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LaTigresse -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:21:28 AM)

 
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What was incorrect?


"The upper crust are typically Catholic, Protestant, ect, those religions who are more concerned about how they look on sunday, as opposed to Baptist... who are more concerned with how they act on sunday. "

"Its the underclass who has abortions, as opposed to the professional or upper class who has DnC's. When mommy and daddy cant afford to give jane a college education, a real future to reach for, then she reaches for whats left."



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:22:00 AM)

And what do you think a D&C is for?



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:23:28 AM)

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"Its the underclass who has abortions, as opposed to the professional or upper class who has DnC's. When mommy and daddy cant afford to give jane a college education, a real future to reach for, then she reaches for whats left."


Again, though I mispelled it.. lol.. a D&C is what they call an abortion when they dont want it labled an abortion.. especially for insurance purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage

So, what I posted is hardly incorrect.



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:31:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

That abortion is for poor people. Which was another great generalization


66% of abortions are done by those at or below the poverty level. But, if you add in those who have the same exact procedure based upon terming it something else, the numbers would almost even out.

D&Cs are commonly performed for the diagnosis of gynecological conditions leading to 'abnormal uterine bleeding';[4] to resolve abnormal uterine bleeding (too much, too often or too heavy a menstrual flow);[2] to remove the excess uterine lining in women who have conditions such as polycystic ovary syndrome (which cause a prolonged buildup of tissue with no natural period to remove it);[citation needed] to remove tissue in the uterus that may be causing abnormal vaginal bleeding,[1] including postpartum retained placenta;[5] to remove retained tissue (also known as retained POC or retained products of conception) in the case of a missed or incomplete miscarriage;[3] and as a method of abortion that is now uncommon.[1] In contrast, D&C remains 'standard care' for missed and incomplete miscarriage in many countries despite the existence of alternatives currently used for abortions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage

So, no, the procedure isnt for poor people, just the term.



Moonhead -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:38:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Agreed. The religious right will have us right back in the Dark Ages if we are not careful.

The collapse of all the schools and colleges with the fall of the Roman Empire has crossed my mind a few time when I read about the bullshit the tossers are pulling with your public school system, to be honest. What really worries me is the way that bullshit's taken root over here as well.



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:55:45 AM)

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"The upper crust are typically Catholic, Protestant, ect, those religions who are more concerned about how they look on sunday, as opposed to Baptist... who are more concerned with how they act on sunday. "



Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% as Catholic.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.pdf



Moonhead -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:56:57 AM)

You'd expect a higher percentage of catholics given the whole "no rubbers" thing...



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 8:58:04 AM)

LOL... as I have pointed out on religious threads... just because the Pope says it doesnt mean the flock follows it.



Moonhead -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 9:05:32 AM)

Very true. He's down on abortion as well, if memory serves.
He's cool with fascism and silly hats, though...



jack8007 -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 11:25:52 AM)

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That a State has enacted a law to make it legal to kill abortion Doctors?Do you belong in the Dark Ages? truely America is a very strange and frightening place!!


You should consider it political posturing.    Loudmouth politicians get up and shout safely about ignorant things that they know will never hold up in court, so they are relieved of responsibility for such dumbass ideas, and then of course blame the courts and others who actually have to do things, for whatever happens.    Did it rain yesterday?  Or not?  Either way, you just blame some liberal judge.

Politics in an active democracy is interactive entertainment - you can get just as involved and excited as you choose, and all it costs is your time.   Americans almost never put as much effort into figuring things out as they put into crying about them.   OK, so they *never* do.

And I'm not so sure Mother Jones is telling the whole story either.





tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 11:44:15 AM)

An incendiary story by Mother Jones making the rounds on the Web reports that a law being considered in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to apply to killings intended to prevent harm to unborn children. Mother Jones writes that the measure "could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions."

I just had a spirited conversation with the bill's chief sponsor, State Representative Phil Jensen, and he defended the bill, arguing that it would not legalize the killing of abortion doctors.

"It would if abortion was illegal," he told me. "This code only deals with illegal acts. Abortion is legal in this country. This has nothing to do with abortion."

Jensen's defense of the bill, however, is unlikely to make abortion rights advocates any happier, since he seemed to dismiss as irrelevant the possibility that the measure could inflame anti-abortion fanatics to violence.

Jensen insisted that the bill's primary goal is to bring "consistency" to South Dakota criminal code, which already allows people who commit crimes that result in the death of fetuses to be charged with manslaughter. The new measure expands the state's definition of "justifiable homicide" by adding a clause applying it to someone who is "resisting any attempt" to murder of an unborn child or to harm an unborn child in a way likely to result in its death.

