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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 12:16:37 PM

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i do alot of kneeling as part of my job, im a podiatrist and being on the ground, grovelling about is part of my day on a regular basis.

My podiatrist sits on a low stool and has the clients sitting up high enough so he's at foot level.

lol. yes as do i, but there are times, quite often, on domicillary visits or during biomechanical exams that kneeling on the floor happens more often than not.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 3:27:53 PM

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I kid you not, that was her default and preferred method of watching tv etc, except with a throw cushion under her butt. Btw, her insteps lay flat on the floor in that position, too. Yousta creep me out at first, wondering if the sound of fracturing bones was imminent etc. Her mum says she's been sitting like that forever, yet she looked typically normal standing and walking etc. Was all in the joints, I guess....

It would be a lot easier with a cushion I think. Still, I wonder if that's a position that can be learned. I'd love to try :D

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ORIGINAL: lally2
i do fidgit when i kneel but its never been a problem. i sustain as long as i can and then change position. im thinking that only a serious hardass would expect you to keep a stress position for so long that youre circulation and ultimately nerve supply gets cut off to such a degree that when you finally stand youre wobbling around like a new born giraffe.

It occurs to me that I do this quite a bit with clients. Sometimes they have erectile problems, and oral takes forever :( I guess I should be more forgiving on myself there

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep
if you have any worries about your joint health, by all means, speak with your doctor.
kneeling isn't the worst thing i've ever done to my knees; marching band in high school wasn't all that nice to them either (especially when i lived out east and had a brief stint in a high-stepping band -- i HATE high-stepping, give me glide-stepping any day of the week).
so i've gotten a little problem with one of my knees, but i actually take osteo-biflex, which helps a lot! haha
it had gotten to a point where it was locking up or making level changes in dance REALLY hard, but osteo-biflex is some helpful stuff. i actually realized that i was more capable with levels than i previously thought, which really adds a nice layer to dance, but it also helps with basic everyday functionality.

and noooow to sign up for AARP. =p

What is osteo-biflex? is that a drug? Is it something that actually solves/prevents a problem, or just hides symptoms ?

And what is AARP :o

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 4:02:30 PM

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you can learn the position Focus is talking about (i used to sit that way a lot when i was a kid) -- a cushion under your butt does make it easier, and takes some of the stress off your knees, but you really shouldn't push yourself too far just for a position. if you don't have the natural flexibility, you can gain SOME with stretching exercises, but not everyone will ever be able to do ALL the same thing as someone else.

AARP is the american association for retired persons or something like that, haha
i was just joking that i was feeling old, though there are a lot of knee problems that strike people in their younger years. supposedly osteo-biflex works by building up something that helps cushion your joints in places where cartilage isn't doing the job anymore -- so places where a joint is grinding and stuff like that. all i know is when i take it, my knee seems happier. =p

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 6:46:52 PM

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I have horrible knees .. sports injuries from teenage years have caught up with me. However, kneeling for my Dom is something that I love. But I've always been allowed a pillow or cushion and/or have never been made to kneel so long that it caused pain/injury.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 8:28:44 PM

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I'm not into kneeling. I gave up ritualized kneeling when I gave up the catholic church. Stand, kneel, sit, kneel, sit, stand.... There's more exercising during a catholic mass than in most aerobic's classes.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 9:34:39 PM

