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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 7:55:08 AM   
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At the risk of getting email be every virgin on the site....


I really enjoy having this role, but then the Teacher Archetype is the face I show the world. I've had the honor with a number of men. One actually wasn't a virgin, but someone who had chosen to be chaste until it meant something (which impressed the hell out of me; he'd been chaste for several years).

Everyone's given lots of advice...I agree with most, especially the tips GreySabor suggested (except the condom thing). Most likely, he's not really going to know how to USE a condom...he needs to be taught that, too. If you're worried about sensation, get the polypropylene ones...they're thinner and transmit heat better. I had a man swear he'd never been able to get off with a condom who loved them ('cause he was able to get off. LOL).

As for if it should be all done up as a special, almost (or outright) ritual kind of thing, or done very casually...ask for his input. It takes two.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 8:12:43 AM   
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Hmmmmm you want to accomplish 2 things here.....1) make it as good for him as you can, and 2) teach him to be a good lover for his future girlfriends.....
basic answer: foreplay.

Teach him how to play with your body, and show him how wonderful it is to have his body played with as well.

Introduce him to the joys of touching and tasting, do a lot of that before you get down to the nitty-gritty and do a lot of it in between (at 22 there should be ample opportunity for several encores ).

Show him the joy that toys can bring a woman, and show him that using them in no way diminishes him as either a man or a lover.

And finally...yes use a condom, if he hasn't fucked he won't realise there is any loss of sensation, so get him used to using them (start good habits early, and all that ). And just imagine how wonderful it will be for him a few years down the road when he finally does go bareback....it will be like his first time all over again

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 8:55:02 AM   
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Don't do the syrup! First, the real taste is the good one. Second, sugar on the vagina can stimulate a yeast infection.

As to his hands, First let him explore, then move his hands to the right places and TALK abotu the right motions. As a man, I can attest that we tend to like direct instructions, and communication with words rather then physical hints. But let the exploring come first.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 9:10:14 AM   
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Again I think all this technique and method stuff is too much too soon.  A first time should be just a first time- go with it.  You can get some of the basics- how to put a condom on, how to position the hips, how to stroke, but leave the rest for later.

Becoming a sex tutor is an awesome thing, but the first day of school is about finding where your homeroom and classes are.  Later is when you get into the lessons and techniques.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 9:59:13 AM   
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The Albatross is quite correct. First time about him, then train him up. (Though I restate that direct communication is the best way to train him up.)

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/3/2006 10:06:07 AM   
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First time about him, then train him up


Bah!!   train the little bugger properly right from the start...why limit his enjoyment of sex at all....take him to bed and blow his fucking mind is what i say...make him amazed at the possibilities. That is what I did the last time I "taught" a virgin...2 days in bed with occaisional breaks to eat, cover every base, cover all the ground....show her just how good it can be so she doesn't settle for a half-assed lover in the future (and know I don't mean to imply that I am all that and more in bed), but anybody who takes the time to do it right can give their partner a damned good time, and to do anything less would be a waste...the guy came to you looking for experience...if all he wanted was to get laid, then there are uncounted girls his age who would be happy to oblige him, he wants more than that obviously, so give it to him.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/4/2006 3:23:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Introduce him to the joys of touching and tasting, do a lot of that before you get down to the nitty-gritty and do a lot of it in between (at 22 there should be ample opportunity for several encores ).

Ah yes, the joys of younger men.  Schwing! Insta-boner-when-the-wind-
blows-the-right-way. 

And finally...yes use a condom, if he hasn't fucked he won't realise there is any loss of sensation, so get him used to using them (start good habits early, and all that ). And just imagine how wonderful it will be for him a few years down the road when he finally does go bareback....it will be like his first time all over again


Yes, get him trained right in the use of condoms from the beginning.
Plus, since they do cut down on sensation, he might last a bit longer.
 
I admire what you are doing merrymasochist.
 
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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/4/2006 4:55:18 AM   
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I should try this with girls that don't know me that well!

"I'm a virgin and I want help to lose it.  Will you sleep with me on Saturday?"

I hope they're as eager as you to jump in the sack!  Thanks for the idea.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/4/2006 5:31:03 AM   
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Dear Everyone,

Thank y'all so much for your advice, ideas and words of wisdom. Saturday's the day and he and I will be talking Friday to finalize our plans. I don't think I'm a nervous basket case anymore like I was when I first posted. Now it's more of a jittery excitement. I want him to be happy as I can make him, and with all the help y'all have given me, I think that's what's going to happen.

MasterFireMaam - Thank you for taking the risk  and for the suggestion about the polypropylene condoms. I've always carried the basic latex kind and hadn't considered the polypropylene ones. If they work as well as you say they do they'll be perfect. As much as I'd like to give him the bare experience, it makes too much sense not to get him used to condoms from the start for I want him to learn how to keep safe as well as how to enjoy and have a good time.

