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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 10:23:21 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Nonsense, no matter how many times you type bullshit.

I even linked you to the figures. Wisconsin teachers earn an average of $49,xxx/years, as do Wisconsin workers generally.

And yes, they can and do opt out.

Wisconsin, incidentally, is hardly a mecca for teachers. They can make substantially more elsewhere. NY, for example, pays an average of $66,xxx/yr (though that's below the average state income in the high $70s).

We do have private schools, and there's no monopoly--people are free to attend them.

And if they wanted to do so, more people would. After all, they even consider school districts when choosing a home.






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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 10:26:46 AM   
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One has to account for cost of living, which you obviously didnt.




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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 10:31:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since I specifically mentioned the difference, obviously I did.

The cost of living in NY varies immensely, from very low in many areas to outrageously expensive downstate.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 10:36:48 AM   
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If I were being generous I would grant that you may have thought you were alluding to it.

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Since I specifically mentioned the difference, obviously I did.

The cost of living in NY varies immensely, from very low in many areas to outrageously expensive downstate.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 11:50:52 AM   
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Quote of Sanity

"Bullshit. The teachers have no choice, its confiscated from their pay and they have no say in the matter. Taxpayer money goes directly to the Democrat party via the unions."

Untrue whether by ignorance or design.

In many states, you don't have to join the union to teach.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 11:55:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


According to the sources Ive found thats the total cost to the district per teacher

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He was talking about those "total compensation packages" that the board puts out to piss off the taxpayers. If theirs is anything like Mine was, it's utter bullshit.


Your "sources" is a youtube of a fat chick with a laptop.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 2:13:51 PM   
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Its okay, arpig - I never expected that Canadians were capable of getting the joke either.
Canadians or anyone else for that matter.


Canadians are actually pretty funny.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 8:05:58 PM   
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Wis. GOP ups pressure on Dems to return and vote


MADISON, Wis. – Wisconsin Republicans on Sunday upped the pressure on Democrats who fled to Illinois to return home and vote on an anti-union bill, with the governor calling them obstructionists and a GOP lawmaker threatening to convene without them. Gov. Scott Walker said the 14 minority Democrats who left Madison on Thursday were failing to do their jobs by "hiding out" in another state. And Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said his chamber would meet Tuesday to act on non-spending bills and confirm some of the governor's appointees even if the Democrats don't show up — a scenario that should outrage their constituents.

Senate Democrats acknowledged that the 19 Republicans could pass any item that doesn't spend state money in their absence. The budget-repair bill they have been blocking requires a quorum of 20 senators to pass, while other measures require only a simple majority of the chamber's 33 members.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/20/2011 11:03:51 PM   
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I'm sorry about being 'elitist' I just had this idea that people who work harder on their education should be paid better than dropouts.

Then we will have to disagree. While education is one factor of what a particular job is 'worth' as regards to pay, I don't think that it should be the only consideration.
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Hell, let's just all drop out in grade 6 and let the government feed us.

You are making no sense. Different people have different abilities, and there is nothing wrong with that. The people in question work hard for their money doing, I say for the umpteenth time, a job that most of us wouldn't or couldn't do, no matter the pay. Same goes for police officers and firefighters, many of whom make good money without earning a 4 year degree. 
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By the way, Commercial divers have higher fatality rates than garbage men and more physically demanding work. I know, I did it to pay my way thru grad school
Hmmm... and the starting pay for full time commercial divers is, at least today, quite a bit higher than that for starting teachers, isn't it? That said, I couldn't find commercial divers on any list of top 20 dangerous jobs.

Did you mean commercial drivers, perhaps? If so, my point about the pay still stands.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 12:26:20 AM   
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I think you have no idea what it is you're claiming. In 2 decades of work post degree I've never been required to attend a seminar or the like and no company I've ever worked for or interviewed with had any such requirements. Neither have any company of any of my friends who are all college graduates and work for companies of various sizes and in various industries.

Experiences apparently differ, depending on what field of employment is being discussed. My degree is in biology and ecology, and much of my outside experience and education is in the areas of HazMat and emergency medicine. Keeping current via continuing education classes and renewing certifications is a requirement for people in my fields. Just as you pulled from your experiences, I pulled from mine.



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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 12:50:37 AM   
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I think you have no idea what it is you're claiming. In 2 decades of work post degree I've never been required to attend a seminar or the like and no company I've ever worked for or interviewed with had any such requirements. Neither have any company of any of my friends who are all college graduates and work for companies of various sizes and in various industries.


I did a little search at the Pennsylvania Board of Licensure site... here is what I found...

