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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:35:10 AM

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...and yet- the GOP is part of the process- I mean- they cant get anything done w/o them. So- essentially- the GOP is part of this same train wreck.

Besides we are not as broke as they say we are.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:41:24 AM

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Bloated military?

We are at the lowest numbers since Viet Nam. We have spent our money on research and development, better weaponry, improved mobility and communications, which has made our military more cost effective and operationally effective.

Even the Obama Administration says that we must fix some other stuff first like social security and medicare. Yes, there are improvements that can be made in the DOD budget, but bloated? Not any more than any other department. They are doing more with less thanks to their R&D.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:42:58 AM

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Yes, bloated military. Numbers of troops notwithstanding, way more fancy toys and budget than is needed.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:46:00 AM

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Not a problem. We can always go back to rocks and bricks and pay $13 a month. That is true. Of course those fancy toys keep the number of troops, number of casualities and potential collateral damage down compared to wars past. And the troops didn't pick the war. The politicians did. So we can ask the politicians to just bring them home not problem. Then we can wait for it to come to our shores again.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:48:13 AM

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Yes, bloated military. Numbers of troops notwithstanding, way more fancy toys and budget than is needed.

Ken has no clue. NONE. We spend 10x more - then the next country- and have over 700 bases.

Cut it in half- and then we can talk. Until then- it is a joke... at our expense.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:49:39 AM

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Well the great thing about the military is that it is the best investment we have ever made. You can't put a price on freedom. Plus it is authorized in the Constitution. I would estimate that 80% of their budget is not authorized by the Constitution.

The House has revealed that this new budget includes about $8 worth of new taxes for each $1 in spending cuts. it's also a fact that he has ran up the national debt $4 trillion in 2.5 years, but he has the nerve to brag that it will reduce the deficits by $1.5 trillion over 10 years. Do the math people.

Obama is still trying to deceive Americans.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 7:51:00 AM

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House revelations are about as worthless as yours, so thanks for that, your posts make prison planet seem moderate and intelligent.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:00:03 AM

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I think we should sell Cuck, Sanity, racer, ken and Joe- to help pay for the military industrial complex.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:01:41 AM

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Bloated military?

We are at the lowest numbers since Viet Nam. We have spent our money on research and development, better weaponry, improved mobility and communications, which has made our military more cost effective and operationally effective.

Even the Obama Administration says that we must fix some other stuff first like social security and medicare. Yes, there are improvements that can be made in the DOD budget, but bloated? Not any more than any other department. They are doing more with less thanks to their R&D.

Uhhh...........bullshit.

The Federal Pie Chart

Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,650 billion
MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion
NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:01:42 AM

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Actually PA we are ranked second by total expenditures and 25th by GDP (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm)

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:10:33 AM

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The 18% VA budget isn't a part of the Defense Appropriation last I heard. The VA was established as a cabinet level department (just like DOD or Tres or whomever) on March 15, 1989. Therefore again, the VA budget isn't a part of the DOD appropriation.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:16:28 AM

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Actually PA we are ranked second by total expenditures and 25th by GDP (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm)

6 inches of snow- brings gridlock to the country. We cant plow roads- run airplanes- or trains- and have rolling black outs-

Why do you think this is? And is this acceptable to you?

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:22:20 AM

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What planet are you living on?

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 9:29:25 AM

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The 18% VA budget isn't a part of the Defense Appropriation last I heard. The VA was established as a cabinet level department (just like DOD or Tres or whomever) on March 15, 1989. Therefore again, the VA budget isn't a part of the DOD appropriation.

So what? It's still part of defence spending. A part I'm in favor of but part none the less.

The simple fact is we need to cut our defence budget by at least half. We spend way too much now that the Cold War is over.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 12:55:06 PM

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The 18% VA budget isn't a part of the Defense Appropriation last I heard. The VA was established as a cabinet level department (just like DOD or Tres or whomever) on March 15, 1989. Therefore again, the VA budget isn't a part of the DOD appropriation.

And last I heard George W. didn't include the cost of the wars in our annual budget, which explains why the deficit suddenly ballooned when honest accounting was used.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 2:06:57 PM

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Theyre putting the bill together right now, there are no magic wands.

When theyre done then you can scream about their heartless budget cuts, until then you will undoubtedly whine because you have nothing to scream about.