LadyAlbatross  - The very first time -is- going to be all him. I'm expecting that. It's the times afterwards that have had me worried.

Arpig - Experience I got. The how-to's to teach and train I ain't got. Got to remember, I've always been the trainee rather than a trainer, but I'll do my level best to give him a smile a mile wide.

Vendaval - Thank you. I still can't help but feel a bit like I'm going to be corrupting the youth of the land but I hope to make it a kindly corruption.

GreySaber - An especial thanks to you for your honest and forthright replies and answers to my questions. You've helped me see things from his point of view which in turn will help me do better by him. Now I think I'll be able to slide in the how-to's in such a way that it won't interfere with a rollicking good time.

Thank you again everyone. Y'all have helped me so much, by making me think of things through and think about things I hadn't considered in my nervous state. By listening to y'all's thoughts and ideas I've gotten a much better handle on what to do and what not to do, and with the help y'all have given me, I think and hope I'll do what's right to give him the best beginning he could possibly have. I'll try and let y'all know how it goes.

Sincerely,

merry

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 9:52:22 AM   
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Just to add a small p.s. -

Saturday was scrubbed. We've rescheduled for this coming Friday. Another week to dither and worry.
Drat............

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 10:56:13 AM   
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You have a week, ask him what he would like to be a part of his first time.  He's not a sub, so as a vanilla person has every right to have input into what he wants to try his first time.  I don't agree with "forcing" him to do oral on you. 

I might suggest getting some massage oil and asking him to give you a massage.  Then return the favor.  That way both of you get used to each other's bodies without a lot of pressure to perform.  When you massage him begin to rub your body over him as part of the finale. By the time he is laying on his back being rubbed by your body he will most probably be hard.  At that point you can simply slip onto his penis and give him his first sexual experience. Tuck a condom under the pillow, that way as you are ready to begin there is no fumbling around for it.  Just reach up, unwrap it, and give him a big smile as you slip it on him.

I would agree with the not only once thing.  Even if there is nothing there but friendship give him a few times to learn what he is doing and how to please a woman.


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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:10:36 AM   
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Its Sex....

man o man we like to over-think things....   Geeeezzzzzzzz....




notice i did not say "Just Sex". It's always special. Nature will make it special for him.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:18:22 AM   
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 oral sex has nothing to do with being good with your dick. or a good lover. I've had many plenty good lovers and we never did oral sex.

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I have a few suggestions.    

First, Don't make it a one-time thing. Tell him in advance he gets a certain number, or whatever. It's a learning experience, and he's undoubtedly nervous about performance, etc. Tell him he gets to come back a few times for 'improvement.' It’s his first time, so make sure he doesn’t feel like he has to get it ALL right on the first time, and that you’ll build him to at least a basic experience level. Trust me, this will releive a huge amount of performance anxiety in him.

Second, don't just leap into bed. Go out, have a light meal (not heavy candles or anything, Chinese takeout and a skimpy outfit would be fine.) Play footsie under the table, build anticipation.

Third, be on top the first time. This way he doesn't have to learn mechanics of movement on the first go. 

Fourth, Make him go down on you, and when you do use very clear verbal directions. Explain in advance how going down works on a mechanical level, and think about what sort of movements you like in advance so you have the explainations of techniques planned out. Many people don’t pay attention to what is actually being done when they get good oral, and as a result only know when it’s good rather then how to teach what they like, sinc they don't know what they like, they only know when they like it..

Other little things…   If you are willing, you might want to give him a try at all the basics. Obviously vaginal, but also oral and anal. You could teach him to how to do anal without pain, teaching him to apply lube and whatnot. Some men like the idea of having tried each one at least once, and would leave him feeling well rounded.   On say, the third try, you might try some odd stuff, if he’s willing. Say, the finger in the ass trick. 
I’d recommend against condoms with him, if you feel safe doing that. Condoms have a very, VERY, VERY important place in the world, but they do reduce sensation, and it's his first damn time!

Making the first day be mostly about him trying things, and the second day be all about doing them right. (And tell him that in advance, it’ll make him less nervous.)

Do you think that will help?

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:28:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: merrymasochist

Just to add a small p.s. -

Saturday was scrubbed. We've rescheduled for this coming Friday. Another week to dither and worry.
Drat............


Hang in there, merry lol.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:32:48 AM   
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you can still get pregnant while on the pill it's only 98 or 99 percent effective. My friends wife had all her babies while she was on birthcontrol/. And you should teach this newbie that it's never ok to gamble on birthcontrol working. it's be a fine pickle he gets himself into thinking it's ok to rely on birthcontrol to keep his ass safe and then 9 months later have himself a baby to be responcible for.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:33:47 AM   
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a very, VERY, VERY important place in the world, but they do reduce sensation, and it's his first damn time!


