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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 9:44:36 AM

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Oh, I've thought about it very deeply throughout my life and credit myself with being very intuitive. I'm so intuitive that I know if I write a big post about how intuitive I thought I really was and its effects on both myself and others around me, I know I'd be raked over the coals...

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 10:06:39 AM

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well, rulemylife, lol, it is obviously brought to more scrutiny than someone who gives advice (here) that they have a 'feeling' someone should or should not do such-n-such or 'in my experience you should/should not' sort of advice. I can just imagine if someone/anyone said...."last night I had a dream that you would be assaulted/loved/evicted/hit by a train" next week.

Such Psi or even pseudo-psi thoughts can have negative effects in the best of times, good or bad news.

I don't see bad/good events as such. (and it seems windchimes does--so far disclosed as in only a personal manner??), because everyone is different in both the interpretation, intended person and income alike.

But, there are millions who never disclose what they really foresaw, felt or envisioned. It is an much unused and untapped skilled if you ask me. There have been times and will be times again when it will be as valuable as gold.

*edit: also, I wouldn't care if I were 'raked over coals' since I have nothing to gain or lose nor do I know anyone here enough to predict or view anything of significance. I have been known to do so long-distance but it the outcome is rarely understood as fact. (ie: I told a guy who asked my remote viewing advice for a meet, I saw only shattered glass as if a pub fight were to occur and he would be injured. My mistake, turns out his girlfriend came to dump him, yet only came to the window of the pub and they exchanged glances and she left). My own fault, I interpreted the 'event' not in the passive but in the morbid emotional effect instead. He was, instead of worrying about 'her' he was worrying about events around him and possible harm from inside. He allowed time for her to park and return by letting her walk by. She never returned.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 10:25:17 AM

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well, rulemylife, lol, it is obviously brought to more scrutiny than someone who gives advice (here) that they have a 'feeling' someone should or should not do such-n-such or 'in my experience you should/should not' sort of advice. I can just imagine if someone/anyone said...."last night I had a dream that you would be assaulted/loved/evicted/hit by a train" next week.

Such Psi or even pseudo-psi thoughts can have negative effects in the best of times, good or bad news.

I don't see bad/good events as such. (and it seems windchimes does--so far disclosed as in only a personal manner??), because everyone is different in both the interpretation, intended person and income alike.

But, there are millions who never disclose what they really foresaw, felt or envisioned. It is an much unused and untapped skilled if you ask me. There have been times and will be times again when it will be as valuable as gold.

*edit: also, I wouldn't care if I were 'raked over coals' since I have nothing to gain or lose nor do I know anyone here enough to predict or view anything of significance. I have been known to do so long-distance but it the outcome is rarely understood as fact. (ie: I told a guy who asked my remote viewing advice for a meet, I saw only shattered glass as if a pub fight were to occur and he would be injured. My mistake, turns out his girlfriend came to dump him, yet only came to the window of the pub and they exchanged glances and she left). My own fault, I interpreted the 'event' not in the passive but in the morbid emotional effect instead. He was, instead of worrying about 'her' he was worrying about events around him and possible harm from inside. He allowed time for her to park and return by letting her walk by. She never returned.

I once had a dream that there was a thread on Collarme where people claimed they saw future events.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 10:26:09 AM

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The fact is magical thinking is what leads people to believe stupid shit like cutting taxes will result in more revenue. We live in a wonderfully complicated world without need to believe in silly crap like prophecies. If more people were brave enough to confront reality head on without the crutch of some sort of woo we would be much better off.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 11:06:50 AM

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Are these the same people who believed in the fairytale of the banking system, Federal Reserve, stock market and truth in the politicians they supposedly voted for?

Yes, reality without crutch has worked so far, and will forever :)

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 12:54:20 PM

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Does your mind sometimes cause street lights to burn out?

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 2:41:06 PM

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If more people were brave enough to confront reality head on without the crutch of some sort of woo we would be much better off.

Defense Intelligence Agency Woo, Part 1 ~presentation begins at 2:20, 47 min.
Defense Intelligence Agency Woo, Part 2 ~conclusion and questions, 45 min.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 3:35:15 PM

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yeah my sisters and aunts like to pass around these kinds of stories. I usually just shake my head and think they are nuts which if you knew them....they are.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 6:04:39 PM

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Does your mind sometimes cause street lights to burn out?

lol, not that I know of. I am a bad driver though, been known to knock some out for that reason though. lol

Aylee mentioned that on page one, she used it as an example of one form of the phenomenon out there.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/16/2011 9:50:21 PM

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and to the OP, Heretic.

your only problem is you think about the whole ideal too much, the anticipation of getting a 'viewing', the meaning of and looking for the realization in an end result. That in itself clouds the issue with the possibility of creating events out of the though of events via the subliminal dream-event. In other words, you THINK too much. Doing that, you likely miss 70% of any true and dire information necessary for every day events that are to unfold.

