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Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 11:36:56 AM)
If you followed me through my day and my life, you'd see daily, day in and out, I eat very very little, because I am either not hungry or I am litterally starving, but I don't care to get up and fix something because I am to lazy to, or I feel apathy towards the hunger and don't care to address it. when I do eat it's either all junk, like tv dinners, nutritious but since I am starving an it's the only meal I will be getting that day I stuff myself, or just barely enough so I can have that ok phew I ate sensation an stop "dying" for a meal. We eat out way more than we need to based on convenience and taste, but I think I could cut that off tomorow, or least reduce it to no more than once a month, if I wanted to and worked hard on it. But there's the jist of it, the food is a lure and I am a fish, I don't at the time want to resist the lure of the food bobbing there just in front of me. I want to, and need to , for myself, learn to ignore the lure, of easy tasty food I didn't have to do shit to fix, just walked in an sat down. When I do cook, I don't know what to pare with what to be nutritious and filling and compliment the other. I will chose something being entirely unaware of it's nutritional value, for fuel the body needs, vs just sticking something in your gut. Then why am I so fat, eat only once a day if not that somedays? Because I do absolutely nothing. No excercise no cardio no movement to burn what I eat, no nothing. I sit in bed all day and watch tv, or sit on the computer. That is my entire life, except when Daddy and I go to therapy. I bet, even if I did eat healthy and with proper nutrition in mind I still wouldn't loose weight, I don't think you can loose what you're not burning. I don't know. I don't have any alcholics in my life, or have any knowledge of statistics of Alchoholics. Probably a lot. I do believe, and I could be wrong, weight watchers has two programs, one where you cook all your food at home using points, or one where they supply the food an you pay for it, and it's mirowavable stuff? I think they have points or non points eating to. quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I do over eat now and then and I binge now and then, so I am not denying that, It's just rare, and it is something I can and do control, I also don't know jack shit about nutrition an food and how to feed myself properly. I am also lazy and I love my food. This is probably going to offend you but i am going to say it anyway. If you could control your caloric intake, and only overeat every once in awhile, you would not have such issues with obesity and pre-diabetes. Just because you "binge" on the rare occasion does not mean you are in/have control over your obsession with food. Quite the contrary...i would say that food has control over you. quote: but it's not a problem in my mind like I said, unless you do it all the time, or can't control it. How many alcoholics have used this very premise when confronted with the suggestion of getting help? quote: If I need , want, or would benifit from the help of a support group, to teach me about nutrition and how to feed my body the fuel it needs to run efficiently instead of just putting food in my mouth, then I do, and I should seek help for myself, in learning to feed my body in a nutritious manner, putting the fork down" doesn't deal with the issues behind the food misuse and general mistreatment of food / yourself. And here ya go. Does this not directly contradict your earlier statement where you said you did not really have a problem, and it is something you can control? quote: I was actually thinking about weight watchers, not the food part, because I think I'd rather learn to cook and enjoy it, but if they'd teach us about portion size and what a carb is and what a complex card is, and how to structure our meals and plan our meals and stuff like that, and having a support group, and a outlet for learning this stuff in, then they'd be mighty handy. I think Weight Watchers is a fantastic program. I do not know what you mean by "not the food part" unless you are under the assumption that pre-packaged food is necessary? It is not. It is about education and support. In whatever direction you choose to go, the bottom line is you are going to have to toss laziness and denial out the window. If you want a program to work, you are going to have to work the program. ~FR~

