboy, as shown above, is one of them.

Therefore, everything they say about politics is useless, mindless, juvenile blather. I'm not going to bother trying to engage children in adult discussions. I may respond to a post in the future from these people, but the purpose will be to make statements to others. The minds of these people are closed.




MsMacComb -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 5:12:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine
I think this response shows MsMacComb, despite the fact that she loves to post about politics, won't engage in any kind of constructive discussion with anyone she disagrees with. If you just start disagreeing with her in any detail at all, she falls back on insults and juvenile behavior.

In fact, she's one of several people on these boards who love to post about politics but hate to actually discuss it, because they constantly fall back on insults when they do.

cloudboy, as shown above, is one of them.

Therefore, everything they say about politics is useless, mindless, juvenile blather. I'm not going to bother trying to engage children in adult discussions. I may respond to a post in the future from these people, but the purpose will be to make statements to others. The minds of these people are closed.
 

Yea well I replied to this but one of the moderators deleted it. So I guess there is no point in replying at length again as favoritism and arbitrary censorship is in play.




Wulfchyld -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 6:27:33 PM)

Lady, you are not the only one who feels that there is blatant favoritism on the behalf of stupidly. I have resigned myself to the fact the ignorance can be educated and stupid is forever. As long as the dog is fed it will continue to piss on your leg. Without restraint through warning or censorship it has become a redundant effort to parlay with such a creature. The apparent freedom of abuse has turned the poser… poster into a fascist sub who, IMO, has made the holder of it’s leash a mockery of the BDSM society. That said I give no weight nor merit to its constant dribble nor value to it’s, LMAO, Domme’s action or word. Furthermore, I offer warning to any new or old members to seek out a mature and sincere mentor for advice and explanation.




wytchywoman -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 6:34:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

Lady, you are not the only one who feels that there is blatant favoritism on the behalf of stupidly. I have resigned myself to the fact the ignorance can be educated and stupid is forever. As long as the dog is fed it will continue to piss on your leg. Without restraint through warning or censorship it has become a redundant effort to parlay with such a creature. The apparent freedom of abuse has turned the poser… poster into a fascist sub who, IMO, has made the holder of it’s leash a mockery of the BDSM society. That said I give no weight nor merit to its constant dribble nor value to it’s, LMAO, Domme’s action or word. Furthermore, I offer warning to any new or old members to seek out a mature and sincere mentor for advice and explanation.


Good post, Loki. For some reason the mods favor DelightMachine. I won't venture to guess why. It would be pure speculation which is not appropriate.

What I find interesting though is that his professed Domme never shows up to support him. She apparently does not share his opinions but does not mind her name being used in his signature as his "owner"

Most owners would take issue with one of their subs consistently flaming people for page after page since it relfects badly on the owner.

I don't care anymore. He's hopeless and small minded.




UtopianRanger -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 8:07:32 PM)

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For some reason the mods favor DelightMachine. I won't venture to guess why. It would be pure speculation which is not appropriate.


That's ridiculous. They don't favor him. There’s a ''mod'' board and they all post on it about specific problems, just like we post here. It’s my belief that one or all doesn't ''act'' until there's a consensus opinion -- Or, till Mod one{ And she’s a Libertarian ; }  }  decides differently.

There is absolutely no way in hell that ALL the mods share Delightmachine's same political philosophy - NO WAY, so I find it rather funny that you could think they would intervene in his behalf.

Now they might intervene if there's name calling, personal attacks or the poster is either a shit-disturber or is so redundant they just become a nuisance, but picking him out and protecting him is laughable.

You and the rest who were debating him were doing very well, you can either keep going or choose to no longer respond to any of his posts. That’s my advice.


JMHO..


 - R

Edited to add : For a while they were shorthanded with mods, so one mod was doing all the moderating. But with a few new mods, that surely means there's some new ways of looking at things.  ; }




MsMacComb -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 8:09:47 PM)

