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Climate change scientists call for food rationing to re... - 2/17/2011 12:35:45 PM   
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Leading scientists have called for World War II-style rationing in First World countries to avert catastrophic global warming, in a series of papers published by the United Kingdom's Royal Society. "The Second World War and the concept of rationing is something we need to seriously consider if we are to address the scale of the problem we face," said Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research./

LOLOL=-  suckers!  You just ate your last supper.   Ask your granny how wonderful WW2 food rations were!  LMAO
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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 1:07:09 PM   
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Anderson noted that the type of rationing needed would be relatively moderate, involving limiting electricity usage, setting a maximum level for home thermostats, and mandating replacement of older appliances with newer, energy efficient devices


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 1:46:06 PM   
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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 3:57:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scientists have changed the story: now we are talking about climate change not global warming. Some propose we are entering into a small Ice Age. Scope of the human factor in this is still under question; Solar activity seems to be the main reason. I totally agree with the scientist that we need to save energy as much as possible. The US needs to actually redesign totally its infrastructure in order to survive as a functioning society  in long run. Huge suburban single family housing far from businesses and stores, three cars per family, lack of public transportation and so can not continue long (falling apart already).

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 5:27:51 PM   
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Scientists have changed the story: now we are talking about climate change not global warming. Some propose we are entering into a small Ice Age.
Just who?
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I otally agree with the scientist that we need to save energy as much as possible. The US needs to actually redesign totally its infrastructure in order to survive as a functioning society  in long run. Huge suburban single family housing far from businesses and stores, three cars per family, lack of public transportation and so can not continue long (falling apart already).
Indeed. Welcome to Peak Oil. I personally believe that it's too late to avert catastrophe. We should have continued Carter's initiatives. Instead we got that moron Reagan and Bush I, neither noted for forward-thinking.


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 5:55:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If scientists are calling for a reduction in food consumption as a means of tackling climate change, then I say, let it start with them, instead of spouting theories, let them demonstrate their beliefs by doing what they theorise. Now, if it is seen our world boffins arebecoming impoverished due to their beliefs, perhaps the world will take note, but anyone can spout theories, living up to those theories is a different matter.

But the scientists might have a point, and that point, is meat, cow meat to be specific and with cows, cow farts, for the western demand for a meat rich diet means more cows and therfore more cow farts, which have been proved to be a problem to our atmosphere.

Furthermore for the amount of land cows take up to feed a minority of the world population, i.e., mostly the west, could that land be better employed producing cereal crops for the increasing world's dietery requirements.

I wonder how long it will be before arable land becomes the world's concern as oppose to a country's concern.
The worlds population is increasing rapidly, all those people need to be fed.


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 6:08:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it would be a lot more helpful if hunk read the source material:

From the Telegram:
"He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s.  This could mean a limit on electricity so people are forced to turn the heating down, turn off the lights and replace old electrical goods like huge fridges with more efficient models. Food that has travelled from abroad may be limited and goods that require a lot of energy to manufacture."

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 6:20:46 PM   
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Well, it would be a lot more helpful if hunk read the source material...



Well, where's the fun in that? Party pooper!


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 6:26:07 PM   
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Indeed. Welcome to Peak Oil. I personally believe that it's too late to avert catastrophe. We should have continued Carter's initiatives. Instead we got that moron Reagan and Bush I, neither noted for forward-thinking.



It was always too late to avert catastrophe. The best we could have done would have been to delay it for a few years - maybe even a decade or two - but in the end, there was never any way to avoid "Mad Max." The oil supply would always have been finite and dwindling, and the demand would always have been increasing with population growth. The human race does not have the capacity to save itself; it's not in our DNA.


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 6:32:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The majority of the human race does not have the capacity to save itself due to their mindset, but there are others already that have opted out of the rat race and live their lives as best they can eschewing the collapse that will come.

When either oil runs out, or becomes too expensive to purchase, shit will come.


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 6:56:59 PM   
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Indeed. Welcome to Peak Oil. I personally believe that it's too late to avert catastrophe. We should have continued Carter's initiatives. Instead we got that moron Reagan and Bush I, neither noted for forward-thinking.



It was always too late to avert catastrophe. The best we could have done would have been to delay it for a few years - maybe even a decade or two - but in the end, there was never any way to avoid "Mad Max." The oil supply would always have been finite and dwindling, and the demand would always have been increasing with population growth. The human race does not have the capacity to save itself; it's not in our DNA.

Yeah, you're right. Not thinking clearly. I'm preoccupied with trying to decide if I want to go to an open mic tonight. Played last night, and my drums are still in the car, and the music is still in my blood. Need to play some Hendrix or Led Zep or Stevie Ray or something similar. Bar's open till 2 so I have plenty of time.