angelikaJ -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 12:30:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom If you followed me through my day and my life, you'd see daily, day in and out, I eat very very little, because I am either not hungry or I am litterally starving, but I don't care to get up and fix something because I am to lazy to, or I feel apathy towards the hunger and don't care to address it. when I do eat it's either all junk, like tv dinners, nutritious but since I am starving an it's the only meal I will be getting that day I stuff myself, or just barely enough so I can have that ok phew I ate sensation an stop "dying" for a meal. We eat out way more than we need to based on convenience and taste, but I think I could cut that off tomorow, or least reduce it to no more than once a month, if I wanted to and worked hard on it. But there's the jist of it, the food is a lure and I am a fish, I don't at the time want to resist the lure of the food bobbing there just in front of me. I want to, and need to , for myself, learn to ignore the lure, of easy tasty food I didn't have to do shit to fix, just walked in an sat down. When I do cook, I don't know what to pare with what to be nutritious and filling and compliment the other. I will chose something being entirely unaware of it's nutritional value, for fuel the body needs, vs just sticking something in your gut. Then why am I so fat, eat only once a day if not that somedays? Because I do absolutely nothing. No excercise no cardio no movement to burn what I eat, no nothing. I sit in bed all day and watch tv, or sit on the computer. That is my entire life, except when Daddy and I go to therapy. I bet, even if I did eat healthy and with proper nutrition in mind I still wouldn't loose weight, I don't think you can loose what you're not burning. I don't know. I don't have any alcholics in my life, or have any knowledge of statistics of Alchoholics. Probably a lot. I do believe, and I could be wrong, weight watchers has two programs, one where you cook all your food at home using points, or one where they supply the food an you pay for it, and it's mirowavable stuff? I think they have points or non points eating to. 1) When you don't eat your body tends to tell itself you are starving. That is why quite often people who eat 3-4 small meals and 2 small snacks lose weight more easily than people who eat less calories once a day all at one sitting. 2) Unless you are actually keeping a food diary it is very easy to underestimate how much you are taking in especially since you don't have an idea of what an appropriate portion is. For example: if you were going to eat Cherios for breakfast a serving of Cherios is only 1 cup. That means you take a dry measuring cup and measure it out. Then you add your 1/2 cup of milk, preferably skim. A serving of cereal is never a whole bowl. Each cereal has it's own portion size. 3) See the highlighted part above. We are made to move. Why would you choose to live such a sedentary life? You live in an area of the country where on most days you could walk. Even sweeping or yardwork burns calories. Housework burns calories. Could you help out at your parents or walk a neighbor's dog for them? And why not care enough about yourself to fix yourself something to eat, so you aren't starving? If laziness is so pervasive that it is impacting your ability to take care of yourself then maybe you should think about seeing your own therapist and working on what ever issues it is that are keeping you so unmotivated.

