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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:43:38 AM

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True. It depends what you're talking to them about, doesn't it?

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 9:48:50 AM

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LOL! That was percipient.

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RE: and how do Jews, Christians and Muslims belief with... - 2/11/2011 3:18:56 PM

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Does a single God/Godess exist

A "One True God", yes; I haven't found evidence that he is one and the same with a "One True Goddess",

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How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership?

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 4:53:38 PM

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Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.

you mean like gor? LOL

99% of slavery you see on here is all sexual and or fantasy based and usually 2 sharing basically a common kink.

Just take note of the turn around, when the kink gets old everyone moves on and they show up again and again lookin.

NOW is you want to talk about real NON-consentual slavery lets talk about the federal reserve and the debt where your kids are slapped with a 30,000 buck bill with interest (the first 18 years they pay nothing on it), the very second their butts hit the table. That is TWU slavery at its finest!

In as much as GOd is concerned well slavery is not the same as involuntary servitude like the debt we are passing to our kids.

Slavery can be by contract and never use the word slavery in it.

I am not sure why you would connect God with that exactly unless you mean to imply its immoral?

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:00:54 PM

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I am not getting your point there OP can you clear it please?
If you dont mind ?
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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:31:31 PM

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How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership?

I believe in one God.
BDSM is a part of who i am.
What the hell is there to reconcile?

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:40:40 PM

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There is no god. Religion is opium for the masses. An antique book written by a lot of old guys with mommie issues sez I can own Mexican and British male slaves but not Yankee slaves, and stone people who wear linen and wool, but except as a book of parables like Aesop's, it has little relevance to real life.
As Thomas Jefferson knew, church and state must be kept separate. Human rights before religious freedom.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/11/2011 5:46:22 PM

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"niggling little specificities" Steven shave and I will kiss you.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 5:48:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The Bible has no means of dealing with guns, computers, and other technology that was invented after it. I consider female-led relationships to be another instance.

First of all, that would seem like a non-issue when we are talking about a book dictated by an omniscient being. Second, we aren't talking about a concept like open heart surgery or the internet that simply did not exist yet; the Amazons would be an example of the concept of female dominance from antiquity.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The Bible is a wonderful guide but you need to follow the spirit of it instead of trying to find niggling little specificities in the passages.

That the Bible specifically commands the submission of women and teaches of female inferiority with passages like the following seems like a strange reason to discard those teachings.

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ORIGINAL: 1 Timothy 2:11-14
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Still if you want to discard what the Bible actually says and go with general themes you still run into the Bible's affinity for Patriarchal dictatorships.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 6:51:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

that would seem like a non-issue when we are talking about a book dictated by an omniscient being.

Oh good, for a minute I thought you were talking about the Bible.

I'll ignore the rest of your post then.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 9:12:05 PM

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There's all kinds of slavery in the Bible. Dude hires this guy as a slave, or indentured servant if you will. Pays him with one of his daughters. Switches daughter on the guy and now the guy is a slave for a bunch more years to get the right one, the one he wanted in the first place. There's more nasty shit in that book than any porn site. The broad can't get up so they can search for some shit she stole from her family, because it's that time of the month. Was it or wasn't it, or was the loot all covered with menstrual blood ? And adherents to this shit would call what we do unclean or immoral ? Fuck them and the camel they rode in on.

This bunch of sick motherfuckers are supposed to be our moral compass, our guiding light ? Who you trying to kid ? I ate meat on Friday, I wear whatever kind of cloth that is comfortable and not threadbare. I don't care who is unclean, fuck it I am unclean. These people were stupider than dirt, and you know why they stayed in caves and wrote this bullshit ? Because they had no meaningful skills.

Let that roll around for a minute.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 9:57:08 PM

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Let that roll around for a minute.

That's a lot of rage, deep and personal from the sound of it, and unless you tend to become involved in painful personal relationships with inanimate objects, it ain't about some freaking book.

Let that roll around for a minute.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 10:04:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: whothehellRU1

Three world religions belief in the self same one God/Goddess but in different ways. How do those of you who believe in a one God/Goddess reconcile your inherant beliefs with lifestyle BDSM and even consensual slave ownership? This inquiry is not for lifestylers who believe in cow or elephant gods and such.

you mean like gor? LOL

99% of slavery you see on here is all sexual and or fantasy based and usually 2 sharing basically a common kink.

Just take note of the turn around, when the kink gets old everyone moves on and they show up again and again lookin.

NOW is you want to talk about real NON-consentual slavery lets talk about the federal reserve and the debt where your kids are slapped with a 30,000 buck bill with interest (the first 18 years they pay nothing on it), the very second their butts hit the table. That is TWU slavery at its finest!

In as much as GOd is concerned well slavery is not the same as involuntary servitude like the debt we are passing to our kids.

Slavery can be by contract and never use the word slavery in it.