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 8:07:33 PM   
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That's about as logical as anything else. Global warming is bullshit. It has been warming of course, but it has very little to do with us. It's a simple cycle. And we are at the end of it. So now, after a bunch of us starve to death they can say they were right because the cycle is going to reverse naturally. I will be glad to be among those who don't hear them.

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 8:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is easy to solve, just stop feeding the third and fourth world countries. What's the point, so that they can double their populations in ten years and use more energy?
You start "developing" them and they want cars, trucks and motorcycles. Honda and Toyota start thinking, "more markets to buy our cars that the stupid U.S. Taxpayers will ultimately be paying for."
And you double their populations and ten years from now look at all the additional cooking fires to spew polution into the air.
Fuck 'em, let nature take it's course!

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 8:21:01 PM   
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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 9:56:58 PM   
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Just who?

Just use Google. I do not want to initiate debate here. People who are against mainstream mantra (this is where the most funding is) face  vicious attacks and smear campaigns. The fact is today's climate models are not adequate to make firm conclusions.

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 10:39:58 PM   
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Hey S, can you do the riffs from Crossfire and let me adlib without it fucking you up ? If so Liechtenstein is only a trip down I-75.

By SRV?


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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/17/2011 10:46:05 PM   
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Just who?

Just use Google. I do not want to initiate debate here. People who are against mainstream mantra (this is where the most funding is) face  vicious attacks and smear campaigns. The fact is today's climate models are not adequate to make firm conclusions.


And your conclusion is based on what evidence and facts?

If you go and chat with scientists on climate change, you may find they disagree on different things; but the grand majority (those that disagree and not) point out that the concept of Climate Change seems to be the most reasonable explaination for the observations (and data collected to this point). It is impossible for those without scientific backgrounds to really grasp what the scientists are discussing/argueing. While it is in english, its in a wholly different language from 'laymens terms'.

For instance, if you listen to a bunch of gamers talking about D&D, they will be using english for the most part, but the context of what they are talking about will be hard to follow. Even if you read a transcript of what they said, you'd understand the words, but not the meaning of those words together. Does that mean you understood the meaning of what was said? Scientists, metaphorically, operate the same way.

Have you honest sat down, and let someone explain to you the concept of Climate Change (without a political 'bent' for or against)? Showed the evidence, and then say "How would you best explain all of this?". Saying 'I dont know', is not acceptable enough of a reply. If your going to rail the concept of Climate Change, then its up to you to explain your answer in a detail and mature manner. Otherwise, why should anyone take you seriously?

Scientists have been gathering a wide range of information for years now. Used every manner of technology, making experiments and retesting concepts. There is peer review and post review of publications. The purpose of this, is to understand what the problem is, if any, and what can be done about it. The real problem with science, becomes understood quickly when trying to explain extremely complex concepts and language to people who just don't understand basic, high school physics/biology/chemistry.

As much as I love hearing a good conspiracy theory; Climate Change isn't one of them. It is honestly very disappointing to know some Americans have a 'below minmal' understanding of science and engineering, even though they make use of its works everyday of their lives. That is to say, they dont understand how their cellphone works, it just does.

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/18/2011 12:51:51 AM   
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Yeah, I want to play with it. I don't want to play SRV, I want to play me. A new riff.

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/18/2011 1:13:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		"And your conclusion is based on what evidence and facts? "

How about mine.

It is at least as possible this theory is correct :

The Earth goes through a cycle of it's year being in phase or out of phase with it's apehelion and periheliobn of it's orbit. Right now the closest the Earth gets to the sun occurs on Jan. 3rd. But this cycles. As it cycles, the energy absorption of the Earth differs because of the topography. If you look at a globe you will see that the top and bottom patterns which depict the land masses on this planet, are not symetrical.

Therefore they differ in their absoption rates when it comes to the energy recieved from the sun. This produces a rectifying effect, analogous to that of a rectifier in an electronic circuit. The pure definition is something which impedes flow in one direction and allows it in the other. As the Earth's surface sees the sun, it reflects some of the energy back out into space. Water and land do not reflect the exact same amount of energy.

After reviewing the cycle, I see it VERY possible that we have been on a natural warming trend, because of things we cannot control. And now we will be on the cooling end of the cycle eventully. Then, when nobody knows what is really going on, those who profited by the scam will be seen as heroes, and exhalted like the greats of yore.

That's the human way, not logic. Forget logic.

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RE: Climate change scientists call for food rationing t... - 2/18/2011 1:20:30 AM   
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But again, I would have more respect for those that spout, if they basically put their money where their theorising mouths are, for it is all too easy to tell others what to do, and not do oneself. Those that come out with such claims, should be creating practical solutions and in order to publicise their notions, they should practice what they preach.


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