maybemaybenot -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 1:11:48 PM)
Weight Watchers does not have food you can buy like Nutri System. They do have frozen dinners at the grocery store, Smart Ones, but they don't reccomend you eat them exclusively. They want you to learn how to cook prepare and meal plan. Eating one meal a day is not healthy. You are tricking your body into thinking it is starving and the body naturally will hold onto fat. To give you an idea of what a healthy diet is and how much food you have to eat to fuel your body correctly: Bkfst: 1 Cup non sugar cereal 1/2 Cup skim milk or 2% milk 1Cup of melon 1Cup V8 or tomato juice mid morning snack- one lowfat yogurt Lunch: 2 slices bread 1 tsp mayo 2 oz sliced chicken w/lettuce, tomato 1Cup sliced cucumbers, plain or with non fat dressing 1 piece of fruit or 1/2C fruit juice Afternoon snack- 3 ginger snaps Dinner: 4 oz of beef, chicken, fish broiled, baked or grilled 1 cup rice 1Cup green beans 1Cup carrots 1 piece of fruit evening snack - 3 Cups popcorn < air popped > and 1/2 Cup low fat frozen yogurt That is approxinmately 1600 calories, and I suspect your Diabetes person would want you on an 1800 calorie diet so ther is even more to add. I gave you a simple, basic meal plan for one day, not what you would eat every day. You need to measure your food, as you don't know your portions. After a period of time, you learn to know your portion by eyeballing it, but it takes alot of time and practice. And you are just going to have to suck it up and get out of bed or off your duff and move your body for an hour or so a day. I think it's very sad that all you do is sit in bed and watch TV or play on the computer all day. Getting out and moving around will not only help your body, but help your mental health. The choices you are making are destructive. I guess my question to you is : Are you willing to make radical changes in your life ? Are you going to stick to your plan even if Daddy doesn't participate ? You can't go into this half assed. That's setting yourself up for failure. You and Daddy can't be each others support, because both of you are " broken ". You need outside support. Be that WW or OA. If you are not commited to changing, everything everyone here has said to you is a waste of bandwidth. I'm not trying to be mean, but I see alot of excuses, explanations and justifications for just continuing as you are and looking for a magic trick. mbmbn ETA: if you have nothing better to do than sit and lay in bed watching TV and using the computer, then taking a few hours of that day to plan cook your meals isn't a whole lot. And eat at the table, not in bed. Set a pretty table, use dishes, flatware and glassware, not paper plates and utensils. That will cause you to move around a bit. Make meal time enjoyable, not just another thing you do while laying or sitting in bed.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 1:20:29 PM)
No. There's not really a whole lot as far as gyms or programs near us, there's 2 gyms, used to be 3 but curves closed and moved from the location they were in and as far as pools for the community close by there's only 1. The other one is clear down where I go for pychiatric meds check ins There is one planetfitness.com it's 8 miles away and it's reasonable, and you get 4 pt free a month. I'll also walk here at home. around the block an stuff.. quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Is there a YMCA near you? They have scholarships. My Y has a Women on Weights workshop where 6 (small) group sessions with a trainer were really cheap, under $100 IIRC. YMCA trainers also cost less in general and scholarships may apply to sessions as well. You can also exercise for free. - Do you have stairs at home? Go up and down. - Walk around the mall if your sidewalks are snowed in, but I think you're in San Francisco so that shouldn't be an issue. - Do what you can and add a little each week. Then your only investment is a good pair of shoes if you don't already have.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 1:58:26 PM)
I am going to try, Daddy is on board in theory of helping me but he's a lazy person too, and like his junk more than I do, I think if I sat down and wrote out all the things he likes to eat, like a drum stick ice cream and then a can of coke and all at midnight , you guys woulld be flabberghasted , blown away, and , then probably not surprised. and he enables to to do poorly for myself, I'm starting to address the food and exercise and apathy towards taking care of myself thing in therapy, And I am aware it's gonna be hard, and I am aware, that I am going to have to prepair my own foods if my moms not on board with cooking things I can and should eat, since she does all the cooking. I have already told her, if a meal's not something I should be eating I am going to have to decline eating it, and it's not to be rude, it's because it's stuff I'm not supposed to be having right now. like when she makes heaping plates of spagettie with canned spagettie sauce, and meat balls drowned in oil with a huge greasy side of home made garlic bread and that's the entire meal. The lady I am working with, doesn't want me having pasta and sugary sauces, nor breads, right now. Eventually I can, and it really should be whole wheat bread and pasta, ezekial bread is a good bread but spensive, but right now, not so much. And that's gonna be so hard because honestly, I LOVE that all I have to do to eat something tasty is be called to the table and sit down. The dietician at kiaser for diabeties doesn't want me having juices at all, not even in 1/2 cup servings, because there's way to much sugar even in all natural juice and way to many carbs. I will probably have juice as a very very rare treat, but I cut out any and all fruit juices years ago and was happy not having fruit juices, didn't miss them at all, until I started thinking weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I can have it now and then and started keeping it around. I know V8 has tons of sodium in it, and I don't know if the lesser soduim brands are ok or not, but I could always ask and I know it was just an example, not saying I need to drink it or nothing. quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot To give you an idea of what a healthy diet is and how much food you have to eat to fuel your body correctly: 1Cup V8 or tomato juice mid morning snack- one lowfat yogurt Lunch: . And you are just going to have to suck it up and get out of bed or off your duff and move your body for an hour or so a day. I think it's very sad that all you do is sit in bed and watch TV or play on the computer all day. Getting out and moving around will not only help your body, but help your mental health. The choices you are making are destructive. I guess my question to you is : Are you willing to make radical changes in your life ? Are you going to stick to your plan even if Daddy doesn't participate ? You can't go into this half assed. That's setting yourself up for failure. You and Daddy can't be each others support, because both of you are " broken ". You need outside support. Be that WW or OA. If you are not commited to changing, everything everyone here has said to you is a waste of bandwidth. I'm not trying to be mean, but I see alot of excuses, explanations and justifications for just continuing as you are and looking for a magic trick. mbmbn ETA: if you have nothing better to do than sit and lay in bed watching TV and using the computer, then taking a few hours of that day to plan cook your meals isn't a whole lot. And eat at the table, not in bed. Set a pretty table, use dishes, flatware and glassware, not paper plates and utensils. That will cause you to move around a bit. Make meal time enjoyable, not just another thing you do while laying or sitting in bed.