Accountancy license renewal

License renewal cycle and fees:
Licenses expire December 31st of every odd-numbered year. The Board mails renewal notices two to three months prior to the license expiration date. Notices are mailed to the most recent address the licensee has reported to the Board. The Postal Service does not forward licenses.
Accountancy Firm $100.00
Certified Public Accountant $100.00
Public Accountant $100.00
Program Sponsor $150.00
Continuing Professional Education - Completion of eighty (80) hours in programs approved by the Board. The reporting period for licensees shall be January 1 of even-numbered years to December 31 of odd-numbered years. A minimum of twenty (20) credit hours shall be taken each year.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/state_board_of_accounting/12502/licensure_information/571992#License

Nursing

Have you completed a minimum of 30 hours of Board approved continuing education between May 1, 2009 and April 30, 2011?
Do not send materials now. The Board will conduct an audit at a later date.

Per the renewal application...

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/state_board_of_nursing/12515

Optometry

Completion of 30 hours of board approved continuing education is required for renewal. Only Optometrists licensed at the glaucoma level must carry professional liability insurance in the minimum amount of $1,000,000 per occurrence and $3,000,000 per annual aggregate. All other Optometrists must have the insurance in the minimum amount of $200,000 per occurrence and $600,000 per annual aggregate.


Lawyers

Rule 105

(a) General Requirement
1. Every active lawyer shall annually complete, during the compliance period to which he or she is assigned, the CLE required by the Board pursuant to these rules and established in Board regulations.
2. CLE shall be on the subjects of: (i) substantive law, practice and procedure
(ii) lawyer ethics and the rules of professional conduct
(iii) professionalism
(iv) substance abuse as it affects lawyers and the practice of law

3. The minimum annual CLE requirement shall be nine (9) hours, effective September 1, 1994, and twelve (12) hours, effective September 1, 1995.


(b) Fulfillment Requirements
The CLE requirement shall be fulfilled by attending the required number of CLE courses by providers or completing a CLE activity approved by the Board as sufficient to meet the CLE general requirement.

(c) Every newly admitted attorney shall attend the Bridge the Gap program, of at least four (4) credit hours, sponsored by approved Bridge the Gap CLE provider prior to his or her first compliance deadline.

https://www.pacle.org/about/rulesregs.asp

Im sure if you poke around your own state web site for licensure you will find many of these listed and more.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Canadians are actually pretty funny.

Yep indeedy...



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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:18:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is just spin.
Show me the provision that prevents collective bargaining.
The bill would require the results of collective bargaining to be approved by the voters.
Which is a far cry from preventing collective bargaining.
It would just remove most incentive for unions to buy the votes of Dim lawmakers to support ever-increasing wage and benefit demands from these unions.
Which is why the Wis Dim Senate is in hiding- the bill would hurt their campaign contributions.

It would in no way prevent collective bargaining.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:21:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


You seem to have lapsed in your command of English. The original statement, obviously, meant labor union.


You can make the argument that you believe labor unions are necessary for this or that kind of economy, or for a certain desired result, perhaps some kind of "economic justice". You can argue that labor unions are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and better than electrified nipple nipple clamps and a Kalis Teeth Bracelet, but it's just stupid to argue that it's a "cornerstone in the concept of a (political/economic) union".

Is English not your first language?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:27:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I get quite tired of this argument. which is decades old.
WV union: "Teachers make more in Md. Pay us more or we will go elsewhere."
Md union: " Teachers make more in NJ. Pay us more or we will go elsewhere."
NJ union: " Teachers make more in NY. Pay us more or we will go elsewhere."
NY union: "Have you seen the cost of living here? Pay us more or we will go elsewhere."

Time to draw the line.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:37:15 AM   
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. So if you dont want Unions to be allowed to donate to Democrats, make a law and get it passed


Damn!!!! Why didn't anyone think of that except you.??? Why did't Gov Walker think of that???? Damn!!!! You really are the genius you think you are.

Why, somebode intelligent could even pass a law just removing the incentive for the unions to buy elections for Dims!!!!!

Oh. Wait.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:40:42 AM   
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Don't feel bad. No one else can either.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:43:15 AM   
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How do you see it as tax dollars?


Boy, that's a standout there. Highlight reel for sure. When's the last time you were dropped on your head? Does it even hurt anymore?

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:47:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are comparing the earnings of a single teacher to that of a household, typically comprised of at least two earners.
You are leaving out the gold-plated bennies of the teachers.
Epic fail.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/21/2011 5:50:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Yeah, I didn't think you could defend "collective bargaining" as a cornerstone of "the concept of a union".
Don't feel bad. No one else can either.


Well gosh golly and gee whiz, I'm sure I can help out.

Actually it is pretty self-evident.

Isn't collective bargaining the definition of a union?

Let's look and see:


labor union 

an organization of wage earners or salaried employees for mutual aid and protection and for dealing collectively with employers; trade union.

(Dictionary.com)


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