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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 7:24:36 AM

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LOL... a dream for someone with a CBT fetish!

*a laugh followed by a shudder*

That's all kinds of disturbing and entirely plausible.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:14:08 AM

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I do note that as yet nobody has responded to Elisabella's post as quoted by me in the opening post.

Okey I'll reply to my own post with a simple question:

Do you consider these cultures, who have an independent history of circumcision with cultural values that have nothing to do with the judeochristian "covenant" to be Jews?

Because that's why I posted all that. It was when you said that you consider any culture that circumcises to be Jews.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:19:04 AM

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There's plenty of others besides the Moslems on that level: the Pharonic Egyptians, for a start, who the Jews and the Moslems both probably learned the habit from...

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:24:44 AM

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I refer you to pahunkboy's post 5 and to my post 7.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:28:56 AM

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Your actual statement that I replied to was:

"I define Jews as populations that for a number of generations have circumcised their male offspring - in a couple of centuries that will include USA Christians. See? Religion does not have anything to do with it."

Which would also include Africans, Pacific Islanders, and Australian aboriginals.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:34:00 AM

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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the other cultural elements that come along with circumcision are more significant in definining Judaism. The mitzvah's just a representation and a permanent reminder of God's covenant with Abraham, is it not? A bit like getting a prince albert to show a Domme that you're serious, if that isn't a hideous dismissive and offensive comparison...

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:37:04 AM

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Indeed, I know that you replied to that my concept definition. However, I did and do not see how your thread derailing post pertains to a clear definition of concept. Which is why I obliged pahunkboy and opened a new thread for you to continue your - by me muchly admired - interest.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:37:08 AM

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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the other cultural elements that come along with circumcision are more significant in definining Judaism. The mitzvah's just a representation and a permanent reminder of God's covenant with Abraham, is it not? A bit like getting a prince albert to show a Domme that you're serious, if that isn't a hideous dismissive and offensive comparison...

Agreed 100% with everything posted here.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:37:26 AM

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Well, vickie did it....look how it worked out for her.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:38:45 AM

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Indeed, I know that you replied to that my concept definition. However, I did and do not see how your thread derailing post pertains to a clear definition of concept. Which is why I obliged pahunkboy and opened a new thread for you to continue your - by me muchly admired - interest.

I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "a clear definition of concept" - it might be a language barrier. Are you asking me what criteria I use to determine if a person is Jewish? Or specifically the difference between Muslims and Jews? Or something else?

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:42:11 AM

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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the other cultural elements that come along with circumcision are more significant in defining Judaism.

My concept definition has nothing to do with Judaism nor - as I argued in the other thread - with religion. It is pertinent only to population genetics and Social Darwinism.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:47:47 AM

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Clearly american six fingered amish are creating an abundance of three toed sloths by having nothing to do with them whatsoever.

Or would it be the other way round in your world?

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:51:28 AM

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I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "a clear definition of concept" - it might be a language barrier.

You quoted the concept yourself in your post 65. Obviously you are confused. My concept of Jew has nothing to do with the concept of a Judaic Jew. It is as simple as that. My concept of Jew is simply named after the prototypical and best known practitioners of the custom.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:54:16 AM

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You quoted the concept yourself in your post 65. Obviously you are confused. My concept of Jew has nothing to do with the concept of a Judaic Jew. It is as simple as that. My concept of Jew is simply named after the prototypical and best known practitioners of the custom.

You're right, I am confused...that's why I asked the question I did. I'll ask again, a simple yes/no will clear it up most likely, with any elaboration after the answer itself.

Do you consider these cultures, who have an independent history of circumcision with cultural values that have nothing to do with the judeochristian "covenant" to be Jews?

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:54:18 AM

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There is that, indeed.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 9:55:58 AM

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What exactly do you not comprehend about my post 64?

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 10:05:41 AM

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All of it.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 10:24:31 AM

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Actually, a mere mortal might. Some special people would have an even better chance. Yet other people simply cannot: they lack the wherewithal. That in itself is not a problem. What is a problem, is that people without (whatever) wherewithal are unable to recognize their lack of wherewithal, and consequently are forever in denial, especially if they have a BIG ego. Narcissists are never able to accept that they have done any wrong or that they fail in some way.

Projecting, much?

I think he has defined his inner self perfectly. Luckily he has the wherewithal to do so ( even if he did refer to Wiki for a concept of "Concept" )

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 10:35:32 AM

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That is unfortunate.

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RE: Circumcision in various populations - 2/4/2011 11:18:47 AM

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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the other cultural elements that come along with circumcision are more significant in defining Judaism.

My concept definition has nothing to do with Judaism nor - as I argued in the other thread - with religion. It is pertinent only to population genetics and Social Darwinism.

In which case, why are you using the term "Jews" to describe this? The last time I checked, that noun had a fairly specific cultural and religious meaning. Possibly you could find some other term to use instead. You'd look less antisemitic, for a start. I know that you have a humpty dumpty thing going on here, and words mean what you say they do, not what the dictionary says, but it'd save a lot of hassle for everybody if you started using definitions other (no doubt vastly inferior) posters might recognise, dig?

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