  Wulfchyld and Wytchywoman (those names would sound great as a couple [:)])
Its my own "fault" for having my reply deleted.  I know this will come as a massive shock to some but see I actually never graduated from charm school, lol. So I kind of speak in the manner which many adults do in real life, which sometimes includes the odd curse word. Now I fully understand why on some forums this would be either frowned upon or unacceptable (say a childs forum or a religious one) but on a site which deals with whipping, using electricity for torture, may encourage golden showers, spanking, foot worship, ball busting, cunt slapping  (oops better say vulva), blow jobs and fucking its beyond me why some words in some contexts is considered appaling. Its not like I told someone to go fuck their dead mother. Some people in the midst of a debate or discussion become sarcastic and insulting. The person in question did, usually does and if you reply in kind but include a curse word then your reply gets deleted and you get scolded by a moderator for "flaming". Now ordinarily a domme would find this horrible but I must confess that being scolded in such a manner was a bit titillating, lol. 
No but seriously there should perhaps be a warning label somewhere that states that language not befitting that of a church is not acceptable. Also perhaps a list of which people, their alias (or plural)  is secretly either a moderator or is dating a moderator so we would know which people can harrass and abuse members, and we are not allowed to reply to without being banned. Most likely this very post will be deleted or I will be banned. Or perhaps someone will list available moderators that are sub, so I can take one on and then be allowed to speak freely (as an adult instead of a child) and be able to take advantage of that form of favortism or perhaps its nepotism.
To summarize, he can, and is allowed to dish it out, but he can't take it and we arent allowed to give it. Nice work if you can get it.[:)]




caitlyn -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 9:10:19 PM)

The United States is a big powerful giant that uses all sorts of methods to project power, including what some might call torture. Perhaps someone could name the big powerful giant that hasn't.
 
People should save their shock for that day when those countries that America owe's money to, come to the conclusion that loaning money to someone that only has to pay you back if they feel like it ... may not have been a very good idea.
 
Some always seem shocked when the lion devours the lamb ... as if they thought the two would get to know each other, and the lion would come to it's senses.




LadyHugs -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 9:51:24 PM)

Dear MsMacComb, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do admit, that Amnesty International has done much to do, with informing the rich history of "torture" from historical times to the present.  Much of our modern S&M comes from the Inquisition period, tortures used modified to mute the effects.  Even putting on exhibitions of many of the bondage furnitures of the period.
 
We Americans have endured a lot of torture-- E-gads!  Nothing used today by Americans will never surpass the Inquisition where thousands of women and children died with far worse torture, to which the Catholic Church as failed to apologize for; to which surpassed the torture inflicted by the Nazi in WWII. 
 
Unfortunately, humans are cruel.  We see that in this CM site a lot.  Men inventing women's fashions, as to make them helpless and disabled for years.  Taxes, uncomfortable clothing and shoes -- What is needed is a Dominant Woman as President, representing the "Whip" party!  These countries need their spankings. 
 
[Searching for the icon for woman with a cracking whip do dad]
Submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




wytchywoman -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 10:08:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

Wulfchyld and Wytchywoman (those names would sound great as a couple [:)])
Its my own "fault" for having my reply deleted.  I know this will come as a massive shock to some but see I actually never graduated from charm school, lol. So I kind of speak in the manner which many adults do in real life, which sometimes includes the odd curse word. Now I fully understand why on some forums this would be either frowned upon or unacceptable (say a childs forum or a religious one) but on a site which deals with whipping, using electricity for torture, may encourage golden showers, spanking, foot worship, ball busting, cunt slapping  (oops better say vulva), blow jobs and fucking its beyond me why some words in some contexts is considered appaling. Its not like I told someone to go fuck their dead mother. Some people in the midst of a debate or discussion become sarcastic and insulting. The person in question did, usually does and if you reply in kind but include a curse word then your reply gets deleted and you get scolded by a moderator for "flaming". Now ordinarily a domme would find this horrible but I must confess that being scolded in such a manner was a bit titillating, lol. 
No but seriously there should perhaps be a warning label somewhere that states that language not befitting that of a church is not acceptable. Also perhaps a list of which people, their alias (or plural)  is secretly either a moderator or is dating a moderator so we would know which people can harrass and abuse members, and we are not allowed to reply to without being banned. Most likely this very post will be deleted or I will be banned. Or perhaps someone will list available moderators that are sub, so I can take one on and then be allowed to speak freely (as an adult instead of a child) and be able to take advantage of that form of favortism or perhaps its nepotism.
To summarize, he can, and is allowed to dish it out, but he can't take it and we arent allowed to give it. Nice work if you can get it.[:)]


Exactly, MsMacComb. I have been watching DelightMachine flame people for weeks now. The mods DO allow him to do whatever the hell he wants. He insults people, he flames them, he even calls them names. And you just may be right about him having close to ties to some Mod since he never gets put in his place but anyone who tries to answer him gets posts deleted.

