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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 11:13:16 AM   
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You don't think having a profile full of "I'm looking for" when she is in fact owned is weird?

I would have to make a bunch of presumptions about what is and isn't permitted in their relationship while ignoring the actual issue being presented.

The converse logic also falls flat: that putting "Owned by!" in one's profile alone somehow imbues a person with greater seriousness.

It actually makes me consider the process of 'detective-style' and 'armchair-psychoanalysis style' discussing. I think the process itself sometimes becomes a social one-upmanship show, with some people having pre-conceived notions already in place and just doing enough personal digging on someone to find a 'gotcha!' tidbit of information to support a priori conclusions. I think that detective technique has merit sometimes but, thinking about it, it appears more prominently used when we're suspecting someone is being fraudulent or is saying something false or hypocritical.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Anyway, she made the update so it's moot.

Does this mean she is now officially "CollarMe Serious™"?

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 11:21:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Of course that is just my cynical old bitchy self talking.

Does this disclaimer disavow all CM members of consequence if used prior to making otherwise grandiose, insulting, aloof, dismissive, and informatively empty comments, or must one get to a 5-digit post-count first?

Just curious because I think the rest of the site may like to know when they too can help the site further devolve into one big cyclic verbal bitchslap battle.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 11:26:55 AM   
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quote:

I think that detective technique has merit sometimes but, thinking about it, it appears more prominently used when we're suspecting someone is being fraudulent or is saying something false or hypocritical.


I accept everything on face value until my BS meter goes off, at which point I dig.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 12:13:43 PM   
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quote:

Just curious because I think the rest of the site may like to know when they too can help the site further devolve into one big cyclic verbal bitchslap battle.

Lol..I know you probably didn't mean that in a funny way but I laughed out loud anyway!

Glad to see you "back".


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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 12:34:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Of course that is just my cynical old bitchy self talking.

Does this disclaimer disavow all CM members of consequence if used prior to making otherwise grandiose, insulting, aloof, dismissive, and informatively empty comments, or must one get to a 5-digit post-count first?

Just curious because I think the rest of the site may like to know when they too can help the site further devolve into one big cyclic verbal bitchslap battle.


4 digits seem to be working splendidly.


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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 1:09:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In reading all of this..........I am just going to call bullshit on the whole mess.


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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 1:20:21 PM   
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4 digits seem to be working splendidly.



Mmmmm...butta please!


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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 3:35:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

Doesn't matter about not leaving, don't want to. He knows that. i am 19, i am going to want to run away when things get hard if He doesn't hold me in. He makes slavery very hard, but very rewarding if i do things right in the end.


There you have it.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 5:04:22 PM   
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And, LOL Master agrees CM is a joke


Well firstly,

Don't be so quick to judge, I met my Master here and have been collared to him for some time, we hardly ever have conflict and are perfectly happy.

Your problem is, your either not a slave at all, dreamed of the fantasy side which is being someones property, sitting adoringly at their feet and getting the rush from losing all control, problem is, your not made to be a slave, your either one or your not and in your case I'm thinking the latter.

A slave is not only who but what I am, I languish the feeling of releasing all control to another, the knowledge that I am his most prized possession, I am many things, partner, lover, friend but primarily I am his slave, his property and anything he wishes me to be, no decision is mine however I may offer opinions, slavery isn't like the fantasy most envision it to be, it's beautiful and will make you feel truly beautiful and content if it is in your heart what you truly are, there will be days when you don't feel like doing something asked of you, tasks you don't wish to perform.

But a slave does these regardless and finds happiness in the happiness she sees in her Masters eyes, the affirmation she has pleased him, to offer so much to another you must truly be with the right one because as a slave you are offering everything, nothing is yours, including your body, which you handed over to your Master when choosing to become a slave.

As others suggested, speak to him, tell him these things and how you feel...as his you should be completely honest with him and he should be who you go to first, first always, no-one should come before him when you have concerns or you simply cause a barrier, a Master and slave should have a bond, connection stronger than vanilla relationships, open to each other in all ways, by doing this you are only damaging your relationship.

The other issue could be more simple, moving from submissive to slave is a transition, one that can be a shock at first and at first most do fight it, during this time if this is the case, it's even more important you speak to him, not us, or at least speak to him first and make sure he is aware of what you write here.



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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 7:19:50 PM   
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I'm not a slave, I identify as submissive. It has always been the internal struggles which led me to become a better person. I will go as far as to assert that those conflicts solidified my determination to fulfill my desire to submit. I ask myself 'is this harmful to me?' The answer is usually no, it is not. And then I remind myself what our agreement is and that agreement obliges me to comply.
I frequently fell in the beginning. One of my favorite quotes became: “Look not at where you fall, rather look at where you tripped.”(Source unknown)

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 7:40:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Also, several people have asked if this is online or RL and I didn't note your answer - if it is buried somewhere, please point it out.