Thus why you should use two! It's a damn shame for a trucker to dump his load stright out of the gate. My personal experience with virgins is to sacrifice the first orgasm to foreplay THEN start building up again to real sex he's not as likely to be built up and can live up to his own expectations.

Let him WATCH you masterbate and teach oral from there. Teaching them to be a pleasurable lover is probably the most valuble information they can get. Give him oral in sacrificing that first seed. Relax and discuss what he enjoyed and move on from there.

I agree with the idea of agreeing to multiple encounters but especially with a virgin it's highly likely that he'll try to bond with you. Only you can decide if this is something you want.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:38:08 AM   
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Oh, there's still time to offer a suggestion then. Here's mine:

I'm surprised I haven't heard this so far. I was surprised my first time at how emotional I got afterward with the woman. All sorts of emotions I never expected suddenly came to the fore, and I wondered if I was in love. I wasn't a kid at the time, but an adult. A couple of weeks later I was crushed when she treated me badly.

I'm sure you won't be as bad as that with him, but you might warn him he could be feeling some strange emotions -- feelings of unusual closeness to you, perhaps guilt, perhaps something else. Tell him you don't want him sending you flowers. I'd suggest seeing him for a short repeat within two or three days to maybe take the sharp edges off the experience.

I strongly suspect that he'll become attached to you and want to do this over and over again with you until you become tired of him, but he won't be too hurt by that if you make sure he knows -- through your actions as well as your words, that for you this is not love.

After my first time, I had plenty of one-night stands without emotional ties, and I found they became increasingly unsatisfying. I appear to be in the minority on that, though, especially on this thread, and especially among guys.

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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 11:38:36 AM   
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not every one's genitalia has a good taste. just because you're a fan of pussy doesn't mean every other guy down the road will like or want to taste a pussy. I've tasted a few less than tasty pussies.  One of the girls was a virgin clean tookk good care of herself and smelled anyway.

The sugar in the vagina thing is true though.  I know myself certainly would have a yeast infection the moment I put any food stuff down there.

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Don't do the syrup! First, the real taste is the good one. Second, sugar on the vagina can stimulate a yeast infection.

As to his hands, First let him explore, then move his hands to the right places and TALK abotu the right motions. As a man, I can attest that we tend to like direct instructions, and communication with words rather then physical hints. But let the exploring come first.


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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 2:20:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion
oral sex has nothing to do with being good with your dick. or a good lover. I've had many plenty good lovers and we never did oral sex.


True, but I suspect most of us would argue it's an important part of the bedroom skillset.



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RE: Virgin Dilemma - 5/7/2006 5:32:05 PM   
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CanadianGuy - I've known him for three years. If a stranger used that approach on me I'd politely tell them thank-you-no-thank-you. Good luck trying it though.

sharainks - I have asked him to not much avail. I think right now he's more concerned that I be there rather than to think of anything else just yet. I'm not planning on "forcing" him to do anything. I figure as things progress, I'll offer and let curiosity take over.


DelightMachine - You've just addressed another one of my big worries. He and I have talked about it a bit, how this isn't going to be an affair of the heart as he's only 22 with his life ahead of him and I'm 38. It's not an ageist thing but rather a matter of the places he and I are in our lives. Yes, I'm predicting into the unknown but he's going to fall in love, get married and be one fantastic father. I see that in him. I've already explained to him I've gone down the marriage road, reared my kids and I'm enjoying the stage of life to do as I please on my own terms. But as you have pointed out, emotions can surface and take one by surprise. Do you have any suggestions on how to gently avoid this? I don't want to cause him any heartache but I don't want to be cold and hurt him that way either. What can I do to keep things on a fondly affectionate and friendly level?

theRose4U - I thought about that but he's so anxious right now. Making him wait or trying to stop him just seems cruel to me. Better to let him run with what he knows with me doing subtle guidance to get the "first time" out of the way. That way he can relax and learn to enjoy the rest without the first-time pressure. As I told DelightMachine above, we are at two very different points in our lives and any suggestions you might have to keep him from bonding in a serious way would be most helpful.

FelinePursuasion - I've always figured liking pussy is more of an acquired taste, hence my idea for a bit of other flavoring for a first time, however, I don't want a visit from the yeastie-boys either. I'm rethinking to introduce it after we've both had a shower and are squeaky clean and see how things go from there.

GreySaber - I agree with you. Firstly one never knows until they try, secondly it's a good skill to have at least have some idea about, and thirdly, even if it turns out not to be his favorite thing, as a woman, I've always held if a gent wishes me to go down on him, return of the same pleasure is always good etiquette. If he absolutely hates it, well then I guess I better make sure he has the hand skills to cover for it.

Level - ~mock glare~ That's easy for you to say!

Thank you everyone and if anyone has any answers to the questions I've posed in this post, thoughts and ideas would be most welcome.

Sincerely,

merry

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