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frogdollop -> Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (2/21/2011 11:33:17 AM)

Just published in the Register. The London-based Collared kink club has taken on Facebook over the deletion of its page, and has won a review of Facebook's entire BDSM prohibition policy.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/21/facebook_smut/

Facebook reviews smut policy after slave site uprising

Deletion of kinky page provokes sort-of soul-search
By Jane Fae Ozimek • Get more from this author

Posted in Law, 21st February 2011 14:10 GMT

Facebook has announced it is actively reviewing its policy of a total ban on all content relating to sexual activities.

The review follows the deletion on 4 February of Collared Events page following a complaint from a site user. This deletion angered and mystified many members and supporters of Collared, which operates Slaves and Masters Club Nights and which identifies itself as a community non-profit organisation with a focus on safety and socialization. It used the Facebook page merely as a means to communicate.


There was no explicit imagery or sexual content of any kind and the page was set to "secret". The page strictly followed the Facebook Terms. Facebook initially cited its user condition (3.7) that: "You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence."

However, following extensive dialogue with senior staff at the company, including Richard Allan, Facebook's Head of Policy for Europe, Collared has apparently stirred Facebook into reviewing not just this ban but its entire policy. A wide ranging "internal dialogue" is now under way.

Simon, who runs Collared, told the Reg: "I feel that Facebook are in complete confusion on this issue. The problem is that their policy is inconsistent and whether a site survives or not depends on whether a site is able to lobby the right person in the company – and not offend the wrong one.

"In this case, we were picked off because a rival club wanted to poach our members".

At base, however, Simon believes that the issues go much deeper, possibly into philosophical territory. He went on: "Facebook have to decide whether they are 'a moral organisation' or are simply pragmatists, seeking to maximise their advertising.

"There is a huge disconnect, which Facebook needs to deal with, because this doesn’t just apply to kink, but to the entire sexuality spectrum. I have spoken to many other groups in the gay and transgender community who are seriously worried that they might be pulled at a moment’s notice: I’ve lost count of the number of cross-dress sites that have lost their pages, even where there is no sexual content whatsoever.

"No one knows whether they should invest huge amounts of time investing in building on Facebook. It is also, partly, a transatlantic issue, with Facebook’s US audience SO MUCH much more sensitive than the Europeans.

"Personally, I don’t care what Facebook decide, so long as they don’t make proclamations about being a platform for the world and then make inconsistent and hypocritical moral decisions.

"Because when Facebook move past a line based on simple content and toward intent and motivation, they are moving into church territory, which I don’t believe anyone wishes them to do."

Over the years, Facebook has often found itself called to task for its alleged inconsistent and discriminatory policies where "sex" is concerned, most notoriously for its heavy-handedness towards groups promoting breastfeeding.

Their Review Team allegedly told Richard Allan: "Any content that is primarily related to sexual activities is deemed to be in breach whether or not the there are any overtly explicit photos on the Facebook page."

This, according to Collared’s promoters, creates two serious issues for Facebook. First there is transparency: if this really is its policy, perhaps it should be stated in the Ts and Cs. Second is the question of consistency.

As regular users of Facebook will be well aware, the site is awash with content that someone somewhere is likely to find "sexual", from Playboy to "Jodie Foster’s thighs": so if this really is Facebook’s policy, it means that increasingly, Facebook Reviewers are to become arbiters of what is and what is not sexual. An interesting and probably thankless task.

We did ask Facebook for official comment on this debate - but have so far received no reply. ®




juliaoceania -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/21/2011 12:24:25 PM)

I really do not have a problem with how others use facebook, but I kinda like that it is a sexuality free zone. From my perspective it is hard enough to integrate the differing aspects of my life on facebook without throwing my sex life into the mix. facebook lacks the sort of privacy in friend's lists, etc, that is needed for me to use it for this purpose. I do not want to hide myself on facebook and I use it to further my professional life (yes, schmoozing on facebook is good for your career).

How other people choose to use it is fine by me, but I would be likely to take people who used facebook in such ways openly off my friends list.




