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servantforuse -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 6:13:14 PM)
I think you need to rid yourself of 'daddy'. You have to surround yourself with positive people and not those who are self destructive and negative. The alternative is a life of serious health problems and an early grave..

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 6:50:31 PM)
Of course it's up to me, which is why I told her I might decline the dinner she made for the whole family, and make my own. If I did it with out explaining she'd be hurt and think I was being rude. I didn't mis understand her, she said no juice at all. not even all natural juice, a 1/2 cup of juice has 36 carbs, that's nearly the whole complete amount of carbs I am allowed for a meal. I guess its fine if I didn't want any other carb like toast or something, but juice isn't anything I really drink anyway. And eventually I can have pasta, and breads, but it should be whole wheat. Or maybe a nice lovely spagettie squash. Lady N, just doesn't want me having a whole lot of stuff like that right NOW, because I am also trying to loose weight. not that I can't ever have it, just that she prefer it whole grain, and not right now. quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot The following are examaple of what I meant when I said you are finding things to not change your ways. And I am going to scold you like a child. [ quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I have already told her, if a meal's not something I should be eating I am going to have to decline eating it, and it's not to be rude, it's because it's stuff I'm not supposed to be having right now. This problem is not your Mothers. It's yours. You need to own it. So what if Mom makes an unhealthy meal ? You can still make a meal of your own. It's not Mom's responsibilty, nor Daddy's nor anyone elses to make you the proper meals and spoon feed you into healthiness. It's your responsibility. quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom The dietician at kiaser for diabeties doesn't want me having juices at all, not even in 1/2 cup servings, because there's way to much sugar even in all natural juice and way to many carbs. I I really think you didn't understand the woman. Pasta is no different than a potato or rice or bread. Ans diabetics NEED carbs. In the right quantity. They make fruit juices with no added sugar. Drinking a 1/2 cup of no sugar added fruit juice is no different in sugar and carb intake than eating the actual fruit. Altho the whole fruit has more benefits in general. I find it difficult to believe they are telling you that you may not have any bread. A piece of whole grain bread is healthier than a serving of mashed potatoes, even tho the carb content and calories are the same. If that's what they said, then that's what they said. But make sure you heard them right. Diabetes runs rampant in my family and I have taught my relatives diabetic diets, even made their meal plans for them, in the beginning. I had them run it by their MDs or dieticians and never once did they tell them they couldn't have bread, pasta, juice or the other things they are telling you. Altho, they like you to drink fruit juice less frequently than eating real fruit. mbmbn

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 6:54:29 PM)
I was always supposed to limit carb intake, I just wasn't. Last time the dr did my blood tests she said they looked really good despite my level of morbid obesity* exactly the turn of phrase she used* she just wants to keep it that way. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Tfb, It also sounds like your pre-diabetes has gotten more severe if the dietician is telling you to curb your carbs?

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 6:57:31 PM)
There is that, he mentioned tonight he'll have to eat the sam meals I do, to support me, and he said it in this kind of resigned there goes the tastiness I like way, but i told him Lady N said we can have tasty filling foods, we just have to be smart about the ingrediants, and choose healthier than others ingrediants, and our meal plan will be based around healthy foods we like to eat. So maybe in time he will get his head out of his cubby he got it in an come around. He's already willingly taking martial arts 2 times a week, on his own, and happily so. quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom I get mad, and sad, and frusterated, because if I get healthy and loose weight and get myself on a path to well being and he don't I will leave him beind, and I will out grow him, and I love him to much to want to out grow him because I chose to climb out of the mire and muck and junk food an he didn't. You might not outgrow him...you might inspire him to improve himself so he still deserves you.

soul2share -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 7:17:45 PM)
I stand by my statements about excuses. You refute everything everyone is suggesting, giving this reason or that. You can't cook, your mother won't cook what you think are healthy meals.....so what? Learn to cook your own food. Your nutritionist has obviously told you ways to start eating well, but I really haven't seen any sign that you've taken what she has said to heart, other than to talk about counting carbs. You don't get any exercise because you can't get daddy to do it too. There are ways of getting support, yet you choose not to. If you can't or don't want to find it, then do it yourself anyway......it's YOUR health and life....why put it in someone else's hands? The fact that your doctor thinks your blood work is looking good means very little. Blood tests are deceiving....I know this personally. And that little turn of the phrase your so blase about? That alone should make you want to do something to save your own health. Being morbidly obese as you are puts stress on every one of your body's systems, not just being a threat for diabetes. Am I harsh? Guess it depends on your outlook.....I really hope you find the strength to do something about this other than just post about it. Good luck. Get up and do this for YOU.....that should be the most important reason!

