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mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:16:56 AM)

yes, 5% in FTEs if we extend that logic--- FTEs in the republican party to minneapolis airport blowjobbers, you are at well over 70% of them doing it. 




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:18:09 AM)


Official teacher compensation tables for Wisconsin:

http://www.wasb.org/teacher-qeo-total-compensation-data-3.html

In many districts the total compensation (or taxpayer expense per teacher) is well over 100k / year.





joether -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:21:33 AM)

"the Mubarak of the Midwest"

That is how guitarist Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine discribed Scott Walker and the debat raging in Wisconsin. Mr. Morello plans to play for the protesters today.

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From Source.

Calling the proposed budget law "unjust," Morello said he will join "teachers, students, firefighters, policemen, Green Bay Packers, nurses, steel workers, construction workers and religious groups that are filling the streets to protest."

He referred to Walker as "the Mubarak of the Midwest" in reference to the Egyptian leader ousted by popular protest, and accused the governor and unnamed corporate allies of trying to "rob American workers of their fundamental rights."


I myself have never really listen to RAtM's stuff. Still, its good to have non-union members supporting union members on something like this. Mr. Walker's actions were a mystery to myself until the following blurb in the same article was read:

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"If we're going to ask our state and local workers who are doing a great job to pay a little bit more, to sacrifice, to help to balance this budget, we should also give them the flexibility saying that for those members, for those workers, who don't want to be a part of the union, if you don't want that deduction each month out of the paycheck, they should be able to get that $500, $600 or in some cases, $1,000 back that they can apply for their health care and their pension contribution," Walker said.


This alone I think shows how much of a sleaze Gov. Scott Walker really is all about. If you dont want to be a member of a Union: Then dont work for a company that has a Union (this is pretty damn, brain dead, simple to understand). However, Gov. Walker's angle is to allow Union members the option to not pay the fee (from restricted to voluntary). And while that might be good on its own, it really is not when you figure in what he's not telling conservatives (the segment that STILL, just doesn't 'get it'). Those Union members *HAVE* to pay MORE for health insurance (not just the rate, but the additional expenditure), because it is manditatory for all US Citizens (Under the ACA of 2010). So essentially, he is trying to starve Unions of money (by forcing members to choose between health insurance for their families, or being in trouble with the federal goverment). By doing this, Gov. Walker does three things:

A) Removes power from Union's ability to threaten strikes towards Management.
B) Makes any strikes that do take place, less severe and very short (allowing Management to 'wait out' their opponents).
C) Easier to bully middle and lower class workers out of a hard day's wage.

I may dislike Unions from time to time, but THIS, is simply underhand and thieving (on the part of the Governor). The Unions in that state (and any other state) are not going to back down from this.






DomYngBlk -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:31:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Official teacher compensation tables for Wisconsin:

http://www.wasb.org/teacher-qeo-total-compensation-data-3.html

In many districts the total compensation (or taxpayer expense per teacher) is well over 100k / year.



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-shameful-attack-on-public-employees-2011-1




Hillwilliam -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:32:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Official teacher compensation tables for Wisconsin:

http://www.wasb.org/teacher-qeo-total-compensation-data-3.html

In many districts the total compensation (or taxpayer expense per teacher) is well over 100k / year.



What happened to the claim that the average overall was over 100K?

I dont exactly call 7 of 175 districts many.

In addition, as I said before, a lot of this "total compensation" is stuff like deals on rental cars, discount tickets, etc (at least it was when I was a teacher)




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:34:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Official teacher compensation tables for Wisconsin:

http://www.wasb.org/teacher-qeo-total-compensation-data-3.html

In many districts the total compensation (or taxpayer expense per teacher) is well over 100k / year.




The school administrators board is sorta fucked up...or someone else somewhere is fucked up, it doesnt square with more local information.

lets just take the high end :

http://www.kmsd.edu/files/filesystem/2009-2010AnnualReport.pdf

This annual report from the school district appears to differ significantly in terms of numbers, we have the FTE problem, and wishful thinking issue.

Sorta like--if joe the plumber was an actual person rather than a contrived anecdote...............  




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:35:21 AM)


That was for the particular district that was being discussed in the video.




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:36:47 AM)


Someone has to stop the shameful public employee unions' attacks on the taxpaying public. 




DomYngBlk -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:38:41 AM)

Facts are all there for you..but, alas, as with all other conservatives..facts don't matter...."Mission Accomplished"




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:39:22 AM)

Then we should consider what the total compensation package (in like terms) if for the governor, the legislature and other state officials, since they want the ...how did they put that, what was their spin?.............lol. 




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:40:29 AM)


Think for yourself for a minute. What was Mubaracks crime. Stealing from the public?

Thats more in line with what these union goons are doing.

Even worse they are channeling some of their taxpayer funds to get certain favored politicians elected.

Governor Walkers crime? He is trying to get the public out of very deep, multibillion dollar debt.