soul2share -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 2:18:01 PM)
I can't help but think while reading the posts here that it's quite possible that you don't yet want to eat healthy or exercise, TFB. You are rationalizing the comments you make, and the responses that you get from everyone here. It seems like you have an excuse for everything to prevent you from improving your own health. It's not my intent to be mean, but it does seem to be a common thread in your responses. What should it matter if your daddy doesn't want to get up and move? Do it yourself. Get out of bed when you wake up and DON'T go back until it's time for bed. Turn off that TV and get outside. Don't rely on him to make you start doing better, as he's obviously not going to do it either. Maybe if he sees you making some sort of effort, he might get up and move himself. Get away from those processed tv dinners and learn to budget your food spending to be able to get good food...it can be done, people do it everyday. Learn to cook.....or help your mother do it. How healthy are your parents? Diabetes is hereditary, which means you got it from someone. Are they morbidly obese, as you are? Then get them involved in your attempts to eat better and take care of yourself.....they can only benefit from it! My dad is an insulin dependent diabetic, and he eats pretty much everything he wants, my mom just made some adjustments to the food she serves. Heck, she lost 20 lbs just eating the same foods my dad does. He eats pasta, bread, bagels, fruits......he even indulges in ice cream and the occasional sweet. It actually sounds like you may suffer from depression or something...the apathy, not getting involved in activities, spending all your time in bed......there are medications that can also help. Ultimately, it's like others have said.....until you are ready to actually TAKE the steps to improve your health and welfare, there is nothing anyone is going to say that will change your mind. I only hope that you find the strength or reason to do so.

Aylee -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 2:24:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom And I am aware it's gonna be hard, and I am aware, that I am going to have to prepair my own foods if my moms not on board with cooking things I can and should eat, since she does all the cooking. Take over the kitchen. Make the menus Do the shopping Make the meals Do the clean-up This will get both you and your Daddy eating healthy meals as well as your parents. This will also get you up and moving around every day. Your mom or dad can either give you the food budget money, have you stop paying rent, or come to the store with you and pay for the food. There are a metric ton of food threads on here. Coming up with healthy menus and recipes should not be a problem. Many of us have cookbooks and such galore. I recently did an "Eating your veggies" thread in which several easy and tasty ways to prepare veggies was discussed. For instance tonight's dinner is going to be a curried mango and carrot soup. Tasty AND healthy. I know that you have been given a gazillion tips and tricks for eating healthier food and snacks. What it comes down to is that YOU have to decide that it is what you want to do. You can discuss it until the cows come home or Holly makes an edible meatloaf, but until you actually decide that this is what YOU want, nothing is going to happen. Oh, I joined Weight Watchers when I was in 5th grade. 1986. I know what it is like to be eating different food from everyone else. Somewhere I still have my "gold key." I have no idea if they still give those out or not.

hausboy -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 2:36:47 PM)
TFB-- I will send a link (via CM) to a friend of mine's webpage. She is a close, personal friend--I've known her a long time, and she was always fat. She was 5'4", and over 270 lbs. She was in her mid 40's, and because of her weight, developed a lot of serious health problems. She is self-employed, so she didn't have the funds to buy "special" food or join a gym right away. She started by developing a nutritional plan--not a diet-- a healthy food plan she could live on daily, and enjoy it as well-- and she started just by trying to walk around the block. That's it. That's how she started. Each day, she walked a little more. She made sure that the foods not in her plan, weren't in her house. When she had the means, she joined a low cost gym and did just 10 minutes on the treadmill to start. It's been two years. She is now 130 lbs. No meds. Her blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol are now all normal. She has the energy of twenty people, is fit enough to exercise daily and rigorously, and she still enjoys food--just in moderation. She does have a professional counselor as well, and had a personal trainer design her workouts. She was just like any average person out there. Nothing special--no special equipment, no money. She did it-- and I know you can too!