Marc2b -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/21/2011 12:32:41 PM)

quote:

I really do not have a problem with how others use facebook, but I kinda like that it is a sexuality free zone. From my perspective it is hard enough to integrate the differing aspects of my life on facebook without throwing my sex life into the mix. facebook lacks the sort of privacy in friend's lists, etc, that is needed for me to use it for this purpose. I do not want to hide myself on facebook and I use it to further my professional life (yes, schmoozing on facebook is good for your career).

How other people choose to use it is fine by me, but I would be likely to take people who used facebook in such ways openly off my friends list.


Long time, no see. Welcome back. I hope all is well in your world.

Please ignor what it says under my name... it's a joke that came back to bite me in the ass.

As for the topic at hand... I don't really do Facebook (I have a page but I haven't visited it in months), so I really have no opinion on the matter.




juliaoceania -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/22/2011 7:24:30 AM)

Hi Marc!

The tag under your name end up being a bad joke? Funny, my tag is a joke too, because I am not a SAM...lol




SAMHAIN09 -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/25/2011 9:36:26 PM)

I made numerous BDSM groups back in the day. AND THEY STILL EXIST!!!




NuevaVida -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/25/2011 10:22:36 PM)

I kind of like FB being a sex-free zone, too.  I can imagine how difficult it is for them to remain that way, too. 

My facebook is "family friendly" - my nieces & nephews are on it, my cousins in different countries, aunts, uncles, coworkers, etc.  I'd likely not friend anyone who wouldn't respect my need/desire to keep my FB page G Rated.   And I don't want to be looking at my FB page with my very young niece looking over my shoulder, and seeing the "So-n-So is into ______" column on the right, displaying BDSM stuff next to a FB friend's name.

With FB, you can set your preferences for stricter privacy, but your friends might not.  Post on your friends wall, and anyone may be able to read it. 

So, for my own personal reasons, I'm perfectly OK with them banning BDSM groups.




MistressMeltz -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/26/2011 8:43:27 AM)

I was recently amazed to see an Xrated private group on FB. Yes, I was sent an invite and yes I did join but I was in awe at the pictures within the group.

I was surprised this kinda thing goes on within FB




Marc2b -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/26/2011 8:58:25 AM)

quote:

Hi Marc!

The tag under your name end up being a bad joke? Funny, my tag is a joke too, because I am not a SAM...lol


Actually, it was the one they gave me before that... "Fabulous Phallus Handler" which, I confess, I brought upon myself by changing the subject line of a thread to read "Marc2b has a fabulous phallus." If you really want to know more it all begins HERE. But be warned... that thread is dangerous! (almost as dangerous as a bunny) [:D]





LadyConstanze -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (4/26/2011 9:45:10 AM)

I'm with NuevaVida on this, FB is not a kink site and a lot of business colleagues and vanilla friends are linked to my FB, also lot's of companies google you and check out your FB before giving you a job, I don't want any kink stuff on my FB, I'd consider that as much abuse as vanilla people coming to CM and starting personal ads for knitting classes or church meetings...




AZENDANT -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (5/26/2011 6:13:44 AM)

There is a kink related social networking site.
And there is also collarme




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (5/26/2011 1:48:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I'm with NuevaVida on this, FB is not a kink site and a lot of business colleagues and vanilla friends are linked to my FB, also lot's of companies google you and check out your FB before giving you a job, I don't want any kink stuff on my FB, I'd consider that as much abuse as vanilla people coming to CM and starting personal ads for knitting classes or church meetings...


I'm with you and NuevaVida on this too. I have friends, family, business colleagues and a wide range of things going on Facebook. What I love about Facebook is that everybody is REALLY REAL, and tend to keep things all REAL. The Last thing I want is for my daughters, my Ex's, my friends, Business associates/colleagues to see any Kink stuff on my FB pages. Every once in awhile, I might say something rather suggestive joking around. I'm really supportive of Facebook not allowing the Sexual/Kink content. Every one of my 450+ friends are all extremely real.