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1. How do you do it? There are many ways to kneel, several possible angles of the feet and legs. Do you have a specific technique in how you do it?
If I absolutely have to do it at all, I do it however I am able. Not very easily and not very often. I do, however, sit on the floor at His feet and lay my head on His knee. It's still not easy to get up again, due to a chronic pain disorder, but I do enjoy doing that sometimes and it's much easier than kneeling.
2. How does your owner feel about it, if applicable. Do they require you to kneel in their presence, or perhaps only sometimes when commanded? Perhaps they don't see an appeal in it at all.
Daddy said it does not hold any appeal for Him and that being at high-protocol functions are the only time where He would consider it necessary at all. He does not require me to kneel for Him and does not command me to ever. I don't know if that's because He's more of a Daddy Dom rather than a Master-type Dominant, or what.
3. How do you feel about it. Do you enjoy doing it? do you see any erotic appeal in the act ?
I do NOT enjoy kneeling and it has no erotic appeal to me at all. My fibromylagia & the fact that I'm not as young as I used to be make it difficult for me to kneel AND difficult to get up from kneeling. Were it not painful, I actually would enjoy it at times.
4. Most importantly, how do you manage it? I've been practising kneeling a lot recently, and it is quite tiring. I have quite a few bruises all over my lower legs, especially from kneeling on a hard kitchen floor, and it seems to hurt the knees and ankles first of all. Is it something you learn to cope with in time? is it a skill that can be learned and trained? Are there any longterm health risks associated with kneeling?
I heard from an ex-Master that it's something one gets used to and it's supposed to get easier as time goes by. However I don't really think He was a very good judge of that as I highly doubt that HE did much kneeling. I don't know if there are any long-term health risks associated with kneeling, but I would make sure not to rise too quickly to avoid a sudden blood pressure drop (orthostatic hypotension). Also, IMO, one should not stay kneeling for extended periods of time but should be allowed to stand and move about to avoid venous stasis (impaired circulation) in the lower extremities.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/20/2011 11:00:47 PM

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For me, kneeling is just sitting in your legs. Sometimes I can have my feet as I like, but usually he likes my toes pointing to each other. The chest has to be pushed out, and the stomach must be like, visible. You should look at the floor. The hands should be resting over your legs, in front of you, open and palms up.
He just likes it. Normally. I mean, he doesn't have me kneel for long periods of time, and he actually rarely smiles when I kneel... he BARELY smiles when I do it on my own... so I think he just considers it as a means for something else.
Yes, of course, I have to kneel when commanded. Not in his presence, but yes when he enters the room AND we're playing. Of course, if I'm kneeling, I can't stand up or change position, or move until he says so. I do like kneeling in his presence, makes me feel like I'm doing things well (even though it may have nothing to do). So I think I feel... better? It slipped once, when he raised his voice at me, so now he lets me do it when I feel like I should. Then, it's not feeling better, but safer. Somehow.
I very much adore doing it. I don't see any erotic appeal in the act, though. I do consider it pleases him, though he may not always show it.
About those coping methods... I don't really know. Your legs might feel like noodles if you do it too much, good luck standing up. I haven't found any negative consequences besides that one. With practice it gets better.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/21/2011 9:43:22 PM

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I kneel quite a bit for him, but never for extended periods of time. My right knee sometimes pops and this hurts a great deal. Kneeling on his hardwood floor can be excruciating, and while I don't complain as I am doing it, I do tend to shift around a lot, and after awhile he helps me up, then helps me take the next few steps as walking can be difficult right after.

Mostly when I kneel it's on carpet, and can be a short as a minute, as long as hmmm, not sure I've made it to an hour yet but it's felt close. My knees do get tired, and my ankles tend to hurt, which I have to be careful of after an accident a few years ago in which I wiped them both out. I shift my weight, or wiggle my feet to keep the circulation flowing, and during the times it hurts beyond what I can stand, I slide down to a sitting position. He is typically ok with that, unless he tells me otherwise, which isn't very often but happens.

Admittedly, kneeling is much less difficult on me since losing a lot of weight, but still has its challenges. I've never considered technique nor have I considered NOT kneeling for him. I haven't been concerned about long term medical effects as I don't believe I am damaging my knees by this activity.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/22/2011 9:16:46 AM

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My Master does not require me to kneel often. If it is on a rug it is all good. However if it is on the hard wood floor he allows me to use a pillow. I have inflamed cartliiege in my knees that acts up if i have to knel a long time. My knees get all swollen and sore not a good thing. That is one of the main reasons Master does not require me to kneel.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/22/2011 12:59:25 PM

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I don't kneel. I'm too awesome.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/22/2011 6:11:26 PM

Nanako

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I don't kneel. I'm too awesome.

but kneeling is awesome ^.^

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RE: Kneeling - 2/22/2011 8:49:02 PM

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I don't kneel. I'm too awesome.