I am not sure why you would connect God with that exactly unless you mean to imply its immoral?

fuck off

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 10:11:38 PM

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i used to be Mormon. If i still was, my involvement in BDSM would be in conflict with my religion, regardless of whether i was a slave or a submissive or a bottom. Mostly it would be in conflict because because of the church's rules about chastity and sexual conduct. (i.e. sex outside of marriage is prohibited, as well as a slew of other things like mastrubation, groping and passionate kissing outside of marriage, pornography, voyeurism, nudity, etc.)

Now, it's possible to have a Master/slave relationship that does NOT violate those rules. However, i suspect any BDSM relationship, sexual or not, would be prohibited if the Mormon church were to find out about it. Married Mormons who are involved in BDSM usually hide it, i think, because they believe the church would disaprove if they didn't condemn it outright.

So, to answer the question- i don't think Mormonism can be reconciled with BDSM. i don't know about other religions. i suspect that there are religions where the M/s dynamic doesn't conflict with religious doctrine. There are many people believe in God without practising a specific religion. And then there are those religions who think it's a sin, but believe in forgiveness of sins.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 10:25:39 PM

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"That's a lot of rage, deep and personal from the sound of it,"

Not really. You want to play psychoanalyst ? OK. I am fucking pissed. I am pissed that people's minds are filled with this shit. Religion would be better off never invented. It has fucked up human history in immeasurable ways. There's no way a sane Man can be for that.

I think they should let kids have all the porn they want, but exposing them to religion at too early an age should warrant the death penalty. They are PREYING on people before they have a chance to analyse what they are fed. It is tantamount to poisoning them, just as if you put rat poison in their juice.

I swear if I had kids I would live in the mountains, to stay away from the insanity. Maybe have a look at the old Weaver place. Might be available........

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 10:35:36 PM

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" used to be Mormon. If i still was, my involvement in BDSM would be in conflict with my religion, regardless of whether i was a slave or a submissive or a bottom."

You might want to rethink that. Let's play house.

You will do as I say when I say. This includes pleasuring me sexually as well as in every other way. You will take care of the house and kids. I will bring home the money, bacon or whatever. You do it the way I say and when I say. You have no say in the matter.

But if I don't tie you up once in a while, I see no conflict.

That is not my religion, but I know some. No matter what the Man does, he is forgiven. I know. He can beat her, anything he wants, and you know what ? In (around Spanish Fork) Utah half the cops support it and leave these Women in abusive circumstances with no way out.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 10:53:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
" used to be Mormon. If i still was, my involvement in BDSM would be in conflict with my religion, regardless of whether i was a slave or a submissive or a bottom."

You might want to rethink that. Let's play house.

You will do as I say when I say. This includes pleasuring me sexually as well as in every other way. You will take care of the house and kids. I will bring home the money, bacon or whatever. You do it the way I say and when I say. You have no say in the matter.

But if I don't tie you up once in a while, I see no conflict.

In the situation You describe there would be no conflict- until the participants started *labeling* it BDSM, or M/s, in which case i imagine all hell would break loose. i understand Your point, and by the way, i have family in Spanish Fork. A lot of my relatives live in relationships like that, particularly the older generation. But they don't *call* it BDSM, and i think they would be risking excommunication if they did.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 11:16:01 PM

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I think they should let kids have all the porn they want, but exposing them to religion at too early an age should warrant the death penalty. It is tantamount to poisoning them, just as if you put rat poison in their juice.

And you talk about sick motherfuckers whose minds are filled with shit?

K.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/13/2011 11:57:40 PM

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Where are you ? When do you think they get porn anyway ? As soon as they want it. The only thing society really does it make them hide it. Natural curousity. You think you can effectively fight that ? By the time I was ten I was a master spy. Crawling under a bed to find what I wanted. (I am not so sure we should stop this game really)

No, I guess I wouldn't really just give it to them. They have to hide it just like we did when we were kids. But give up the illusion. Fuck, all they have to do is to open the door when Mommy and Daddy are at it. If they ask what you're doing just say "playing". And if they got an idea, the jig is up anyway and they will be quiet. This is a forum where we get down to it, where we don't have to go by all the bullshit. So give up the facade. They know. I am not saying give them the nastiest shit we can find, but be realistic. What about works of art ? What about breastfeeding in a place where there are older siblings ?

We're getting into range for another thread here, I might just do it.

But since we got here in this thread, I will finish. We have an extreme responsibility to the young. Some measure of protection, but moreso to teach. In that, they watch zebras and giraffes and who knows what else mate. Even insects. But the human body is dirty. Smutty. Evil.

Don't step on those tacks, they're brass.

That is where religion got you. A Puritanical base from which to escape.

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ETA Really, that doesn't mean throw it right in their face, not at all. They'll find it on their own. But people shove religion down their throats every day, and THAT IS WRONG.

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RE: Does a single God/Godess exist and how do Jews, Chr... - 2/14/2011 1:28:46 AM

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ETA Really, that doesn't mean throw it right in their face, not at all. They'll find it on their own. But people shove religion down their throats every day, and THAT IS WRONG.

I was never forced to go to church. I went when I wanted to go, I didnt when I didnt. I raised my son exactly the same way. As did all my friends with their kids.

Quit living in the past. Its a whole new world.

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