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CreativeDominant -> RE: SCOTT WALKER for President (2/18/2011 7:20:07 AM)
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
Umm... can we discuss the actual bill and what is happening in Wisconsin instead of both sides taking the usual personal pot shots at each other?
This. The state is broke, and simply cannot continue as it has been. They are facing a 3.6 billion dollar deficit in the next few years. Before anyone starts on raising taxes, read the next paragraph.
Wisconsin taxpayers are currently paying 94-95% + of the health care insurance premiums for state workers in Wisconsin, with the workers paying less than 6%. Even if the bill passes, taxpayers will still be paying 87% +, with state workers paying 12.4% of the premiums on their own policies. Taxpayers are currently (I believe) footing the entire bill for public worker pensions for vested state workers. Under the bill, the workers would be required to contribute 5.8% towards their own retirement.
I find it rather ironic that taxpayers who may or may not have any health insurance, pension, or even savings of their own are currently paying nearly everything for the health care and pensions of public sector workers.
I find it ironic that you don't realize people take public sector jobs for the security and benefits.
It is certainly not for the extravagant salaries.
And when those benefits are cut who do you think will take those low-paying jobs? I find it incredible that you see ONLY what these people want you to believe...that they are not paid that well. They ARE paid well for what they do. And your own statement that they take these jobs for the security and the benefits speaks directly to the main reason that they are up in arms...it isn't over the children's welfare or the betterment of education, it is over the fact that, GASP!!!!, they might have to actually CONTRIBUTE to their own retirement. Oh....My....God.
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Now, I will admit to a certain bias here. I currently work at a job in the private sector that provides no health insurance (and no, it won't under Obama's health care bill, either), no retirement, and no holidays, sick time, or paid days off. I get no overtime unless I work more than 60 hours per week. That said, I'm still grateful to have a job in this economy, even if things kind of suck right now.
So your point is you have a really shitty job and apparently don't have the desire to find something better, so you are bitter and angry that others receive more than you?
No...her point is that taxpayers are getting fed up with paying for the lion's share of PUBLIC sector employees' benefits. Benefits that far exceed what many of the taxpayers themselves have. Her point is that those of us NOT working for the public but working nonetheless...good job, bad job, high salary, low salary...do not have the benefit of a TAXPAYER-subsidized care/wage/benefits package before AND after we retire.
Convenient how you ignore the percentages of what the taxpayers pay for those benefits...
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