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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 1:03:14 PM   
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First off, Sirsholly and Lockit, what you both completely lack is CONTEXT. Jumping into the middle of the conversation without knowing the background of what's going on is a recipe for disaster. If you had bothered to take the time to actually read what had been said you would know that I'm not the OP, I'm not complaining (or whining as you seem to believe the two to be one and the same) about there being too many pro-doms, and I'm not looking for sympathy from anyone. I'm simply offering my sympathy to the OP for the frustrations of sorting through pro-doms and lifestylers.

You then follow up by completely failing to understand the hypothetical I was putting forth for DarkSteven. His argument was that a good personal relationship takes effort. I 100% agree with him as well. But is analogy was flawed. I was pointing out, that applying what I was saying is the same as if he were at the grocery store and someone was trying to sell him sex. Or vice versa. It's about what is reasonable and to be expected given the circumstances. I would feel just as sympathetic for anyone else who goes some where looking for one thing and is lambasted by offers and solicitations for something completely unrelated to what he's looking for. I really don't know how I can make it any simpler than that.

Also, writing me a message to taunt "Hey dude..your post is gone. Shame." and then deleting my response without even reading it is cowardly. At least I stand by what I say.

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 1:45:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not know what you are talking about emailing you and would not taunt you in a hidden manner. I tend to say what I think and what I mean wherever I am within reason.

I never said you were the op or like the op. I did say you were sympathizing with the op and whiners in general. I addressed your sympathizing and defense of what I see as unhealthy behaviors manifested most often in a life that is lived disgruntled. There are far better things to take as a challenge or be upset by in life and if the little things bug you (anyone) to the point of making a thread about them, you (anyone) are making a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion. That kind of attitude leads to all sorts of life issues.

As for context... I have rarely been in a place shopping for oranges when someone tried to sell me sex. We are at a site that deals with kink, sex, relationships, etc. and people will try to sell you anything from their shoes to some kinky play or conversation. You can go to a vanilla site and find it there as well. Is it irritating sometimes? Sure... but that doesn't mean we have to respond to it, blast others with our vent that may have had nothing to do with it and no say in it. Other than how I personally view the reaction to life's little irritants and what effect it may have on a life... I don't think it is unreasonable to consider the source, consider where you are, consider life in general and consider that being anal about it to the point of venting publicly about it, as ineffective.

Who or what type of personality walks into a room of strangers, that have little connection to what has upset them and vents about it? I heard a lot about what upset the person(s) venting and yet not one comment of what draws them here. I heard support for those submissive men looking for a needle in a haystack and yet not one word of those submissives that respond to those that are here supplying what many seem to want. So it isn't your kink or thing... it is someone else's. If it bugs you, do what most of us do... ignore... walk on or bring something to the plate in changing it if it can be changed. Other than that... if you don't like it, don't be there and involved or create your own site and battle it all yourself.

It really isn't that big a deal.



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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:21:51 PM   
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I do not know what you are talking about emailing you and would not taunt you in a hidden manner. I tend to say what I think and what I mean wherever I am within reason.


Lol, if you didn't write that, then obviously the statement isn't directed to you. That was directed towards someone else.

Lockit, I agree with you in essence, but this is a forum for the exchange of the very ideas you are arguing we shouldn't arguing about. This is the time and place for these things to be considered, debated, and talked about. The reason you do not hear any support for what you are citing to is because this isn't a thread about how submissive males are finding dominant females. It's a thread about one sub male's argument regarding an abundance of dom's requiring tribute.

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Who or what type of personality walks into a room of strangers, that have little connection to what has upset them and vents about it?


Here's the big difference between what you are talking about, and what we have here: no one is compelling you, forcing you, requiring you to even read, much less respond, to what's being said. Not more than 2 sentences after the one in which I quote, you suggest people should ignore it. So why haven't you ignored this thread in the first place?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:23:51 PM   
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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: discreethusband

First off, Sirsholly and Lockit, what you both completely lack is CONTEXT. Jumping into the middle of the conversation without knowing the background of what's going on is a recipe for disaster.


This is pretty much the most amusing part of the whole thing.  Thinking holly and Lockit don't know what's going on. 

     

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:44:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being that I've had to spell out the EXACT subject matter of the thread, then dumb down the analogy and following theoretical for her, I would say it's a pretty safe call. And then when I call her out on the PAINFULLY OBVIOUS HYPOCRISY of her posting, her response is "Lol....dude". So you tell me, if it's so simple, why isn't anyone explaining it to me?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You haven't had to explain it to us.  You've been explaining it over and over because YOU don't get it.  We get it.  Totally.  Dude.

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:52:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yet I offer you an opportunity to do so and all I get is "We get it. Totally. Dude." Do you really have anything to add? Anything to say of substance that can be supported through argument, or is self justifying "dude" good enough?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:54:00 PM   
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Compatability and probability are two separate issues. Statistical analysis can be applied to who you date just as much as the weather, the lottery, and practically everything else. No one is saying that if there were less pros the OP would find a match. I'm saying that the more pros in the pile decreases the chance of finding someone to be compatible with. That's just the way it is. Laziness has nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. The OP isn't saying he doesn't wish to search, or that the search is too cumbersome and it should be easier, he's saying his search is frustrated. It's an entirely separate issue than just laziness. SweetDommes makes the most pragmatic suggestion of all, calling for a filtered search.