hausboy -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 8:00:54 PM)
Food and taste can sometimes be all in the mind. I know people that wrinkle their noses at foods and they've never even tasted them. I'm not a vegetarian (far from it! total meatasaurus) but last night I went to dinner with a vegetarian. We shared three amazing dishes that filled us up and were so full of flavor--fantastic. I don't even own a salt shaker....have no sugar or sweetners in my cupboard. There are so many super-foods out there that are really good for you and are absolutely delicious. Just open your mind (and a good cookbook) Heck, you might be able slip those super-foods in on your Daddy and he won't even know they're good for him. When I cooked for my ex, I often used jalapenos and other peppers and such to flavor foods--she never knew I didn't use salt--I would fix our portions since she had trouble with portion control. Lately I cook with colors--I try to make the dinner plate as colorful as possible--2/3 of the dinner are veggies of some variety. I cook for only one--me--and I work long, late hours so I don't have lots of time and energy when I get home. A $10 wok from IKEA has been my saving grace--I can toss some veggies, a dash of olive oil and some whole wheat linguine (just a small amount to pull it all together) and 5 min later I'm chowing down.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/2/2011 8:29:47 PM)
I remember my dad one time brought in a purple looking potato, and it was a perfectly fine potato, it was supposed to be that purplish cast, and I wouldn't eat it cause it looked, honestly like it had started to go bad, but it hadn;t lol. quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy Food and taste can sometimes be all in the mind. I know people that wrinkle their noses at foods and they've never even tasted them.

kalikshama -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 3:44:30 AM)
My body doesn't process flour well, feels like it's spiking my blood sugar. I can tolerate sprouted bread like Ezekial, though. I put a loaf in the freezer and it lasts me a few weeks, so I don't mind the expense. When it's on sale, I stock up. The Ezekial coupons feature wasn't working last time I tried but here's a workaround: http://healthyhomeblog.com/2008/10/how-to-get-ezekiel-bread-coupons-food-for-life-coupons/ My main source of carbs are from lower glycemic foods such as beans and nuts.

DesFIP -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 4:27:15 AM)
Maybemaybenot, The Man's diabetic counselor also said no fruit juice. No sugary liquids at all. Whether fruit sugar or cane sugar, the body takes that as a huge hit. Plus calories taken in liquids do not seem to affect the appetite. If you drink soda and get 300 calories you're just as hungry as if you didn't have anything. If you eat 300 calories, the body senses that you've eaten. He's lost 30 pounds and lowered his A1C primarily by cutting out all sugary liquids.

LadyPact -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 5:46:44 AM)
Some of the comments on this thread have been extremely good. There's been a lot of sound advice, Between this screen name and your last one, OP, how many threads have you created about food, exercise, or needing to lose weight? Every time, it's the same story. You've always got all of these reasons why you can't make changes that would be healthier for you. Truth is, it's more like won't. Yes, it's great to have support, but going out for a walk twenty minutes a day doesn't take anybody doing anything but you. If 'Daddy' is eating late at night, so what? It's not like you are required to do the same. The self proclaimed laziness is part of the problem. Stop buying the crap that all you have to do is warm it up before putting it in your mouth. If you have to put some work into preparing the food, at least you won't be sitting on your tail doing nothing. Your health professionals are telling you that you are morbidly obese. They aren't saying it because you have a little weight problem. You are making yourself ill and you need to take some responsibility for making some changes in your lifestyle and eating habits. It's not up to your mother to cook you healthy food. You are a grown woman and what you eat is your responsibility. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat junk. Whatever that takes to improve your diet is what you have to do. If it's OA or WW or any other thing, I'm guessing that just about anything will be an improvement. Just don't expect people everywhere to listen to your excuses forever. Yes, feel free to tell Me how mean I am to you. If I don't read it on the thread this time around, I'm sure I'll catch it on the next one you start in the coming months because you want to pay more lip service to your food and weight issues, but you don't actually do anything.

maybemaybenot -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 6:28:17 AM)
TFB and DesFIP: I defer to your dieticians. I just pulled out the print out they gave my Mother 6 years ago when she was diagnosed with Diabetes. It says to "avoid fruit juices", but it also says she can have it no more than 3 times a week. It also states to divide the fruit portions so that she is eating her total fruit and veggie allowance spread out 5 times thoughout the day, as it will prevent spikes in her blood sugar. That is why I questioned whether you < TFB > had understood correctly. I do her meal plans weekly and have her beloved apple juice scattered throughout the week. Just a note : I do her meal plans cuz she is older and doesn't understand the diet. Her HgbAIC has been normal with a few peaks when she has been * bad *. And TFB, I apologize. I read you post as " If Mom makes something I don't like, I won't eat that meal". Meaning skip that meal. mbmbn