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ORIGINAL: joether

"the Mubarak of the Midwest"

That is how guitarist Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine discribed Scott Walker and the debat raging in Wisconsin. Mr. Morello plans to play for the protesters today.




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:40:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Someone has to stop the shameful public employee unions' attacks on the taxpaying public. 


Real is a cheesehead, hell, he don't even pay speeding tickets, what taxpaying public? 




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:45:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Think for yourself for a minute. What was Mubaracks crime. Stealing from the public?

Thats more in line with what these union goons are doing.
[color=#990000 size=6]But not the legislature nor the other government officials?

Even worse they are channeling some of their taxpayer funds to get certain favored politicians elected.

[color=#990000 size=4]Read any supreme court decisions lately? 

Governor Walkers crime? He is trying to get the public out of very deep, multibillion dollar debt.

[color=#66ff00 size=5]Not so, the unions have conceded to the cuts.  He is trying to get an illegal union busting law passed.






Hillwilliam -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:46:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That was for the particular district that was being discussed in the video.


As I said before. A fat chick with a laptop making claims to bolster the government's side without anything to back them up.




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:48:01 AM)


Something really funny is, libtards howled like dying dogs if one single poster could be produced disparaging Barack Obama, or if there was ever a mere rumour of someone spitting on or threatening a Dim Congressman, yet these howlers compare a sitting Governor to Hosnea Mubarak and Adolf Hitler and Mussolini, and produce posters with rifle sights on his face, and they want us to pretend its nothing.

Its okay if they do it.






Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:57:45 AM)


Now that you have the data backing her up Im sure that youre ever so satisfied.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That was for the particular district that was being discussed in the video.


As I said before. A fat chick with a laptop making claims to bolster the government's side without anything to back them up.




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 9:59:07 AM)

Except it is found to be fundamentally flawed.




Hillwilliam -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 10:05:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Now that you have the data backing her up Im sure that youre ever so satisfied.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


That was for the particular district that was being discussed in the video.


As I said before. A fat chick with a laptop making claims to bolster the government's side without anything to back them up.


You didn't read My numerous posts about what constitutes "total compensation" did you?

I expected much. You seem to turn a blind eye to anything that doesn't conform your tiny-minded idea of what the world is.




Sanity -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 10:17:37 AM)


Why would I or anyone pay attention to your and mnots mindless trollishness? The facts as I presented them are direct, obvious, and to the point. The best you poor mindless pathetic libtard trolls can hope for is to muddy the waters and encourage your sycophants to play along as you ignore reality.

Sadly for you leftists one can only ignore reality for so long before doing so becomes unbearably painful, which is exactly why things are swinging so hard to the right these days.


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I expected much. You seem to turn a blind eye to anything that doesn't conform your tiny-minded idea of what the world is.




joether -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/21/2011 10:24:49 AM)

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"A bill that would abolish most of public employees' collective bargaining rights was "incredibly fair" [by Gov. Scott Walker] and would help the state avoid sweeping job cuts..."

Source


Yes, a REPUBLICAN, feels the bill is 'incredibly fair' towards Unions. Who do Republicans serve? Big Business, duh. Now why would Big Business want to remove the Union's ability to represent the middle and lower class of our nation: PROFIT. One of these days, conservatives are going to realize that the Republican party really doesn't represent them. They never really have. It is funny to watch conservative be completely lied to, THEN, vote the liars back into office.

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From same source...
"We're broke. Like nearly every other state across the country, we have a major deficit," he told Todd on The Daily Rundown program, saying they were going toward a $3.6 billion deficit.


Gosh, you might just have to.....*GASP*.....raise taxes. Why is this so incredibly hard for conservatives to figure out? NOBODY, wants to raise taxes, but moderaters and liberals seem to agree it'll actually do alot of good. $10 Billion buys alot of jobs. $100 Billion buys more then a 100 times the $10 Billion. By removing billions, all Republicans are doing, is adding more people to the unemployment line.....during a high unemployment recession (can you say 'retarded thought process'?).

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From the same source...
"Overall what we're talking about is something that's incredibly fair — it applies to me and my family, to my cabinet, the legislature as well as all the other workers at the state and local government level," Walker added.


REALLY? His family uses collective bargaining to decide things? So daddy play's 'Evil Management' while the kids play 'The Union' and the wife is 'The Goverment' that mediates the whole thing? Poor choice of words on his part....

And I dont think the legislature decides things using collective bargaining. Call it a hunch....

While we are on the topic of Gov. Scott Walker....

Is he forgoing 100% of his pay, benefits, and perks, as a show of 'good faith' that he is doing EVERYTHING to keep the taxpayer from having to be burden by financial problem he's helped create? How about every Republican member of the legislature (who have helped engineer many of the current financial problems)? After all, how much did it cost Gov. Walker to get in to office in the first place? A few million? Wouldn't that imply the guy is loaded enough to weather not picking up a penny from the state?






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