DesFIP -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 2:53:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella To clarify, I wasn't talking about treatment in addition to the 12 steps, but treatment instead of the 12 steps. There ought to be a better way than a 12 step program to deal with alcoholism, gambling addiction, drug addiction. You're right, there ought to be. But there isn't. 12 step groups have the highest success rate over any other treatment program. And that's the bottom line, it works far more often that anything else. Churchill said something much the same about democracy, that it is far from the best possible government, but it is the best form of government we have ever developed.

angelikaJ -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 3:27:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I am going to try, Daddy is on board in theory of helping me but he's a lazy person too, and like his junk more than I do, I think if I sat down and wrote out all the things he likes to eat, like a drum stick ice cream and then a can of coke and all at midnight , you guys woulld be flabberghasted , blown away, and , then probably not surprised. and he enables to to do poorly for myself, I'm starting to address the food and exercise and apathy towards taking care of myself thing in therapy, And I am aware it's gonna be hard, and I am aware, that I am going to have to prepair my own foods if my moms not on board with cooking things I can and should eat, since she does all the cooking. I have already told her, if a meal's not something I should be eating I am going to have to decline eating it, and it's not to be rude, it's because it's stuff I'm not supposed to be having right now. like when she makes heaping plates of spagettie with canned spagettie sauce, and meat balls drowned in oil with a huge greasy side of home made garlic bread and that's the entire meal. The lady I am working with, doesn't want me having pasta and sugary sauces, nor breads, right now. Eventually I can, and it really should be whole wheat bread and pasta, ezekial bread is a good bread but spensive, but right now, not so much. And that's gonna be so hard because honestly, I LOVE that all I have to do to eat something tasty is be called to the table and sit down. The dietician at kiaser for diabeties doesn't want me having juices at all, not even in 1/2 cup servings, because there's way to much sugar even in all natural juice and way to many carbs. I will probably have juice as a very very rare treat, but I cut out any and all fruit juices years ago and was happy not having fruit juices, didn't miss them at all, until I started thinking weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I can have it now and then and started keeping it around. I know V8 has tons of sodium in it, and I don't know if the lesser soduim brands are ok or not, but I could always ask and I know it was just an example, not saying I need to drink it or nothing Do you know that it is not difficult to make good tasting spaghetti sauce from scratch? Barilla makes 2 different types of pasta: Whole grain and they also have their Plus line of products. Both are pretty good. There are many whole grain, high fiber breads out there that are reasonably priced. You do not need to spend the money on Ezekiel bread. There are low sodium V-8 and tomato juices. The thing is you need to learn to read labels and you need to learn portion control. What is one serving of pasta? One serving of meat? Learning to read labels is not difficult. Like most new skills, it just takes practice. It would be sad if your daddy continues to choose to eat unhealthily. I am not sure though he understands the cost of not eating right. You do. It would be sadder if you decided your wellbeing was dependent on what the people around you were doing or based upon the comfortability of laziness.

NuevaVida -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 4:22:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Ditto what NuevaVida said, Weight Watchers has TONS of recipes and cookbooks available. TONS!!! lol They encourage till the cows come home making healthy eating a lifestyle, not thinking of it as "dieting". They show you how you can eat out, party foods, comfort foods, snacks, whatever you want. This is very true. There's even a cookbook of recipes that have no more than 5 ingredients, for those who don't cook. Also, check out www.HungryGirl.com. Fabulous cookbooks, and great website/philosophies. Get on her email list and get regular updates on what foods you can easily substitute for what. You're eating only once a day, but WHAT you are eating doesn't make that OK (hey that rhymes!). Especially if you eat out - most restaurant foods have more hidden fats and sugars than you should eat in a day of three meals. Trust me, I've learned this a million times over in WW. You think that grilled chicken is healthy? It's likely marinated in a butter and/or oil based marinade before cooking. You think the rice is healthy? That probably has a ton of butter in the cooking process, too. That's how restaurants get their food to taste so good. [;)] If you're going to order out, ask for "no added fats" and only eat half of what's on your plate. And for goodness' sake, eat more than once a day. The problem with starving yourself during the day is that when you DO finally eat, you tend to eat WAY more than is good for you. It's a vicious cycle, and does you no good. I have small snacks all day - a really light breakfast, fruit in the mid morning, a decent sized dinner, maybe a hard boiled egg late in the afternoon, and a really light dinner. Also, the more whole/natural foods you eat, the more apt you are to lose.

