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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 7:40:29 AM

sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: Nanako
I fail to see the problem here.

Noted

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People whon don't self designate, but are reported as pro-dommes, would be dealt with accordingly.

Taken out and shot?

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As far as I'm aware, domme profiles are the most viewed of all, due to the high volume of male submissives. It seems pretty ludicrous to think that any of them could get away with flouting the rules given the massive exposure they have.

As far as i am aware, it is a moot point. Since it is not a TOS violation, there would be no flouting of the rules.

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I'd expect most of them would want to self designate, to cut down on the massive volume of freebie hunters and timewasters.

That is not your call, is it?

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What good does a professional get from advertising to people who aren't looking to pay? A lot of pointless calls and nothing else.

Successful advertising is done to a wider market than simply those who are actively seeking. If there is no interest, there would be no calls, so no time is wasted on the part of either party.

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ORIGINAL: Nanako

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Let's say you're a generic member of this site. Let's say you send me a message. Let's say I ignore it, because as the generic member of this site you have not read my profile.
Let's say this makes you angry. So what do you do? You report me as an un-self-designated pro-domme, and I am 'dealt with accordingly'.

But then a moderator/admin/etc could look at your profile, see that it says nothing about pro-domming, and ignore the complaint.
In any event where someone is clearly a professional, but hasn't ticked the flag. The only moderator action needed would be changing the flag and sending a canned message mentioning that it has been done, and pointing out why, unless someone is persistently abusing the system, nothing beyond that is needed.

The moderators here are a bunch of dedicated volunteers who work their butts off. What you are suggesting is an enormous amount of work for them, as well as a huge potential for blacklisting.

Here is a novel idea. If you see a profile that does not interest you, dont look.

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Whether someone happens to be professional elsewhere in their life doesn't seem relevant to here.

So from your long term membership here you have deemed it unnecessary for us to list our chosen professions? Well i appreciate that, but what the hell am i going to do with all these on-line business cards?

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All that matters in this situation is whether or not the person is here as a professional or not.

Wrong. It does not matter. Really...it doesn't. It is not a TOS violation.

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Those who are professionals but choose not to write it on their profile? I don't see the problem.

Pro-Dommes everywhere have just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

In fact, the Domme on the far left is lookin' like she is gonna hyperventilate. Anyone have a paper bag?

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Let them stay un-flagged if they want.
That's pretty impossible to enforce anyways.

Aww come on now. Earlier you said the mods could do it. Lets get 'em off of their lazy butts and make them EARN their paychecks!!!

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RHO??!!!!

Come on Ladies....quit the gab-fest!!

Y'all gotz work to do!!

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Those who are professionals but choose not to write it on their profile? I don't see the problem. Let them stay un-flagged if they want. That's pretty impossible to enforce anyways.

Hold the phone, Einstein. Earlier you said these pro-dommes needed to be dealt with accordingly.

Now which is it...do we shot 'em or not??

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But what it will do is burden such people with lots of annoying emails to read through because they're looking for clients and advertising otherwise.

So they are getting annoying emails because they are looking for clients but not advertising?

Why is the volume and/or content of someone else's mail any of your business in any way?

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 10:03:56 AM

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 11:34:21 AM

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I seem to have offended lots of people, I'm sorry ;-;

I was trying to present a workable solution to a percieved problem, is all.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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I'd expect most of them would want to self designate, to cut down on the massive volume of freebie hunters and timewasters.
That is not your call, is it?

What do you mean? the above was a prediction of what I think would happen. It wasn't deciding or dictating anything, to anyone. it not being my call doesn't seem to make sense there

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Here is a novel idea. If you see a profile that does not interest you, dont look.

Well one would have to look in the first place to see :p
But this logic could be applied to the whole system. Why have a search at all? Why divide people into categories like sub and dom, or divide them by country. Why not just present a monolithic unsorted list of every profile, and let people sort through the 99% chaff to find someone that may be relevant?

Filters exist to help people find other compatible people. That's all. What's being proposed here is an extension to that existing system. Exactly how it could be implemented is what people are thinking about here.

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Whether someone happens to be professional elsewhere in their life doesn't seem relevant to here.

So from your long term membership here you have deemed it unnecessary for us to list our chosen professions? Well i appreciate that, but what the hell am i going to do with all these on-line business cards?