I'm not sure where you are getting that, Came. I don't go looking for these things in my life. They just show up when they do, and I'm perfectly happy to put oddities down to coincidence when that is the simple explanation. But I don't lock myself into spasms of denial when something happens that doesn't fit. A few months ago, just for an example, I woke up in the middle of the night and was standing right next to the phone when I got a call that my father was having a heart attack (he's fine - modern cath labs are a wonderful thing). The thing is, I wake up in the middle of the night all the time. Now I had a bad feeling when I said "hello," but 1:30 a.m. phone calls are plenty ominous anyway. The best to be hoped for was a druggie with a wrong number. There's no "there" in there.

It's good to be cynical, because, here be true believers, and many will want to sell the seeker a robe of the proper color.

It's good to be real, because we should want to understand, not win.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 5:45:12 AM

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If more people were brave enough to confront reality head on without the crutch of some sort of woo we would be much better off.

Defense Intelligence Agency Woo, Part 1 ~presentation begins at 2:20, 47 min.
Defense Intelligence Agency Woo, Part 2 ~conclusion and questions, 45 min.

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What a colosal waste of our taxes.

Note that these programs never resulted in anything which saved any lives or aided our intelligence activities in any way. Every claim of succesful 'remote viewing,' and there's only a few even according to the believers, was only decided to be correct well after the fact.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 2:30:26 PM

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Note that these programs never resulted in anything which saved any lives or aided our intelligence activities in any way. Every claim of succesful 'remote viewing,' and there's only a few even according to the believers, was only decided to be correct well after the fact.

Oh hey, don't worry. I always take your word for things. I never really pay any attention to what other people say, or to anything else I know. I'm good church people.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 3:49:25 PM

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Note that these programs never resulted in anything which saved any lives or aided our intelligence activities in any way. Every claim of succesful 'remote viewing,' and there's only a few even according to the believers, was only decided to be correct well after the fact.

Oh hey, don't worry. I always take your word for things. I never really pay any attention to what other people say, or to anything else I know. I'm good church people.

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The CIA, DIA etc. abandoned the research and the results are public. Look it up yourself. They never had a positive result.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 3:52:31 PM

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The CIA, DIA etc. abandoned the research and the results are public. Look it up yourself. They never had a positive result.

Hey, I swear, I believe you... Not a single positive result. Check. No use at all. Check. Whatever you say.

Don't report me, please?

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 5:14:19 PM

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The CIA, DIA etc. abandoned the research and the results are public. Look it up yourself. They never had a positive result.

Hey, I swear, I believe you... Not a single positive result. Check. No use at all. Check. Whatever you say.

Don't report me, please?

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And you have the balls to complain when people reply to you with snark.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 5:36:30 PM

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I once had a dream that there was a thread on Collarme where people claimed they saw future events.

That was actually my dream, and somehow you read my dream, thinking it was really YOUR dream. How weird is that?

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/17/2011 7:26:00 PM

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Does your mind sometimes cause street lights to burn out?

Nope. Sometimes street and parking lot lights will reset themselves, and go dark for a bit. If you are open to the possibility that living things seem to create, and respond to, forms of energy science cannot yet recognize, then such an interaction isn't outside the realm of possibility. Or, it could easily be pure coincidence.

Sometimes those lights will reset at the darnedest times, though. Just when a date tells you she won't suck your dick right there on the park bench because someone will see, for example. It seems even the most belligerent of atheists would offer a tiny little "thank you!" to the universe in such a moment.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/20/2011 11:06:33 AM

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My girls parents had the power company put in a street light on the telephone pole by their lake house not realizing how frequently those things can go through the overheat/shut off to cool down cycle. It's annoying as hell and almost certain to at some point occur with a timing that someone will find profound simply because of how frequently it happens, the number of people who walk by and humanities propensity for magical thinking.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/20/2011 12:28:09 PM

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Here's another example of the "magical thinking" you mention, Got. Unless you are sitting right on top of the fault, earthquakes start with a fast moving jolt, followed by the slower-moving shaking, moments later. People can easily be awakened by the jolt without being aware of what happened, then find significance in waking right before the shaking starts. Nothing there.

This in no way negates the experience of the woman who wakes up from an intense dream that she is picking up the shards of her heirloom china and crying, tells her best friend about the dream that morning, gets a call from her sister, who dreamed about the china as well, and the new china hutch dumps the contents in a temblor that afternoon, leaving exactly the scene of destruction she saw in her dream.

Now, if we use the criteria of the attempted debunking paper I posted earlier in the thread, we have to rule out the sister's dream as potentially telepathic, rather than precognitive, but otherwise and as noted at the beginning of Kirata's link, there is something going on here.

I'm not bothered that science cannot explain this. It is bothersome that science prefers a position of aggressive denial before admitting that.

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RE: Spooky dreams (not about the Amish) - 2/20/2011 12:59:35 PM

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Or it could be simple coincidence.

Or the second women may have lied when she claimed to have had the same dream.

Or both women could have felt a minor temblor in their sleep which caused the dream.

Which is why anecdotes are not evidence.

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