Re-posted for awesomeness.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/23/2011 12:22:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nanako

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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

I don't kneel. I'm too awesome.

but kneeling is awesome ^.^

Kneeling is *sometimes* awesome :) Sometimes it's a dratted nuisance but either way, a memory-foam pillow makes both splendidly bearable.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/23/2011 3:25:51 PM

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Heya sweetie,

First thing, it is all about how high the protocol is in the D you are trying to please.

Protocol kneeling should be on the brief side. If the D's protocol is going to have you kneeling, as opposed to sitting at his feet, then you need to learn to transition from the knees to one hip or the other. From the kneeling position gracefully ease your hip to the ground/floor and adjust your thighs where one knee is resting on the other, the angle of your knees is still somewhat in front of you, as they were when you were kneeling, and your calves should be layered one over the other. Your bottom foot should be relaxed, however your top foot is going to really help you maintain circulation. Use your toes to push your weight forward, easing yourself off of the full weight of your legs being pressed together and that will allow the blood to flow. The top foot is the instrument to shift you, albeit subtly, to maintain a submissive pose for extended periods.
Hand position is also very important, when you shift to the right or left, the right or left hand drifts to the floor to support the upper body and help you maintain posture. The off hand should lay across your lap with your forearm against your belly but relaxed. The hand on the floor is also a tool, like the top foot. You raise up on your fingers subtly and then ease back down to help your circulation.

Low Protocol shouldn't have you there too long.
High Protocol could have you there for a long time. As an attentive /s it doesn't matter how long the D intends to keep you there cuz your D and your guests are always going to need something. Make sure you establish upfront that you are a "go to" girl. Once the opportunity presents itself for you to "go to" resume the kneel and when you ease into a "resting kneel" make sure it is the other hip this go round.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/23/2011 4:47:41 PM

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...and if you are rivetting company..he won't even notice :) (well some of the time, anyhow)

I have to say Trolly-One.....it has to be so much easier. That was like a kettle-bell work out!

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RE: Kneeling - 2/23/2011 6:55:21 PM

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Just noticed this thread and HAD to respond, as kneeling is one of my favorite things to do for Master, as well as it being a fairly common requirement he has of me.

I am almost always kneeling at Master's feet when we are watching TV together or he is playing video games, with my cheek to his thigh so he can easily stroke a hand through my hair (which we both love). I am also expected to kneel to present him with food or drink he has ordered me to get him, and when I wake him up with tea in the morning. Often, I kneel properly with my ass on my heels and knees together until he accepts whatever I am serving, and then I shift to the off-center hip sit that Troll mentioned and described beautifully.

I cannot stay on my knees properly for very long, due to a weakness in the joint, so Master is always conscious of that. I kneel on carpeting usually, and if he desires a blowjob, he commands I place a pillow under my knees for extra support. Master is very particular about kneeling poses during some of our scening, and that is some of our most high-protocol times. During these, I am always under order to speak up if my knees truly start to hurt, and he directs me to relax my kneel every few minutes for thirty seconds or so. If I am expected to stay on my knees with ass in air for a prolonged cropping or beating, I kneel on knees and elbows on the bed where it's soft.

I am definitely finding I can hold my kneel for longer now that I'm getting more practised at it. I think it's one of those things you get better at, the more you do it, as long as there isn't a pre-existing medical condition. If I can answer any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask! :)

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RE: Kneeling - 2/24/2011 6:48:13 AM

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i think it sounds really complicated because he's being super-detailed in the post, but if you visualize it or try it, it's a manner of kneeling that people are probably familiar with. it's cool to see a fella pondering kneeling - a lot of them don't, and think it's as easy as sitting; hanging out with Ds/Ms who don't understand kneeling but still require it may be why people develop a problem with kneeling.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/24/2011 5:48:10 PM

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. . . pondering kneeling - a lot of them don't, and think it's as easy as sitting; hanging out with Ds/Ms who don't understand kneeling but still require it may be why people develop a problem with kneeling.

Bingo!

One could exchange kneeling for any act, really.

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RE: Kneeling - 2/24/2011 7:31:25 PM

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quite true =p

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RE: Kneeling - 2/25/2011 8:33:16 AM

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@petmonkey

anything can be changed by anything..lol

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