When I asked Jensen what the purpose of the law was, if its target isn't abortion providers, he provided the following example:

"Say an ex-boyfriend who happens to be father of a baby doesn't want to pay child support for the next 18 years, and he beats on his ex-girfriend's abdomen in trying to abort her baby. If she did kill him, it would be justified. She is resisting an effort to murder her unborn child."

Pushed on whether the new measure could inflame the unhinged to kill abortion doctors, as some critics allege, Jensen scoffed. "You can fantasize all you want, but this is pretty clear cut," he said. "Never say never, but if some loony did what you're suggesting, then this law wouldn't apply to them. It wouldn't be justifiable homicide."

Asked whether he was conceding that the law could conceivably encourage such behavior, Jensen pushed back: "You could cross the street and get hit by a car. Could happen, couldn't it?"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/south_dakota_legislator_defend.html



thishereboi -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 11:50:43 AM)

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"Say an ex-boyfriend who happens to be father of a baby doesn't want to pay child support for the next 18 years, and he beats on his ex-girfriend's abdomen in trying to abort her baby. If she did kill him, it would be justified. She is resisting an effort to murder her unborn child."


I am not sure why they would need to change anything in this case. I'm pretty sure if a women is being beat to this extent by someone, she already has the right to defend herself and kill the bastard if she has to.



tazzygirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 11:58:46 AM)

Its confusing, for sure. His answers for the extremes arent very comforting either.



thishereboi -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 11:59:31 AM)

No they sure aren't



joether -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 12:24:45 PM)

Actually AZ is *STILL* nuts, but there seems to be room for other states. Why is it the red states that have stupid and/or insane people in goverment?



Moonhead -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 1:30:45 PM)

She's not going to have any trouble taking the cunt to court for GBH, come to that.



Termyn8or -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 1:42:49 PM)

FR

This whole country is nuts. Know what I think ? I don't think they should be allowed to make any new laws. Not until the old ones expire. And yes, laws would expire every so many years. Make them go to work and vote on that, instead of writing new bullshit.

Even our buddy Pon Paul tried to get something like this slipped in on a national level. As right as he is about many things, he's got his head up his ass on others.

We need toi legislate everything now ? You go drive like an asshole and kill a pregnant Woman, you are charged with two killings. Sure you can fight on the grounds that they can't prove this would've been a viable birth. They also can't prove that the Woman did not intend to have an abortion. Therefore you can WIN ! You only get convicted of one murder ! Isn't that great ? See how, every day someone is getting away with this ? But our legislators are on the ball to fix this massive miscarriage of justus. Yeperee, think of the fine money they can hope to get, and more prison money for their ugly brother in laws who have to run the penal system because they can't get elected. No sex appeal.

Ron Paul is so much smarter than these guys. He would have it so if a pregnant Woman endangers herself during the pregnancy she can be punished. Presumably even for getting drunk and falling down a flight of stairs. No doubt this would include failure to follow doctor's orders. Rom Paul is an MD, but that's just a coincidence. (look into patient compliance sometime, it is viewed as a huge issue by some)

I really don't want to attack the Man's character, except in the sense that David Crockett was "attacked" by Horatio Bunce. A good Man for sure, but misguided. I don't care if these people want to do God's will or even if they just want to look like it, they fucking do not represent God, hey represent Us. God doesn't sign their paychecks, and God can't vote them out. Unfortunately neither can we.

This is just another reason I am leaning to the opinion that of all things in this country that should be outsourced, it should be government. Now that China's in the game, maybe the Japanese have some spare time.

T^T



Moonhead -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 1:56:05 PM)

You'd be whining even more if the Chinese were running your country, hard as that may be to believe.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 2:09:15 PM)

What about doctors who only perform abortions for medical reasons? I knew someone who had an abortion years ago because not ending the pregnancy endangered her life. She was married and had 2 other children that needed her alive to take care of them. Would a law like this make it legal to kill a doctor who performed an occasional abortion to save a woman's life? Or is the attitude it doesn't matter why an abortion was performed, just that it was performed. I'm glad I don't live in that state.



Termyn8or -> RE: And we thought AZ was nuts (2/17/2011 2:29:05 PM)

"You'd be whining even more if the Chinese were running your country, hard as that may be to believe."

I dunno, with this "free trade" we can send product designs in the form of a blueprint and they can make it usually. That means they might be able to follow instructions.

T^T



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