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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Islam does in fact hate the Jews, as none are even allowed to communicate travel to or even in country. Peace [sic] missions must be on neutral ground. This hate springs from Islam's belief in Zionism and all its attendant if imaginary evils. I can imagine the posts already, yes the threat...of Zionism.

I have studied and seen more than enough of recent and 21st century Islam to have a right to feel that in the debate of Islam vs the west, theirs is still in far too many ways...a primitive culture

Your study falls well short of the truth, if you are claiming the above to be true.

As for stoning, it has (For the most part) only taken place in some Countries were fundamentalists hold sway. Or, as in Afghanistan, in areas were the Government doesnt have control.

• Soraya Manutchehri, 1986, stoned to death in Iran after being falsely accused of adultery
• Du’a Khalil Aswad, 2007, a 17-year-old stoned to death in Iraq.

• Amina Lawal, sentenced to death by stoning in Nigeria in 2002, but freed on appeal
• Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani sentenced to death by stoning in Iran in 2007, but sentence is under review

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Sweetness, how often do you see me post bible verses? I wasnt "preaching", just showing the bigotry of another poster.

It was a comment about Leviticus and the crackpots who've been apologising for what he (and others like him) said for two thousand years , Tazzy. It wasn't targeted at you or anyone else here.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirlLets kiss and make up!

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My study is more than enough to know that just recently the Saudis stoned a woman to death and has been doing so throughout history. It was as recently as 1969 that the last person sold as chattel (legal property)...in Saudi Arabia. You think I am talking through my hat and about history. These are the facts now and reflects to me again, a...primitive culture. Even imprisonment for religious and political offenses qualify as a primitive culture.

A 16 year old girl just within a couple of years ago was in fact hung for 'violating' her chastity in Iran. Then the authorities claimed they didn't know she was 16. We in the west must be so much more in line with their thinking on that hey ?  "Well, if she had been 18." I mean in the west are always hanging our 18 yr old girls for losing their cherry...right. Iran stays quite busy hanging 'sexual offenders.'

Google is your friend. Read it and weep as it were:

• Soraya Manutchehri, 1986, stoned to death in Iran after being falsely accused of adultery
  
• Du’a Khalil Aswad, 2007, a 17-year-old stoned to death in Iraq.

People who were almost stoned

• Amina Lawal, sentenced to death by stoning in Nigeria in 2002, but freed on appeal
  
• Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani sentenced to death by stoning in Iran in 2007, but sentence is under review

Nigeria:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/six-sharia-convicts-await-stoning.html

Oh BTW, The Taliban are also still at it. It is only as we type that this type of culture in Islam...is under review.

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

clits beeing cut off .... from where did you get these things
i never heard of this ever
from a first read WTF....
after some google & calling my doctor syaing that that clit cutting thing is actually hapening in africa alone
you can put that on all.....
(Numerous times she refused to discuss the Arab invasion and occupation of Palestine)
i will honstly look to read that from you that is how on GODs Green Earth occupation & invasion were made by Arab & not by UK or Belfore Promise.......
or without the supporting so called (Israielie loby in USA),
by all means prove your point....

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Leviticus 20:27 "'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"

Wow. Leviticus really was a hearty happy chappie, wasn't he?

I'm really, *really* tired of reading the rantings of fanatical lunatics who lived two thousand years ago, no matter which book they're written in and however many windbags in silly costumes keep telling us how great these people were.

Sweetness, how often do you see me post bible verses? I wasnt "preaching", just showing the bigotry of another poster.

Sorry you can understand that.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

...He remained a hermit on Mount Carmel until he was instructed[2] to leave for Italy to preach against Albigensians, Bulgars, and patarini.[1]
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He wanted to convert a Cathar knight named Berenger (Berengarius).

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You know, I personally would be careful with using that example. The whole Albingenser/Catharer/Waldenser complex is among the more shameful events in the history of the catholic church.

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Bigot Wow that's a bit strong. Whilst I have every respect for Christians (note capital letters) I haven't read the bible and I bow to your better knowledge. So thank you tazzy for correcting me. I made a mistake regarding what is said in the bible but regardless of that, we don't follow religious law in the west.

I have family links with Islam and I have family links with Christians. The difference for me is I can see both sides. That makes me anything but a bigot.

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The West and Islam have totally incompatible values. It's incomprehensible to me that others are unable to see that clearly; perhaps the wool is slowly being lifted from the eyes of some. Multiculturalism has failed. David Cameron of the UK, speaking (primarily) of Muslim groups:

"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

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Oh I did that did I? well now lets see.... who prey am I bigoted against? Who's side was I actually on when I said what I did? You have a habit of jumping to the wrong conclusions. I am less of a bigot than probably anyone else you know and I find your accusation not only insulting to the core but hugely ignorant. Bigot is reserved for someone with prejudice and someone who shows prejudice is worthy of that insult. I showed none but you read something into what I wrote simply because you already had a low opinion of me.
Your a stone thrower aren't you?
Go and have a word with yourself you silly, silly woman.

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It said nothing in the Bible about burning witches but it does talk about stoning in the Koran and so it is Islamic law. For a Muslim to call it inhuman would be insulting the Prophet.

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I do not understand is why we are so hated by the west.

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Oh I did that did I? well now lets see.... who prey am I bigoted against? Who's side was I actually on when I said what I did? You have a habit of jumping to the wrong conclusions. I am less of a bigot than probably anyone else you know and I find your accusation not only insulting to the core but hugely ignorant. Bigot is reserved for someone with prejudice and someone who shows prejudice is worthy of that insult. I showed none but you read something into what I wrote simply because you already had a low opinion of me.
Your a stone thrower aren't you?
Go and have a word with yourself you silly, silly woman.

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It said nothing in the Bible about burning witches but it does talk about stoning in the Koran and so it is Islamic law. For a Muslim to call it inhuman would be insulting the Prophet.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3559985

Enough said.

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2- Will answer this question with a question like why does the thief go to jail … it’s the law yes?
Why do they get stoned …? It’s just the law & they committed a sin.
In 1400 or so in Europe the witches has to be burned why?? It was law….!!

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It said nothing in the Bible about burning witches but it does talk about stoning in the Koran and so it is Islamic law. For a Muslim to call it inhuman would be insulting the Prophet.

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What did I mean when I said that? I meant that if the bible says nothing about stoning people to death then why would Christians stone people to death?

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It turns out however that the Bible does say this but as I pointed out later, we don't use Christian law to punish people.

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

Dear Luckydawg,
West bank & east of Jerusalem always was for Jordan,
Gaza was & always will be as Palestinian Land,
Golan Heights was & always will be a Syrian Land,
In 1948 these Lands were free except for Gaza it was under the England occupation,
They did not setup a state of Palestine on the Land that was never from Palestine that is true simply because (you cannot build a house on Land that you do not own).
In 1976 Israel invaded these free lands & waited there to complete the real state of Israel (from al Fourat to the Neil).
That is History not me saying that at all that what happened,
Israel was founded on a land that was occupied by the English, (Belfor promise).
& before that Palestine was under the Turkish occupation.
After 1967 Jordan gave up west bank & east of Jerusalem for the Palestinian case,
In my way of thinking that they cannot afford to free that Land.
We don’t hate Jews or their religion. They were people among us living & eating with us.
We hate the Israelis & there is huge different between Jews & Israelis.
& I did not say that 9-11 was done by Jews, but it can be made by Moss ad right?
Even that your post had some disrespect in it, I did replay to you with much respect to you & your believes you are older than me & I respect who are older than me.
I am chatting in my second language & learning the third
I still wish you a long life full of happiness & joy.