NuevaVida -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 4:25:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I do believe, and I could be wrong, weight watchers has two programs, one where you cook all your food at home using points, or one where they supply the food an you pay for it, and it's mirowavable stuff? I think they have points or non points eating to. They have points values on some foods (Smart Ones, Skinny Cow ice cream, etc.) and sell snacks at the meetings. But it's all a points system, and they do not supply the food. You might be thinking Nutrisystem. WW teaches you how to eat and how to look at food in a healthier way. But I'm a firm believer that you have to really mentally be ready and WANT to lose before you can actually lose. I'm a firm believer that food / weight issues are about emotional issues first, and then physical.

maybemaybenot -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 4:32:10 PM)
The following are examaple of what I meant when I said you are finding things to not change your ways. And I am going to scold you like a child. quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I know V8 has tons of sodium in it, and I don't know if the lesser soduim brands are ok or not, but I could always ask and I know it was just an example, not saying I need to drink it or nothing. quote: How much sodium do your Hot pockets and TV dinners have in them ? You don't seem to question or have a problem with a nasty, unhealthy food product that is loaded with sodium, yet a healthy drink you have concerns about. V8 has about 400 mg per cup. That's about 20% of sodium in a typical healthy diet. So, no it is not loaded with sodium if consumed in the right quantity. Besides it is a healthy drink. Sodium is the least of your issue at the moment. Unless I am mistaken and you have cardiac or kidney problems. I am a kidney patient and I am allowed my V8 juice as long as I factor the sodium into my daily intake. My diet is very similar to a diabetic diet. quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I have already told her, if a meal's not something I should be eating I am going to have to decline eating it, and it's not to be rude, it's because it's stuff I'm not supposed to be having right now. This problem is not your Mothers. It's yours. You need to own it. So what if Mom makes an unhealthy meal ? You can still make a meal of your own. It's not Mom's responsibilty, nor Daddy's nor anyone elses to make you the proper meals and spoon feed you into healthiness. It's your responsibility. quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom The lady I am working with, doesn't want me having pasta and sugary sauces, nor breads, right now. Eventually I can, and it really should be whole wheat bread and pasta, ezekial bread is a good bread but spensive, but right now, not so much. The dietician at kiaser for diabeties doesn't want me having juices at all, not even in 1/2 cup servings, because there's way to much sugar even in all natural juice and way to many carbs. I I really think you didn't understand the woman. Pasta is no different than a potato or rice or bread. Ans diabetics NEED carbs. In the right quantity. They make fruit juices with no added sugar. Drinking a 1/2 cup of no sugar added fruit juice is no different in sugar and carb intake than eating the actual fruit. Altho the whole fruit has more benefits in general. I find it difficult to believe they are telling you that you may not have any bread. A piece of whole grain bread is healthier than a serving of mashed potatoes, even tho the carb content and calories are the same. If that's what they said, then that's what they said. But make sure you heard them right. Diabetes runs rampant in my family and I have taught my relatives diabetic diets, even made their meal plans for them, in the beginning. I had them run it by their MDs or dieticians and never once did they tell them they couldn't have bread, pasta, juice or the other things they are telling you. Altho, they like you to drink fruit juice less frequently than eating real fruit. mbmbn

angelikaJ -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:28:32 PM)
Tfb, It also sounds like your pre-diabetes has gotten more severe if the dietician is telling you to curb your carbs?