Dominant women who are seeking men for mutually respectful relationships based on common interests first get slammed with messages from guys listing their kinks, insulting them for turning them down, unsolicited pictures of cocks and assholes, threats and insults, etc. at the ratio of 10:1 or more, yet we don't see threads started literally almost every day from women saying, "Why aren't men banned from this site for not reading profiles" and "Why aren't there filters set up to block penis pictures so we don't have to see them unless we ask for them," and "Why can't collarme set up a method for femdoms to complain when a man threatens her after she turns him down, so if three women complain the man and his IP are banned?" The women that get slammed with just as much junk don't routinely log on and complain the system should be overhauled so we don't have to waste time filtering the men who are lying about their marital status, just want hot chat but pretend they want a relationship, or only aim to send sexual photos so they can get a response and jerk off.

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 2:58:53 PM   
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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:12:08 PM   
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First off, Sirsholly and Lockit, what you both completely lack is CONTEXT. Jumping into the middle of the conversation without knowing the background of what's going on is a recipe for disaster. If you had bothered to take the time to actually read what had been said you would know that I'm not the OP, I'm not complaining (or whining as you seem to believe the two to be one and the same) about there being too many pro-doms, and I'm not looking for sympathy from anyone. I'm simply offering my sympathy to the OP for the frustrations of sorting through pro-doms and lifestylers.
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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:16:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see all this arguing that I don't get it, yet no one seems to be willing to explain it, if it's so obvious. How is it wrong that I simply express my sympathy for anyone? How does that even matter to you, or effect what you get to do with your own life?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:18:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		And I know I'm an ass, I'll be the first to admit it. But how does that negate anything I've said?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:21:05 PM   
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And I know I'm an ass, I'll be the first to admit it. But how does that negate anything I've said?

Because if you admit to being an ass and you act like one then your words become pointless and you opinions invalid to people who read them, because you have already negated yourself.


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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:24:28 PM   
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So the liberal use of the block function is definitely called for.

I think what you may be missing here is that it works the other way around as well.  If submissive males are finding that they are coming across more pro profiles than lifestyle ones, all they need to do is hide the professional ones.  In doing so, they decrease the number of ones that they see.  Going back to the math that you expressed earlier in the thread, if there are 100:1 pro to lifestyle ratio profiles out there, as the number of pro ones are hidden, it reduces the ratio.  The fact that someone isn't willing to invest the effort to hide the pros they don't want to see is why the sympathy just doesn't come across.


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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:38:26 PM   
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Because if you admit to being an ass and you act like one then your words become pointless and you opinions invalid to people who read them, because you have already negated yourself.


And that is what you call prejudice. The ideas, the substance, the raw thought which I am conveying is independent of me. You are simply coming to a conclusion based upon who you believe me to be and not what I say.

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I think what you may be missing here is that it works the other way around as well. If submissive males are finding that they are coming across more pro profiles than lifestyle ones, all they need to do is hide the professional ones. In doing so, they decrease the number of ones that they see. Going back to the math that you expressed earlier in the thread, if there are 100:1 pro to lifestyle ratio profiles out there, as the number of pro ones are hidden, it reduces the ratio. The fact that someone isn't willing to invest the effort to hide the pros they don't want to see is why the sympathy just doesn't come across.


I agree whole heartedly, 100 percent. I'm not bleeding my heart out for this guy, and I really don't care whether he finds what he's looking for or not. I'm saying it sucks to find an abundance of what you are not looking for, that's it. Furthermore, it's MY sympathy to give, yet I'm being criticized for it, and no one can offer a valid explanation of why I'm not entitled to give my sympathies where I see fit. It's not as though I'm saying you or anyone else should, or needs to feel sympathetic.

And the part of your quote that I bolded is pretty much why I wrote it the whole thing about the math of it all.


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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:49:08 PM   
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And that is what you call prejudice. The ideas, the substance, the raw thought which I am conveying is independent of me. You are simply coming to a conclusion based upon who you believe me to be and not what I say.



OK... For one, I am not coming to a conclusion. You asked a question, I offered an example of why. Nowhere in my post did I instruct you that these were my thoughts.

Number two... you DID say you are an ass (see below). If someone tells a people on a website forum that they are an ass, why would they believe differently? Your statement above makes no sense, do you not see this?


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And I know I'm an ass, I'll be the first to admit it. But how does that negate anything I've said?




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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 3:56:07 PM   
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because you have already negated yourself


How is that not conclusive? I've asked you to point out how the things I've said are negated. You simply say "because you're a self-claimed ass". Is there something more to be determined? How does that refute what I'm saying. It calls into question my character not the substance. That's what prejudice is.

I see perfectly well. I'm saying that my character can be an ass (Subjective term), but I'm not saying you shouldn't believe that I'm not an ass. I pointed out that what someone is saying and their character are two separate, distinct issues. What am I not seeing?

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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 4:10:30 PM   
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because you have already negated yourself


How is that not conclusory? I've asked you to point out how the things I've said are negated. You simply say "because you're a self-claimed ass". Is there something more to be determined? How does that refute what I'm saying. It calls into question my character not the substance. That's what prejudice is.

I see perfectly well. I'm saying that my character can be an ass (Subjective term), but I'm not saying you shouldn't believe that I'm not an ass. I pointed out that what someone is saying and their character are two separate, distinct issues. What am I not seeing?


The statement is a conclusion, I never said it was not. What I did say is that you misdirected my reply by assuming that was my opinion, when I simply gave you a possible example of what you may be missing.

Look. You said that you are an ass and that you admit that. You then say that assism is subjective. This then negates the fact that you call yourself an ass. Which makes you more of an ass, which in your opinion is subjective. That is what you are not seeing.


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RE: Are They fucking joking or something? - 2/20/2011 4:16:27 PM   
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