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no, actual on paper proposals in the form of a bill.. That is his fucking job isnt it? Or is going on faux news equal to actually proposing legislation. Boner and the pillsbury dough boy have had over a month to craft a proposal. yet, to today, not a fucking thing. I thought they had everything all done up in the latest contract on america. How about the tea bagger bozos......rand paul put anything forward yet? Michelle Bachman have a bill she is pushing forward? No all around. Just talk talk talk talk and more talk...

Strange. I thought that is what the baggers ran on.....that they already had a plan to put into place........

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 2:09:48 PM

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Bloated military?

We are at the lowest numbers since Viet Nam. We have spent our money on research and development, better weaponry, improved mobility and communications, which has made our military more cost effective and operationally effective.

Even the Obama Administration says that we must fix some other stuff first like social security and medicare. Yes, there are improvements that can be made in the DOD budget, but bloated? Not any more than any other department. They are doing more with less thanks to their R&D.

Who you going to go fight dumbass....Thanks to your buddy bush we've lost the last two we got into. Thank god his father saved the kuwaiti democracy for all time...oh wait....they aren't a democracy they are a dictatorship.....well anyway....who you going to fight dumbass

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 5:52:50 PM

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I see Obama budget mostly as a political decision. They have given up attempts to do anything about economy. "Budget cut" is obviously just for political reasons (most Americans are weak with math). Obama has decided to play "slow recovery" and "new normal" (high unemployment) game with the hope to successfully drag it through the elections. He does not have time to shake things up even if he wanted to, as it would cause downturn first, before the economy moves towards getting better. I actually doubt he has good control over economy. He has demonstrated poor understanding. We should not expect much from the constitutional layer who does not follow the constitution (Patriot Act, Health care). The most likely there will be slow downturn of the economy this year. It is likely the unemployment will increase. There will be high inflation and the US dollar will slide more against other currencies

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:18:21 PM

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"Tough choices" my ass. Whatever slim chance this gutless bastard had of getting my vote in 2012 just exploded in flames, and I swear to god there is absolutely zero chance I will vote for him again. He is completely ignoring every single one of the bold and insightful recommendations of the bipartisan budget commission he personally appointed last year, because he doesn't have the balls to do the right thing if he thinks it will piss people off.

I'm finally ashamed to admit I voted for this empty suit.

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RE: Obamas Tough Budget Cuts - 2/15/2011 8:30:57 PM

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"Tough choices" my ass. Whatever slim chance this gutless bastard had of getting my vote in 2012 just exploded in flames, and I swear to god there is absolutely zero chance I will vote for him again. He is completely ignoring every single one of the bold and insightful recommendations of the bipartisan budget commission he personally appointed last year, because he doesn't have the balls to do the right thing if he thinks it will piss people off.

I'm finally ashamed to admit I voted for this empty suit.

I am going to disagree with you Panda.
I plan to vote for President Obama, AGAIN, unless the other candidate impresses ME, as a BETTER CHOICE.

Maybe, President Obama is having a hard time making very tough choices, because many Americans including President Obama, find it hard to swallow "tough choices".

We are not going through a "phase" and the new America, is going to be very different than the old America, and many people will be lowering their standard of living.

Many of the smarter people are going to realize, that they have to change their expectations, and even their entire view of "what matters most in life".

Getting down to basics is going to be a lot more than just lip service for many people.

The President is going to HAVE to work with Congress and they will work out an agreement.
More interesting is going to be how joe public deals with what is certainly coming our way.

I think you are being harsh when it comes to President Obama, and that is fine.
President Obama wears big boy panties, and I think he will be just fine.

IF a better candidate comes along, hell I will vote for him.
But looking over the Presidents we have had the last 30 years??????
lol, I will be voting for my Prezzie Obama.

President Obama has a hard time cutting many government programs and services, at at time that many NEED these services the most.
That makes him a caring person, with a good heart. {in my book}

After all the cuts are made, I hope that Congress goes ahead and just creates an area for a really large tent city.
Maybe we can allocate a state where all the poor, needy, desperate, and disenfranchised can go live in.
Why not give them New Jersey?
Do we have any empty Indian reservations?

I still say, we are no where near the bottom, and many people {including President Obama}, find it hard to wrap their heads around and can't deal with the reality that will be coming our way.

Many people don't like admitting, that what is coming may not be pretty.

Peace

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