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Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Christi... - 2/11/2011 5:03:30 AM   
whothehellRU1


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Status: offline 		Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:25:11 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:34:59 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:43:31 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:43:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite simple, really.  Even Christ said "give to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar".  There's no direct conflict in the bible that says a man can not be owned as a slave on earth. 


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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:44:03 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 6:00:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is God's way since the garden that 'man' is of higher spiritual and physical importance over women.

It was also likely since conception of that idea that He had a pretty good idea that women ---are easily manipulated to be or become nothing but trouble. 

I am one of those women.  Get over it.  I'm just waiting for God to send the right man to remind me of his initial and ideal situation for me. It may not happen, so for now I remain----trouble.




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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 7:13:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Bible's pro-slavery. Also given the Bibles insistence on female subjugation I'd be more interested to hear how feminists reconcile the two sets of beliefs, justifying lifestyle BDSM is pretty straight forward. 

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 7:22:10 AM   
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The Bible's pro-slavery. Also given the Bibles insistence on female subjugation I'd be more interested to hear how feminists reconcile the two sets of beliefs, justifying lifestyle BDSM is pretty straight forward. 


IMO the Bible is not pro-slavery as much as it acknowledged that slavery existed at the time it was written. 

The Bible has no means of dealing with guns, computers, and other technology that was invented after it.  I consider female-led relationships to be another instance.  The Bible is a wonderful guide but you need to follow the spirit of it instead of trying to find niggling little specificities in the passages.




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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 7:22:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: whothehellRU1

Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.


Regarding the first one, so long as you're married and not having gay sex or having sex during the woman's period you should be fine. The Bible explicitly supports polyamory and male dominated relationships, and doesn't forbid BDSM or kink afaik.

Regarding the second one, the Bible supports non-consensual slavery, so I don't see why it should disapprove of consensual imitation of slavery.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 7:38:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: whothehellRU1

Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.


I don't believe in god the same way most do and I don't give the bible any more credit than I do any other piece of poorly written fiction VERY loosely based upon a few facts.

I live by my own moral compass and that moral compass feels that whatever consenting sane adult humans wish to do with one another, in their personal life, is no one else's business.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 8:08:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: whothehellRU1

Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.

Since this is only your second post, likely this is a poster trolling with a pseudonym (people don't join kink sites to ask religion questions).

Your cause and effect association doesn't exist. Instead, you're asking (1) is there an absolute morality, (2) does that absolute morality derived from the divine, and (3) are BDSM and consensual slave ownership on the list?

Points 1 and 2 alone are problems--if morality is absolute, what need for the divine, or if it derives from the divine, then morality isn't absolute. 3 is then just a leftover detail.


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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 8:25:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
IMO the Bible is not pro-slavery as much as it acknowledged that slavery existed at the time it was written. 

Explaining the conditions under which it's cool to own slaves and even the conditions under which it's ok to beat your slaves to death is a bit more than acknowledging the existence of the practice. It's endorsing the practice as moral.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 8:27:59 AM   
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Since this is only your second post, likely this is a poster trolling with a pseudonym (people don't join kink sites to ask religion questions).


Hmmm... really gotta wonder who... naaa... not really.. he already has chimed in.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:01:32 AM   
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Thus spake Zarathustra, or was it somebody named Deuteronomy?

Easy to reconcile, in fact no reconciliation is needed, whether your god be a scrunched up wad of toiletpaper or an amoeba or any other sort of fantasy.  

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:28:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		As anybody who's ever read the Bible or the Quran can tell you (not sure about the Talmud, particularly as there's a lot more interpretation of God's initial word in Judaism than in its two rivals) God is definitely a top. There's no conflict there at all...

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:36:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: whothehellRU1
Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.

Today I am a solipsist. I exist. You lot are merely figments of my imagination.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:39:12 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:39:48 AM   
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:41:16 AM   
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