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 4:49:18 PM)
Because him eating thigns I find tasty and yummy and appealing trigger my urdges and desires to eat, and yeah I could just not eat, but once you stir up and trigger my desire to eat, it's like taunting a hungry dog with a steak they can't have. It's like saying oh yumm oooooh look juice steak I got it you don't, you want the steak, it's yummy you know, you want it? well you can;'t have it neener neener neener. It's cruel to taunt someone you claim to love with food you know they can't have, or shouldn't have, knowing you eating it right in front of them is going to trigger their desire to eat and cause them distress as they fight the trigger. I'm not at the point where I can just say oh well and turn a blind eye and nose to him eating things I want very badly and can't have. That's like going up to a drug addict or alcholic addict partner, and snorting their fav drug right in front of them, or drinking their fav drink in front of them, and saying I know you can't have it and I know watching me snort up or throw back the bottle is hard on you, and makes you want to drink but oh well just cause I am waving your favorite choice of destruction in your face don't mean you can';t resist it, and I shouldn't be curtious enough not to rub your issue in your face/. If you love someone and you care about them and you know that X is a trigger to them and will trigger them to wanna do X to and they shouldn't, why would you wanna be so callous as to sit in front of them having X knowing it's an issue for your partner. No, you're not mean you speak a very valid truth about it having to come from with in me and it's ultimatly me. But I do expect my partner to not make it any harder than it is going to be and be respectful of me and not basically wave foods I am not supposed to have under my nose and always "taunt" me with it. And thankfully he agree's. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact If 'Daddy' is eating late at night, so what? It's not like you are required to do the same. Yes, feel free to tell Me how mean I am to you. If I don't read it on the thread this time around, I'm sure I'll catch it on the next one you start in the coming months because you want to pay more lip service to your food and weight issues, but you don't actually do anything.

DesFIP -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 5:06:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot TFB and DesFIP: I defer to your dieticians. I just pulled out the print out they gave my Mother 6 years ago when she was diagnosed with Diabetes. It says to "avoid fruit juices", but it also says she can have it no more than 3 times a week. It also states to divide the fruit portions so that she is eating her total fruit and veggie allowance spread out 5 times thoughout the day, as it will prevent spikes in her blood sugar. That is why I questioned whether you < TFB > had understood correctly. I do her meal plans weekly and have her beloved apple juice scattered throughout the week. Just a note : I do her meal plans cuz she is older and doesn't understand the diet. Her HgbAIC has been normal with a few peaks when she has been * bad *. mbmbn 4 oz of juice in the morning to wash pills down is no biggie. But drinking a glass or two of juice with every meal is. That's why they say to avoid it.

angelikaJ -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 5:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Because him eating thigns I find tasty and yummy and appealing trigger my urdges and desires to eat, and yeah I could just not eat, but once you stir up and trigger my desire to eat, it's like taunting a hungry dog with a steak they can't have. It's like saying oh yumm oooooh look juice steak I got it you don't, you want the steak, it's yummy you know, you want it? well you can;'t have it neener neener neener. It's cruel to taunt someone you claim to love with food you know they can't have, or shouldn't have, knowing you eating it right in front of them is going to trigger their desire to eat and cause them distress as they fight the trigger. I'm not at the point where I can just say oh well and turn a blind eye and nose to him eating things I want very badly and can't have. That's like going up to a drug addict or alcholic addict partner, and snorting their fav drug right in front of them, or drinking their fav drink in front of them, and saying I know you can't have it and I know watching me snort up or throw back the bottle is hard on you, and makes you want to drink but oh well just cause I am waving your favorite choice of destruction in your face don't mean you can';t resist it, and I shouldn't be curtious enough not to rub your issue in your face/. If you love someone and you care about them and you know that X is a trigger to them and will trigger them to wanna do X to and they shouldn't, why would you wanna be so callous as to sit in front of them having X knowing it's an issue for your partner. No, you're not mean you speak a very valid truth about it having to come from with in me and it's ultimatly me. But I do expect my partner to not make it any harder than it is going to be and be respectful of me and not basically wave foods I am not supposed to have under my nose and always "taunt" me with it. And thankfully he agree's Tfb This is why i think OA might be worth a try: because really food is your drug. You do not have a healthy relationship with food. If someone doesn't have a healthy relationship with other people they might go to Codependents Anonymous. If someone doesn't have a healthy relationship with food, they can go to Overeaters Anonymous. Watching what you eat is great, but until you change the inside part: how you think about food, what you feel ... it is going to be damn hard for the other changes to stick. But if you pair knowledge about nutrition and labels, and a change in how you relate to food? That is what will help you become successful.