I come on CM for interact with people for one reason, and pop onto Facebook to interact with people for a different reason. There's only a small hand full of people from CM on my FB.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (5/26/2011 2:00:00 PM)

Seriously, Facebook can do whatever the fuck it wants in regards to policies like this. We are guest in their house... using their computers, drive space and hardware and software. It's not some issue of anybody's rights being violated. People have the freedom to go else ware to freely engage in conversations of sexual nature.

Back in the Early 90's I ran an extremely large BBS using MajorBBS. I wrote an extremely tight user agreement. Facebook is a privately owned service. Think of social websites being like night clubs, where there is a dress code. They have every right to not let you in the door for wearing Tennis shoes and enforcing their own established dress code.

Personally, I think Facebook is doing an excellent job. Regardless of Transparency or not. They don't have to be transparent. They should be able to use something called discretion and make personal judgement calls on things, without everything single little thing being carved in stone.

Yes, Facebook gets to be arbiters of what is and what is not sexual on their site!! Just like a Night Club owners gets to be arbiters of what is and is not tasteful to wear into the joint.







tazzygirl -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (5/27/2011 10:31:25 PM)

~FR

Since FB allows those over 13 to join, it better watch its p's and q's with this carefully.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (5/28/2011 8:21:56 AM)

My mother is my Facebook friend, for god's sake. Hence, I also like the lack of sexual conduct on FB, which I use a lot, both socially and professionally. I don't want to see other people's kink in public or on FB. As long as they are even handed and totally exclude sexual content (to the best of their ability)I think it is great. FB is just like a big public square, so the content should be suitable for the public.




EroticHypnotist -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/2/2011 6:39:50 PM)

I have two profiles on facebook.  One is for my erotic persona.  The other for my vanilla persona.  I wouldn't cross-contaminate friends from either.  Content presented on one would not be suitable for the other and vice versa.

I am cheesed off at Youtube pulling my profile without a warning or explanation.  Makes it look like I'd done something really outrageous.  Yet they'd been courting me for months to become a partner, due to the popularity of my video clips.  So it really sucks when you put a lot of effort into a profile page, and just when you're feeling comfortable, wham, it gets pulled!

Cleo




orchid77 -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/3/2011 2:40:55 PM)

I tend to agree with everyone else. Kink, D/s- should not be on FB.




imperatrixx -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/4/2011 1:49:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Since FB allows those over 13 to join, it better watch its p's and q's with this carefully.


agreed.




MistrixMsE -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/5/2011 7:37:18 PM)

I dont mind it being 'sex free' site, however, there are way too many straight-vanilla biases running there. A friend had a photo of her hugging another girl, fully clothed, out in public at an event pulled for 'sexual content'. It was two girls hugging in a non romantic/sexual way and *posing for a photo*. Numerous other people I know who are LGBTQ have had photos of themselves holding hands with or kissing a same sex partner pulled... including one pjhoto of a commitment ceremony with friends and family watching. I know I have seen loads of photos of straight couples getting married, holding hands, and kissing on the site... so why the double standard? I'm *straight* and that type of censorship really offends me...




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/5/2011 7:41:16 PM)

i have to say, i'm with LadyConstanze and NuevaVida on this -- i have no problem with facebook being sex-free. i have heard of instances of same-sex couples having their photos removed, and i think that's wrong, since a lot of those photos are pretty innocuous. but as far as BDSM groups? i don't really mind -- that's what fetlife's for. =p




LadyConstanze -> RE: Facebook reviews its ban on kink and BDSM (7/6/2011 1:30:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistrixMsE

I dont mind it being 'sex free' site, however, there are way too many straight-vanilla biases running there. A friend had a photo of her hugging another girl, fully clothed, out in public at an event pulled for 'sexual content'. It was two girls hugging in a non romantic/sexual way and *posing for a photo*. Numerous other people I know who are LGBTQ have had photos of themselves holding hands with or kissing a same sex partner pulled... including one pjhoto of a commitment ceremony with friends and family watching. I know I have seen loads of photos of straight couples getting married, holding hands, and kissing on the site... so why the double standard? I'm *straight* and that type of censorship really offends me...



I think it's less FB and more the number of complains, for example if some idiotic bunch starts reporting the pictures and they have a number of complains about the pics, the pics will get pulled.




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