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Huntsman joining the hunt? - 1/31/2011 6:57:56 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		I just have to say that I find the President's recent comments on the possibility of Jon Huntsman resigning as Ambassador to China and seeking the White House in 2012 to be very cynical, coming from a man who claims such post-partisan ideals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/ap_on_el_ge/us_obama_huntsman



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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 1/31/2011 9:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he'd be a very good candidate, likely better than any in the crowded GOP field now.  However:

1. One obstacle to Romney is that his Mormon faith doesn't play well in the GOP.  Huntsman will have the same issue.  (The Mormons vote overwhelmingly GOP.  I'm surprised they've taken the GOP's anti-Mormon bias so calmly.)
2. He's got solid foreign policy credentials.  Unfortunately for him, domestic issues will probably be the focus in 2012.
3. It's a sad state of affairs that having worked with Obama will be a serious albatross for him in the primary.  As though being able to work with strange bedfellows is a liability when it's always been how things got done in the USA.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 5:50:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I just have to say that I find the President's recent comments on the possibility of Jon Huntsman resigning as Ambassador to China and seeking the White House in 2012 to be very cynical, coming from a man who claims such post-partisan ideals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/ap_on_el_ge/us_obama_huntsman



You mean this from your article?
quote:

"I'm sure that him having worked so well with me will be a great asset in any Republican primary," Obama said with laughter at the White House last month.


The President may have post partisan ideals but he is able to identify ultra partisan people when they freak out and spend years calling him every name in the book.

Huntsman is beyond a dark horse for 2012. He has virtually no name recognition, no campaign or fundraising staff, is Mormon and is going to be very late to getting started.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 6:00:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think he is beyond a darkhorse at all. I actually heard him give a speech a few years ago and he is way above average in being able to articulate a message. Old ties through the father to the Nixon Administration and old Republican money. The families rags to riches story will play well. Speaks Mandarin and adopted kids from India and China....whats not to like?

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 6:07:55 AM   
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I don't think he is beyond a darkhorse at all. I actually heard him give a speech a few years ago and he is way above average in being able to articulate a message. Old ties through the father to the Nixon Administration and old Republican money. The families rags to riches story will play well. Speaks Mandarin and adopted kids from India and China....whats not to like?

I think fairly well of the guy but the GOP primary voters will not like him for a couple of the reasons you cite.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 6:18:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well both of us sitting here saying he is ok would solidify your thoughts lol

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 6:29:31 AM   
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I don't think he is beyond a darkhorse at all. I actually heard him give a speech a few years ago and he is way above average in being able to articulate a message. Old ties through the father to the Nixon Administration and old Republican money. The families rags to riches story will play well. Speaks Mandarin and adopted kids from India and China....whats not to like?


Well articulated.  In that case, the big knock against him is that he's going to have to go for the exact demographic that Romney has right now - the moderates who aren't worried about him being a Mormon.  In other words, he has to pry those voters from Romney.  Like Huckabee has to fight Palin for the same demographic.

You know, it's kind of sad that we're discussing 2012 prospects only, as though life must be lived within a single election cycle.  If Huntsman can make a big enough name for himself, he could be a viable prospect past 2012.


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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 8:50:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		That would be a long hard road.

I am not sure that some of the posters here really understand how much of the Christian Right views the Mormon religion as a cult.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 8:55:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are right. However, you'd think that with the Texas and Utah roots that he'd have much more to play with than Romney. I am never impressed by republicans but I was him. He speaks of different things than the rest of the party. Looking outward on how we can deal and succeed with the rest of the world. Think the fact he went to the trouble to learn Mandarin and didn't fall back on always English speaks volumes.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 8:56:45 AM   
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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/1/2011 8:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest threat to President Obama's re-election in '12 will be his own job performance, followed immediately by things he really has little sway in, but gets the credit/blame for anyway. If his administration screws up badly enough, Palin could be unbeatable.

This is the guy who blew me away with his '04 DNC speech, now contemptuously joking about how well he has manipulated the very atmosphere he decried.

There are three in the wings for this that I want nothing to do with. Is Huntsman going to be the great moderate candidate, or just another fizzle? If he can shut down a couple of the others along the way, I don't much care.



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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/2/2011 5:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't imagine the Republican party is it is currently constituted allowing either Romney or Huntsman to be nominated. The delegate fights on the local level I would predict is going to be pretty nasty between the tea party and the moderate part of the party. I might be wrong the days of "anointing" someone like George W Bush are over.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/2/2011 6:38:07 AM   
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If his administration screws up badly enough, Palin could be unbeatable.


That screw up would have to be global nuclear holocaust because he leaned on the button while sipping coffee at a public news conference covered by every concievable television organization on earth.

Additionally, it would have to leave Sara Palin as the last person standing on earth.  

Then she would have a better than 50/50 chance of winning.   

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/2/2011 6:42:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Given the outcome of the last election, I'm not going to get hung up on a (blank) being ineligible to win the nomination/Presidency. The first Mormon almost seems like a baby step in comparison.

The questions will be; how much energy did the tea party burn off in the midterm ass-kicking they gave the Democrats, and what lessons will they take from the Angle/O'Donnell campaigns that kept the Republicans in the Senate minority?

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/2/2011 6:47:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I just have to say that I find the President's recent comments on the possibility of Jon Huntsman resigning as Ambassador to China and seeking the White House in 2012 to be very cynical, coming from a man who claims such post-partisan ideals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/ap_on_el_ge/us_obama_huntsman



You mean this from your article?
quote:

"I'm sure that him having worked so well with me will be a great asset in any Republican primary," Obama said with laughter at the White House last month.


The President may have post partisan ideals but he is able to identify ultra partisan people when they freak out and spend years calling him every name in the book.

Huntsman is beyond a dark horse for 2012. He has virtually no name recognition, no campaign or fundraising staff, is Mormon and is going to be very late to getting started.

There has been no greater ultra partisan and opposition derogatory name calling POTUS in history than Obama.

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RE: Huntsman joining the hunt? - 2/2/2011 7:26:11 AM   
DomKen


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Status: offline 		So says RacistJim the birther.

You must have been asleep from Jan 2001 to Jan 2009.

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