I meant that there's no reason why a pro-domme should have to list as such if she's not seeking clients here.

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All that matters in this situation is whether or not the person is here as a professional or not.

Wrong. It does not matter. Really...it doesn't. It is not a TOS violation.

"this situation" being a hypothetical implementation of the feature

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Let them stay un-flagged if they want.
That's pretty impossible to enforce anyways.

Aww come on now. Earlier you said the mods could do it. Lets get 'em off of their lazy butts and make them EARN their paychecks!!!

now you're just being silly :p

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Hold the phone, Einstein. Earlier you said these pro-dommes needed to be dealt with accordingly.

Now which is it...do we shot 'em or not??

I apologise for the poor choice of words. Accordingly would be whatever the community deems appropriate. I afterwards suggested merely amending the profile flag as a possible action.

I've had another think about it though, and it'd probably be best not to get moderators involved if possible. I had no idea about the scale of the site, I'm sorry.

Perhaps an alternative implementation, would be to simply present the flag as an entirely optional tickbox, which they can use or not use at their discretion. ^_^

What I want to know though, is why pro-dommes are allowed to advertise their services here, but I'm not allowed to advertise my escorting services.

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 11:36:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

I also suspect that you do not understand how vindictive some people can be when rejected. Ask almost any female dominant that has been here for any length of time, and she will tell you that it is not uncommon for males she has rejected or blocked to create a whole new profile simply to send nasty cmails. If they are willing to do that, do you really think they won't click a button and send a false report in the hopes of having the profile flagged or killed? I know that I would not like to be the person who has to slog through a mess of false reports because a couple of them are pros that didn't click the right box.

I do, I've been on the recieving end of plenty of vindictiveness myself.
But I don't see how the previously proposed implementation would affect this. There is already a "report user" button on profiles that mean people can abuse if they want to T_T

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 2:35:15 PM

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I seem to think I've seen this question before somewhere and I've also got the impression that some profiles on CM are not as open and accurate as one would wish. But one assumes that some profiles are actually honest summary descriptions.

The OP's query is of interest simply due to the fact that it appears so bloody often. Can anyone with experience of this give a rough guesstimate of the scale of the problem? For example one assumes from the frequency of similar posts that the profile ratios are not something like:-

Honestly and openly described lifestyle dommes                      33%
Honestly and openly described pro dommes                            33%
Dishonest pro dommes posing as apparent lifestyle dommes       34%

If the ratio were say 20:20:60 then it wouldn't seem too tiresome to expect a 1 in 4 result when seeking a lifestyle domme. If, however, it's 5:5:90 then I suppose a 1 in 20 success rate is more tedious.

One can see why it's not CM's problem, nor lifestyle dommes' problem; the solution would appear to be a subscription-based site where lifestyle dommes are vetted (subscriptions from subs only, to pay for the vetting service). As a reward for posting and enduring vetting, dommes are given some wonderful and worthwhile reward. What is it that lifestyle dommes wish for above all else? (Apart from shoes of course).

[A far, far more serious problem to solve is how to arrange for the poor over-worked dom blokes to get presented with perfect subs without any effort. A Nobel prize to the problem solver.]

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 2:36:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nanako

I was trying to present a workable solution to a percieved problem, is all.

Well there's yer problem right there. Most of us don't see it as a problem. So you're trying to get a website to conform to what you want for a perceived problem that doesn't exist.

Seriously... if you can't figure out the pros from their profiles, you're not trying ~~hard enough~~ at all.

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/15/2011 2:37:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nanako

What I want to know though, is why pro-dommes are allowed to advertise their services here, but I'm not allowed to advertise my escorting services.

Oh, I missed this part. You're stomping your foot and saying, "mommy, it's not fairrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

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RE: Pro Domme designation - 2/17/2011 11:40:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: Nanako

I fail to see the problem here.
People whon don't self designate, but are reported as pro-dommes, would be dealt with accordingly.

That right there is the problem.

Let's say you're a generic member of this site. Let's say you send me a message. Let's say I ignore it, because as the generic member of this site you have not read my profile.

Let's say this makes you angry. So what do you do? You report me as an un-self-designated pro-domme, and I am 'dealt with accordingly'.

Does that have anything to do with whether I'm actually a pro-domme?

No.

Member-flagging is only appropriate when the members can be trusted. I do not trust the members of this site to flag accurately.