I think the avoidance of answering the question is the answer. Of course that is just my cynical old bitchy self talking.



Well you have company, LaT. I asked if this relationship was online in the OP's last thread, when she was considering "slavery".

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3540305/mpage_1/tm.htm

I don't think she answered my question then, either. Notice how she still writes about "texting" with master and "e-mails" and "more e-mails." No touches, no caresses, no gazing into his eyes, no stern voiced-lectures, no stinging swats, no passionate kisses. Just rather stale drama--without growth.

I'm going to assume it's all fantasy. It's a fantasy she wants the CM forums to help embellish and support.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:03:38 PM   
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wait...you said you've been here for years??? How is that possible if you're only 19..unless you have been here since you were under the legal age....hhhhmmm.......

but anyway, you're 19. You're not mature yet and thus you'll want things  your way because well...you're 19. That's what 19 year olds do generally...they want what they want when they want.

You're new to life, new to relationships. Highly unlikely you'll be in this current relationship if you want to call it that, for much longer and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at your age.

My advice to young people....sow your oats, enjoy whatever it is you are doing but don't expect it to last you a lifetime. Live and learn.



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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:05:30 PM   
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LOL, it's not online it's irl. Master never does online.
i am not 24/7 with Him, but i spend most weekends, and spend a lot of weekdays with Him. In fact February 11 will be the date when W/we first met last year at His b-day party! Exciting.

Also you all can say i may not be a slave ... and there is no point in fighting over it over the net... but what He had me do to break me down the first session... NO ONE will EVER tell me i am not. i can say with confidence you don't know what you are saying.
Also wasn't asking for advice if i am a slave or not.

I am having an internal struggle, asked for advice on that not to get bashed.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:07:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

wait...you said you've been here for years??? How is that possible if you're only 19..unless you have been here since you were under the legal age....hhhhmmm.......

but anyway, you're 19. You're not mature yet and thus you'll want things  your way because well...you're 19. That's what 19 year olds do generally...they want what they want when they want.

You're new to life, new to relationships. Highly unlikely you'll be in this current relationship if you want to call it that, for much longer and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at your age.

My advice to young people....sow your oats, enjoy whatever it is you are doing but don't expect it to last you a lifetime. Live and learn.





Only going to be with Him till i am out of college.. i'll be moving after that. i know that.

And, ya supposedly selfish at this age. One of the things i am being taught is to be more aware of others and their needs.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:09:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

I'm not a slave, I identify as submissive. It has always been the internal struggles which led me to become a better person. I will go as far as to assert that those conflicts solidified my determination to fulfill my desire to submit. I ask myself 'is this harmful to me?' The answer is usually no, it is not. And then I remind myself what our agreement is and that agreement obliges me to comply.
I frequently fell in the beginning. One of my favorite quotes became: “Look not at where you fall, rather look at where you tripped.”(Source unknown)


Interesting, thank you

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:09:09 PM   
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well then if you're going to be moving and you know this is just a fling or casual sex or playing or whatever then don't worry about it all and just enjoy whatever it is you are doing I guess.

Apparently he doesn't mind.


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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:12:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeautyDebased

quote:

And, LOL Master agrees CM is a joke


Well firstly,

Don't be so quick to judge, I met my Master here and have been collared to him for some time, we hardly ever have conflict and are perfectly happy.

Your problem is, your either not a slave at all, dreamed of the fantasy side which is being someones property, sitting adoringly at their feet and getting the rush from losing all control, problem is, your not made to be a slave, your either one or your not and in your case I'm thinking the latter.

A slave is not only who but what I am, I languish the feeling of releasing all control to another, the knowledge that I am his most prized possession, I am many things, partner, lover, friend but primarily I am his slave, his property and anything he wishes me to be, no decision is mine however I may offer opinions, slavery isn't like the fantasy most envision it to be, it's beautiful and will make you feel truly beautiful and content if it is in your heart what you truly are, there will be days when you don't feel like doing something asked of you, tasks you don't wish to perform.

But a slave does these regardless and finds happiness in the happiness she sees in her Masters eyes, the affirmation she has pleased him, to offer so much to another you must truly be with the right one because as a slave you are offering everything, nothing is yours, including your body, which you handed over to your Master when choosing to become a slave.