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:41:48 PM)
I don't see them as excuses, I see it as explaining honest truth of the why's and how's of the situation. I need Daddies moral support, and I can do some of it by myself, but if he's not going to help me cook and help me buy the healthy stuff we need and get on board with not buying me junk like an entire carton of ice cream I didn't ask for, but he wanted to be sweet and get it, I am going to have a very hard time of things. With out Daddy supporting this, I have no support,I have nobody in my corner backing me up saying you can do it go go go I am rooting for you, unless you count the lovely people here who've rooted for me in the past and still do. A burden shared is a burden lightened. My dad is very unhealthy in the fact he's not getting enough food to eat, and not eating enough protien and he works hard, he's very skinny and he's frankly wasting away. You can feel just about every rib and every knodual on my dad's spine. I am adopted, so they're not mirror to me genetically or nothing, But diabeties does run in her family, 2 of her siblings are diabetic, one almost had his damn leg amputated becase Ray won't follow proper diabetic eating structures. My mom swears there's no signs of diabeties in her, I really doubt that actually,because with all the junk an sugar she eats and the fact she won't walk more than the bare minimum needed to get from the car to inside a shop and back to a car, and she does absolutely no exercise of any other sort, she's got to have high sugar.My moms over weight, probably weighs about 200 pounds, I'm not sure but I know it's more than the 135 she should weight, unhealthy as hell , eats almost nothing but junk, ,refuses to walk or excercise at all, drinks nothing but juice and coffe, or milk when she drinks anything at all, lies to her dr's about how much junk she consumes, and has been that way as far back as when I was 10. I am 28 now. She's suffers from high blood sugar high cholesteral, arthritus, can't hardly walk any more, needs a cane to get around, and has an inflamed bursa in her hip. she wouldn't know wholesome nutritional balanced meals if one walked up and introduced itself. She drowns everything that needs oil in oil or butter, she sauces it up or cooks it in wine, which has tons of sugar, and her idea of a decent breakfast is a huge bakery pastrey, that's 99 percent croissant, and the rest jam in the middle, and coffe. Lady N asked me to try to get my mom on board with eating right and proportioned meals and stuff and I tried talking to my mom, she used to cook for my grandma, who was diabetic , she wouldn't of dreamed of feeding grandma the way she feeds us, she'd kill grandma in a week. So the meals were something diabetics could have, and my mom had gotten my grandma, who'd came to her at like 300 pounds and severely diabetic, almost off her insulin, and down to 136. So I know my mom knows what's appropriate and not for a diabetic, and my mom was like well my meals are healthy........... but they're not, one meal, the entire meal consisted of mac and cheese, that was it. she thought it was healthy because she used a whole wheat noodle, and it was home made and not from a box. But pasta, and nothing else is not a healthy meal for someone she knows is prediabetic, she just refuses to take my dietary needs into consideration when she cooks. Which is kind of silly, because she'll take the fact I don't eat fish into consideration and when she makes fish for my dad and her, she makes me something else, and I feel that's kind of ass backwards, , specially since she's always harping on me about you're gonna be in a wheel chair if you don't change your ways, you're gonna be so fat you're not gonna be able to do anything but waddle you keep it up. you keep it up and you're gonna be 500 pounds in no time, ect ect, and she doesn't say it out of kindness, she says it out of malicious intent. She's always rode me even when I was a little girl and skinny, she thought it was cute to sing fatty fatty 2x4 couldn't get in the kitchen door, and at 10 she wanted me wearing those old lady girdle tummy control top panties, and taking Dexitrim, because she was very concerned aboutme looking more slender than I already did. At 10 I was your average normal healthy child, who didn't need control top girdle panties, nor did I need no damned Dexitrin. quote: ORIGINAL: soul2share I can't help but think while reading the posts here that it's quite possible that you don't yet want to eat healthy or exercise, TFB. You are rationalizing the comments you make, and the responses that you get from everyone here. It seems like you have an excuse for everything to prevent you from improving your own health. It's not my intent to be mean, but it does seem to be a common thread in your responses. What should it matter if your daddy doesn't want to get up and move? Do it yourself. Get out of bed when you wake up and DON'T go back until it's time for bed. Turn off that TV and get outside. Don't rely on him to make you start doing better, as he's obviously not going to do it either. Maybe if he sees you making some sort of effort, he might get up and move himself. How healthy are your parents? Diabetes is hereditary, which means you got it from someone. Are they morbidly obese, as you are? Then get them involved in your attempts to eat better and take care of yourself.....they can only benefit from it! My dad is an insulin dependent diabetic, and he eats pretty much everything he wants, my mom just made some adjustments to the food she serves. Heck, she lost 20 lbs just eating the same foods my dad does. He eats pasta, bread, bagels, fruits......he even indulges in ice cream and the occasional sweet. It actually sounds like you may suffer from depression or something...the apathy, not getting involved in activities, spending all your time in bed......there are medications that can also help. Ultimately, it's like others have said.....until you are ready to actually TAKE the steps to improve your health and welfare, there is nothing anyone is going to say that will change your mind. I only hope that you find the strength or reason to do so.