Aylee -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 5:30:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Because him eating thigns I find tasty and yummy and appealing trigger my urdges and desires to eat, and yeah I could just not eat, but once you stir up and trigger my desire to eat, it's like taunting a hungry dog with a steak they can't have. It's like saying oh yumm oooooh look juice steak I got it you don't, you want the steak, it's yummy you know, you want it? well you can;'t have it neener neener neener. It's cruel to taunt someone you claim to love with food you know they can't have, or shouldn't have, knowing you eating it right in front of them is going to trigger their desire to eat and cause them distress as they fight the trigger. I mentioned it before. I started WW when I was in 5th grade. I was 10 years old. I saw people, my school mates, eating ALL sorts of stuff that I could no longer really have. My family got to have foods that I couldn't. I was 10 years old. Pretty much a little girl. I had some goals though. And THAT is what kept me going. Okay. . . your Daddy is eating a package of cookies, that makes you hungry. That is a fair statement. You CAN have three cups of air-popped popcorn. Your Daddy is having ice-cream, it makes you hungry. That is fair. You CAN have vanilla low-fat yogurt with fresh fruit and granola. Your mother fixes pasta. You CAN have that. You just have to measure out a serving of noodles, a serving of sauce, a serving of meat, and a serving of cheese. On Weight Watchers I could have pretty much ANY meal my family was having. I had to portion it though. (We made other foods for me for casserole nights, I still have no idea how to portion those. But you too CAN make a turkey sandwich!) There are so many more options for healthy alternatives now than there were when I did this two and a half decades ago. The only thing keeping you from doing it is you. I and 15 others can give you all the meal plans in the world. All the suggestions. But until it becomes a priority you will find one excuse after another not to do anything about it. At least I say that I really do not feel like giving up cigarettes. The time for talk is over. You know you need to do it. Now you have to put up or shut up. As Yoda would say: Do or do not. There is no try.

frazzle -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 6:24:24 PM)
I offered to email you, nutritional, easy to cook, low cost meal plans around 3 years ago. Which was turned down. Healthy food is not tasteless, ask anyone who times there visits to me around meal times. For the rest who actually are trying to deal with weight. I found the biggest issue to deal with, was leaving food on the plate once full. I'm of an age that, parents reminded you of the starving millions if you wasted food. I now ignore that and, put meals in the fridge to be reheated for the next meal, or if eating out ask for a " doggy bag" i can take home. And none of the above is ever going to work if you get zero exercise.

Aylee -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 6:46:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: frazzle I offered to email you, nutritional, easy to cook, low cost meal plans around 3 years ago. Which was turned down. You are welcome to send them to me. I am always looking for new stuff. I love to cook and your adjectives make these things sound irresistible! Easy AND cheap? WOOTELS!

dcnovice -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 7:10:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: frazzle I offered to email you, nutritional, easy to cook, low cost meal plans around 3 years ago. Which was turned down. You are welcome to send them to me. I am always looking for new stuff. I love to cook and your adjectives make these things sound irresistible! Easy AND cheap? WOOTELS! I'd love to see them too, if they're handy.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 7:38:52 PM)
I do believe I said yes to your offer. I wno't eat fish, so no fish recipe's but anything else would be welcome. quote: ORIGINAL: frazzle I offered to email you, nutritional, easy to cook, low cost meal plans around 3 years ago. Which was turned down.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are the over eater anon groups overly religious? (2/3/2011 7:42:45 PM)
quote: 4 oz of juice in the morning to wash pills down is no biggie. But drinking a glass or two of juice with every meal is. That's why they say to avoid it. Depending on the pill, it can be an extremely big deal. researchers looked at healthy volunteers who took a drug called fexofenadine. It's an antihistamine, used to treat allergies. Some people took the allergy pills with water, and others drank grapefruit, apple or orange juice. The juices stopped people absorbing the drug properly, meaning they got about half the dose they should have done. Grapefruit juice seemed to have the strongest effect. Drugs that can react with orange, apple or grapefruit juice include some antibiotics, chemotherapy drugs and beta-blockers. According to the researchers, if you're taking medications and want to drink these juices, you need to leave a gap of four hours either side of taking your pills. So if you take your pills first thing in the morning, you might want to save your breakfast glass of orange juice for lunchtime. Here are some other things to watch for if you're taking prescription medications. •Cranberry juice can increase the effects of a blood thinner called warfarin (brand name Coumadin). This could cause dangerous bleeding. •A group of drugs for weak bones, called bisphosphonates, need to be taken with plenty of water while standing or sitting upright. You can't eat anything for half an hour after taking the pills. •Some drugs have pretty complicated instructions. People taking MAOIs, a type of antidepressant, need to avoid several foods, including cheese, processed meats and soy products. http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2008/09/fruit-juice-and.html Juice in the morning isnt the best idea for anyone.

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