As others suggested, speak to him, tell him these things and how you feel...as his you should be completely honest with him and he should be who you go to first, first always, no-one should come before him when you have concerns or you simply cause a barrier, a Master and slave should have a bond, connection stronger than vanilla relationships, open to each other in all ways, by doing this you are only damaging your relationship.

The other issue could be more simple, moving from submissive to slave is a transition, one that can be a shock at first and at first most do fight it, during this time if this is the case, it's even more important you speak to him, not us, or at least speak to him first and make sure he is aware of what you write here.



Beauty.



"The other issue could be more simple, moving from submissive to slave is a transition, one that can be a shock at first and at first most do fight it, during this time if this is the case, it's even more important you speak to him, not us, or at least speak to him first and make sure he is aware of what you write here."

i have and am. He called me tonight, is calling me again tomorrow and seeing Him when i get back Monday. Also talked to me about it O/our last training session. Think it is the transition, it's really different. Once i saw how He took all the control the first training session (hardest thing i've ever been through) ...its a bit scary and causes confusion. So guess i just need to keep thinking about it and asking questions and going to Him for help.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/9/2011 8:15:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

well then if you're going to be moving and you know this is just a fling or casual sex or playing or whatever then don't worry about it all and just enjoy whatever it is you are doing I guess.

Apparently he doesn't mind.



it's not just whatever to U/us . This is a huge learning experience, i am trying to figure out myself and life with this. It's not just a fling or casual sex it's much more meaningful than that considering how much time He has spent to get to know and help me out. W/we didn't have sex for the first 6 months even. It was never suppose to turn sexual i asked for it to. He has helped me in so many ways to grow up and mature and taught me so many things. i need to learn all that i can from Him while i have him.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/10/2011 2:07:58 AM   
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you joined in 08, which means that you joined at 16? - im sure plenty of people do say theyre older than they are when they join, but when i consider everything else attached to this im going to have to call BS too.

no Master or Dominant for that matter has ever allowed me to keep an active profile and certainly not one who has considered himself the owner of my ass, as youres apparently does.

if you dont take this place seriously then why come here and ask this question and why would you wish to lead people into believing youre free with an active profile, isnt that wasting peoples time.

most people are proud to say they are owned or with someone - why not you. it suggests to me at the very least that youre keeping youre options open...., so back to the original enquiry i guess, how much does this contract really mean to you again?, if indeed there is one.

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RE: Internal conflict? - 2/10/2011 2:44:26 AM   
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What I find disturbing is not only the 'lies' that follow this OP around but the fact that she expects others NOT to lie.

According to old threads, the OP as 18 also in 2008 and 2009 and has only aged a year and it is 2011.

I wish time could slow down my aging process like it seems to do on your planet.  Do your grits also cook faster in your kitchen and defy the laws of physics? *sigh, Vinny. Someone book me a flight to her town because it obviously contains some cave hiding the fountain of youth.

...but forgetting all about that..what I want to really confront is:

"Yeah im just so tired of it.
Another guy who i met on here...i totally fell for him...he wouldn't change his cm profile to being taken saying that i need to turst him.
So i made a fake account and he went along and said he had no sub. and what i told him about him he got really defensive and said he knew it was me and all this shit blah blah.
And i messaged one of his friends and  on his cm list to see if he was lying and he was he said that he met her and they had coffee a few times and he just decided to be frineds and i messaged her and she said that they never met! and then he found out and said i invaded his privacy and i had no right.
oh my fucking god....I'm just so tired of this stuff i want someone to just be loyal and truthfull for once. "

ok, yanno what I am sick of?  Fake profiles used for snooping or game-playing paranoia made by those who claim to be the most 'honest' of individuals--OR by claiming it was a 'necessity' to ensure they weren't lied to.  Oh the irony.  

what I'm also sick of is those that create 'problem' threads and then have temper tantrums because their inconsistencies are noticed by the community.  It isn't even the lying so much actually, it is the fact that some people actually believe we are THAT dumb and we do not have the ability nor common sense to find such inconsistencies (I mean, it is all there on this site in black n white).

I guess it only really does prove one thing.  Liars always get caught because liars forget what they say/write because it seems too much work for them to keep track. 

Lie away, but don't forget that in here, or anywhere, there will always be people to call you out on it.  Getting p'd off because people did find the trail of details disturbing is not productive at all.
Simple way to avoid that problem?  Quit making shit up and lying to people and your ability to get sound advice and genuine would greatly improve.

Don't shoot the messenger (CM - and it's people).  We are just along for the ride but NOT to be taken for one.


edit: that was a quick reply, obviously for the OP and not for the above poster (lally2).




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