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ORIGINAL: strangedesire So there's this girl... She's 20 and her Master is 37. So what... many have a large age gap -- some prefer it, others don't. A non-issue. quote:
They're engaged. Good for them... many here would like to be engaged/married as well. quote:
She wears a collar that she can't remove. So what... many do. quote:
They have a 24/7 relationship - no safewords, pretty much no limits. So what... many share this type of relationship -- Total Power Exchange. quote:
She lives with him in a house that they "rent" from a relative of hers. The relative only charges them taxes and utilities, and he pays all of it. He pays for her car insurance and her cell phone as well. Good for them... he saves money and can cover her expenses. quote:
Their relationship is rocky, and my impression is that it's always been somewhat rocky. That's your impression... you don't live with them, and can't truly know thier relationship. quote:
They have an open relationship... Me and my Kitten have played with her as well, and I believe he knows this, but doesn't seem bothered by it. Yeah... and??? Why should he be "bothered" if they have an "open relationship"??? quote:
I've never met him. And yet... you seem quite quick to judge him?!! quote:
She was involved with an open-minded vanilla friend of mine for quite a while, and still speaks to him often. The stories he heard from her were clearly tripping into outright abuse. So what??? Most 'nillas would consider what YOU do as "abuse". This is subjective. One person's "abuse" is another person's "dream". quote:
Her Master would lock her in a closet for days at a time. After a fight, he marked her so badly that she didn't go to school the next day. He broke things of hers when angry. He threatened suicide when she told him she was thinking about leaving him. She picked him and she has two feet... which she can use anytime to leave, should she choose to do so. quote:
Kitten, much later, heard a slightly different story from her. She talked to Kitten about the way he'd hold her after play, and the way he seemed to be able to see her breaking point and stop right before she hit it. He'd locked her in a closet once, overnight, with a bucket and a blanket to sleep with. She skips classes often, and any mark bad enough to keep her home would have been visible a few days later. Soooooooo... it would appear the above statement negates the earlier one, yes??? quote:
We shrugged it off. Good... it's not your relationship -- it's theirs. quote:
She likes to tell people what they want to hear, and this male friend had thought her Master was trouble from the start. (And he was in love with her for quite a while - he had plenty of reasons to want her single.) He's very open-minded about kink, but something like "I hated it but I didn't tell him to stop because deep down I wanted it" sound very different to practicing sadomasochists. We assumed that she was twisting the truth a bit, perhaps unconsciously, and he was reinforcing it by responding with lots of sympathy and emotional support. The above bolded part should be evidence enough that nothing your "friend" says can be taken with any real legitimacy, as he is beyond biased. quote:
Fast forward a few months. The relationship is still rocky. She's recently become involved with another male friend of mine, and her Master is so upset to see her spending her time with another man that he leaves her. (Within a day, he's back, with gifts.) I'm in fairly regular contact with her, and hear about a few nasty things that he said to her. I provide sympathy. Blah... blah... blah... all people have ups and downs in their relationships. Some up more than down, some down more than up, some break-up, some stay together, some break-up and get back together. Nothing shocking here. quote:
At roughly the same time, she talks to her new lover. He hears about a nasty beating, and her staying home from school to hide the marks. (I saw her less than a week later. She had mild-to-moderate bruises on her back, but nothing visible under clothes. She wouldn't talk about the bruises, though.) She took him to her house and showed him the place that her Master locks her into these days. It's a small space between the basement proper and the bulkhead leading down to it. He sees snowdrifts inside it. I've never seen her house, although she's spent time at mine. Two things... (1) What she does, via mutual consent, with "her Master" is their business, and (2) she may very well be a drama whore... who knows? quote:
I don't know what to think... She's a masochist who likes serious humiliation, and wants a relationship where she doesn't have to take responsibility for herself. Ummm... didn't you just answer your own question?!! quote:
The things she does with him could be horribly abusive - or they could be completely consensual. Given the prior quote, it's likely consensual. quote:
The difference is in the way she tells her story. It's spin. Or drama. quote:
Do I support her in staying with him even though they fight? Do I encourage her to leave him? Do I criticize her for playing things up to get sympathy from the men in her life, or do I give her the emotional support that she wants and them some? If she reaches out for help, and you want to help, then do so. Again, some just like drama. If she wants to bitch about him, then I wouldn't listen. Tell her, "You picked him... either make it work, or leave... but quit bitching about your own choices." If she wants to leave him and needs a temporary place to crash, then help of you so choose. Otherwise, stay out of it. quote:
The relationship is broken, and I don't doubt that. It's "boken" according you, and you should very much "doubt that" for two simple reasons... (1) by your own admission, you've never met him, and (2) you've only heard one side of the story. quote:
Any thoughts? Advice? General feelings? Yes... stay the hell out of other people's relationships. In truth, you're coming off here much like your "friend"... that you'd like her for yourself as well, and have veiled it behind all this supposed "concern" for her. Sorry, but that's how this is coming off. Good Luck.
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