-shrug- Guess the only thing for us sensible people to do is avoid his favored ass like the plague. He makes no sense at all, but if the rest of try to debate we pay the price, not him.






JohnWarren -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/6/2006 10:12:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
Some always seem shocked when the lion devours the lamb ... as if they thought the two would get to know each other, and the lion would come to it's senses.


The bible only promises "the lion shall lie down with the lamb."  It makes no prediction on who will be waking up in the morning.




wytchywoman -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 1:20:36 AM)

Ignore this post. My Master told me to delete it.




cloudboy -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 5:36:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Edited to add : For a while they were shorthanded with mods, so one mod was doing all the moderating. But with a few new mods, that surely means there's some new ways of looking at things. ; }



YES, I see a HUGE difference from a period not long ago.

The bonus of having more MODs and a mod board is that such a system will return parts of the TOS into the grey interpretive areas they are. The TOS is not black and white. Interpreting it necessarily involves a projection of one's values, so with a larger group of Mods in operation, it should take some of the edge off what I would call "bad" moderation. In sum, it will help the Mods see and understand other sides of moderation - deletion issues.

As for Delight Machine, he doesn't get moderated because he's always very polite. I don't think it has much to do with favoritism.





DelightMachine -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 10:57:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Ignore this post. My Master told me to delete it.


I must have a close relationship to her master.

Just like with those Mods.

The whole mods board, in fact.

The conspiracy is wider than wytchywoman thinks.

It actually involves the whole world except for several posters on these boards. We even have a sinister secret weapon that we're using against these posters -- a weapon so immense and nefarious that, unless these posters plug their ears and continue to close their minds to it, will eventually overcome them as well.

It's called reality.
 
MwuuuuuuaaaaaaaHaaHaaaHaaaHaaHA!!!




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 11:10:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Ignore this post. My Master told me to delete it.


I must have a close relationship to her master.

Just like with those Mods.

The whole mods board, in fact.

The conspiracy is wider than wytchywoman thinks.

It actually involves the whole world except for several posters on these boards. We even have a sinister secret weapon that we're using against these posters -- a weapon so immense and nefarious that, unless these posters plug their ears and continue to close their minds to it, will eventually overcome them as well.

It's called reality.
 
MwuuuuuuaaaaaaaHaaHaaaHaaaHaaHA!!!


LOL, funny.

Seriously though the reason some are pulled and others aren't is because he doesn't get personal much, and if he does he doesn't do in a manner that sounds like hopped up bikers.

Maybe that's why? Could be. Obvious from this vantage point.








DelightMachine -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 12:32:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
Lady, you are not the only one who feels that there is blatant favoritism on the behalf of stupidly. I have resigned myself to the fact the ignorance can be educated and stupid is forever. As long as the dog is fed it will continue to piss on your leg. Without restraint through warning or censorship it has become a redundant effort to parlay with such a creature. The apparent freedom of abuse has turned the poser… poster into a fascist sub who, IMO, has made the holder of it’s leash a mockery of the BDSM society. That said I give no weight nor merit to its constant dribble nor value to it’s, LMAO, Domme’s action or word. Furthermore, I offer warning to any new or old members to seek out a mature and sincere mentor for advice and explanation.


To everybody else:

It takes a certain kind of low character to attack and insult a Domme because the attacker doesn't agree with the opinions her submissive is posting on a message board.

It's lower still when the attacker hasn't had the decency to state what he finds objectionable and confront either the sub or the Domme with it. This attacker didn't even do it in general before this post (as far as I recall), and certainly never offered any particulars.

And it's ironic that the attacker then mentions "a redundant effort to parlay" with that person. The attacker's spelling is as bad as his phoney attempt at aping honorable behavior. In times when chivalry was supposed to be an ideal, parleys were meant to be occasions when opposing sides would try to avoid fighting by talking over their differences -- something this attacker has never attempted to do.

parley   
[C] OLD-FASHIONED OR HUMOROUS
a discussion between two groups of people, especially one that is intended to end an argument
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=57642&dict=CALD

And it's just ludicrous for an attacker with such a pathetic idea of honor to post on a thread about teaching honorable behavior to others:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=358788





Wulfchyld -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 1:20:28 PM)

Thank you DM, you have opened your mouth and removed all doubt.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: Torture "widespread" (5/7/2006 1:24:57 PM)

Enough. 

XI




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