Elisabella -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:47:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella To clarify, I wasn't talking about treatment in addition to the 12 steps, but treatment instead of the 12 steps. There ought to be a better way than a 12 step program to deal with alcoholism, gambling addiction, drug addiction. You're right, there ought to be. But there isn't. 12 step groups have the highest success rate over any other treatment program. And that's the bottom line, it works far more often that anything else. Churchill said something much the same about democracy, that it is far from the best possible government, but it is the best form of government we have ever developed. As I said in my first post, I don't deny that it works. That doesn't mean I agree with the methods used. This more or less sums up how I feel: http://www.non12step-drugrehabs.org/non12step-rehab-advantages.html "A non-12 step drug rehab program does not believe that the addict has a disease and is powerless. The exact opposite is true, and is demonstrated with amazing results. [...] Non 12-step drug rehab and alcohol rehab programs gives a person the tools to rebuild their self-esteem and confidence. In addition to holistic drug rehab, most of these facilities provide individualized counseling and therapy to uncover the core issues of why the person uses drugs and alcohol, and then is taught life skills to increase their control and responsibility. The result is a person liberated from the mental issues that caused the desire to use drugs and the physical cravings that once haunted them. With non 12 step rehabs, one can truly be released from being labeled an addict and cured of the problem and making it a thing of the past. This is becoming the new norm in recovery and is evidenced every day by people living their lives without fear of relapsing to drugs and alcohol."

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:49:04 PM)
haus I wasn't always fat, up until I was mid 16's I was skinny, and pretty and vibrant and so full of life. Once I was 17 , I was clear up to 220 pounds and a size 22, due to lifestyle changes in those two years. It's what makes it so hard, i did it to myself and I didn't see the car coming down the road at 100 miles an hour, and I actually meant well and was trying to help others by eating their dinners so they wouldn't be in trouble, and I was only hurting myself. It's been about 12 years since I knew what it was like to be thin and healthy and active and not this big blob I've become. It's been so long I have forgotten what it was like, I can;t imagain being a size 16 any more, I have gotten so comfortable being fat and blobby. And that's sad, very very sad, and it make me cry when I think on it. quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy TFB-- I will send a link (via CM) to a friend of mine's webpage. She is a close, personal friend--I've known her a long time, and she was always fat.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:54:41 PM)
Daddy knows. He's just ok with destroying himself because he feels he's not worth careing about and since he's not worth careing about he's not worth being healthy. He's ok with* and thankfully it's slowly changing* an entire package of 30 cookies and downing a can of soda. Or having two poptarts and a coke, or an entire drumstick ice cream cone an a soda at midnight. I tell him it's to late for Soda daddy, it's 11:30 have water, an he says no water is yucky, it's plain and it's boreing I want my soda. I try so hard to get through his thick lil skull about health, and i tried to get him to test his blood sugar, and he said no, he was afraid of needles, no way was he poking himself with one on purpose. I get mad, and sad, and frusterated, because if I get healthy and loose weight and get myself on a path to well being and he don't I will leave him beind, and I will out grow him, and I love him to much to want to out grow him because I chose to climb out of the mire and muck and junk food an he didn't. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ It would be sad if your daddy continues to choose to eat unhealthily. I am not sure though he understands the cost of not eating right. You do. It would be sadder if you decided your wellbeing was dependent on what the people around you were doing or based upon the comfortability of laziness.

Elisabella -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:56:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The funny (and by funny I mean sad) thing is that I've seen people freaking out that if they don't go to their scheduled meeting, they'll relapse...and the only trigger for that relapse would be missing a meeting. I have seen people replace drug addiction with meeting addiction in ways that were destructive to their family and homelife. To me, seriously following the AA program (as opposed to just going to meetings) encourages co-dependency. I find this funny. Arent they already co-dependent on something? That's what I find disturbing about teaching addicts that they are "powerless over their addiction" and telling them they will "always be an addict" which is at the core of the 12-step programs. There is a void that is being filled by addiction. Instead of healing the void, 12-step programs simply fill it with something less destructive. The addictive behavior itself isn't addressed, just modified.

Elisabella -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 5:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I get mad, and sad, and frusterated, because if I get healthy and loose weight and get myself on a path to well being and he don't I will leave him beind, and I will out grow him, and I love him to much to want to out grow him because I chose to climb out of the mire and muck and junk food an he didn't. You might not outgrow him...you might inspire him to improve himself so he still deserves you.

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