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Termyn8or -> Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 5:37:37 PM)
Campbel's tomato soup is an ingredient in some recipes. I think very few people eat it by itself, as much as I avoid sugar, it's addition to certain foods is significant. It adds a sweet, slightly raw (for lack of a better word) flavor to quite a few tomato based sauces, chili and some probaby use it in ministrone, who knows what else. Other brands never could compare, the few things I use it in I demand that brand no other. Let me rephrase that - USED it in. That's right, the other day while I was looking at the cupboard to see what was there, there was the can. It was a bit different. I looked at the ingredients. Sure as shit, it now has HFCS in it. The pareve also seems to be absent. I also mentioned this to someone who uses (or used) it and they say it's not the same. Reading the label this new version is purported to be healthier. Can't I buy one fucking thing that is the same as it was fifty years ago ? I can understand cars and shit have changed, and the food of course. But this was one of the basic staples. I'm almost ready to give up on eating healthy, it is becoming impossible. One brand of ketchup is advertised right on it's label "NO HFCS". One brand that I know of. Think it's Hunts. But now I am getting to the point where maybe we need to read the labels every damn week. "Product changes subject to change without notice". It's bad enough we are guinea pigs for GE foods. Hell even if you buy grain and grind it into flour yourself you don't know what the fuck is in it. Is it like this all over ? That question is not rhetorical. European immigrants have told me that while they like the country, the food sucks. Well certain aspects of the country as well, but they'll deal with that. But the food came to their mind in the discussion. Is it that bad ? I think so. I've bought steaks from a hole in the wall that had some real flavor, and the really nice looking ones at the SUPERmarket tasted like shit. Well, bland. No meat flavor. Corn fed/grain fed, I don't know. Those big huge porterhouses are likely to be flavorless, while the smaller ones are usually better. The same applies to chicken I think. Veggies seem to have almost no flavor either. That's after I stopped boiling them also, some I'll steam, some I fry in butter. What's in that butter ? The money exists to eat healthy, but I have so many doubts now, I don't really know what to trust. I do not want HFCS, but it is like everything else, you just can't avoid it completely. Why can they just change shit ? Sure it's their product, but when you see it in a store with the same type logo you have an expectation. That is not being met. What does one have to do, spend three hours at the grocery store reading the labels on everything ? Price doesn't matter. I don't mean I'm a billionaire or anything, but I can pay. But what am I paying for ? Couple weeks ago Tbones went on sale at five bucks a pound. I bought a pack of them. They were excellent, and I know because I don't douse them with a bunch of shit. I eat steaks touched by two things - salt and fire. I can tell you this was very good beef. However I am almost sure that if I go buy more at almost three times the price, they won't be as good. Should I start going to real butchers ? (sounds like a nice crowd actually) I mean the price might not be the lowest but I think the meat might be better. Maybe, is that an assumption I shouldn't make ? Or is it that if the guy is still in business people go there because they get better meat, being fully aware of a steak sale at Kmart or who knows ? Sugar is a part of meat processing as well. If I am not mistaken brown sugar is an ingredient in even the hottest Italian sausage, which is something I like. How will I know it has the real shit in it instead of HFCS ? There is obviously not going to be a pareve on something with pork in it. And they got the "Real Seal" on that poisoned ass shit they call milk now. My total dietary intake of dairy is now sourcream and cheese. I figure these things are made with cultures which depend on bacteria, which means they can't be made effectively from milk that has been "stabilised". Yogurt might be a good choice, if I can find it without sugar, and more importantly HFCS. I also can't believe they are still selling shit with aspartame in it. You gotta be kidding me. Buy a ham lately ? IIRC ham was the product of preserving pork by curing. Not sure of the process but it either involves smoke or salt. The process is to remove the moisture, inhibiting the growth of bacteriae. Made sense for hundreds of years at least. Now I get cheap ham, it lasts two weeks tops. If you rememnber, hams are supposed to last alot longer. That's why people invented them, because they had no refrigerators ! But now even in the fridge they go bad. What the fuck. If I wanted regular pork I would've bought regular pork. I bought ham not just for the flavor, but the faxct it lasts awhile and doesn't usually need to be frozen. But we have an economic paradox here. First of all removing moisture reduces weight. The product is sold by weight. There is another one, if not cured properly, it doesn't last as long, thus promoting future sales. You know I only go out to eat a few times a year so I can know what is in my food. Now even that doesn't work. Thankyou for reading my rant, feel free to add to it. T^T

came4U -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:16:17 PM)
The No High-Fructose Corn Syrup List by brand: http://highfructosehigh.com/

DarkSteven -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:16:48 PM)
Um, Termy, I avoid the processed stuff for the most part. I can't eat pork or shellfish and must be careful about carbs. I avoid HFCS like the plague. Takes maybe an extra ten minutes at the store and it would be a lot less if I didn't need to fish out my reading glasses.

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:22:28 PM)
In the long run- we are all dead. Good rant.

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:25:13 PM)
Term- I would like to know what and where the elite eat. Even a simple thing like a stick of gum is no longer an option. Notice they put that sweatener now on many pills? At least we can have some idea what wont work- people like my mom- tho dont. Last week- I had some ice cream. No more of that sorbital crap.

sirsholly -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:35:07 PM)
Term...i could so easily go off on a rant about this. I am the mom of a little one that has food allergies and as a result i am a label reader in the grocery stores. Once i find a product that is compatible with his allergies and that he actually likes, i should be able to buy it again without reading the label. Guess what? It doesnt work that way. Complacency in label reading on my part can hurt my child because a change in the ingredients can occur without the manufacturer having a requirement to notify the consumer other than the normal listing on the label. I am not asking that a neon sign be installed when a product changes ingredients, but even something as simple as "Improved" on the label for a short time would be enough to alert the consumer that the label must be reread.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:36:35 PM)
I'm not quite so fanatic about it that I will refuse to eat out, but as a general rule if I didn't kill it I won't cook it. Store bought meat is either flavorless or downright nasty, so no thanks. It's easier than you think to get a big-ass outdoor freezer and buy meat on the hoof or with the feathers on from local small farms and backyard poultry keepers.

Termyn8or -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 6:51:02 PM)
"Takes maybe an extra ten minutes at the store and it would be a lot less if I didn't need to fish out my reading glasses. " If you observe Jewish dietetic guidelines, I guess it could be a challenge. There are many things that are obvious, certain foods are just not kosher and that's it, no matter what is or is not put in them. But over the course of time, there are certain things you might grow to trust. But can you trust them ? OK, mainly you could look for the pareve, amd there are certain things that, if added to food will mean no pareve. It can be small, like the copyright symbol. Why would HFCS have that effect, to preclude it ? On the other hand we have milk, which is now purposely tainted with a virus to increase shelf life. Is milk kosher ? I know you're not supposed to have it with meat for religious reasons, but when you drink it is your business. But why is HFCS a nono, yet the real seal can be bandied about this way ? Or can it ? Is there a source of kosher milk, just like kosher Coca Cola ? There have been times I would have drank a Coke, but dammned if I am drinking that HFCS. Why do you have to spend that ten minutes ? When I go get food, I want in and out of there. Is there a non HFCS version of Campbell's tomato soup ? I don't think there's pork in the original recipe. Many original recipe foods are more expensive. We know why. We know why, I am sick of it. I'm sick of this "they can feed us whatever they want" shit. Maybe we need a new standard. Not based on some religion or racial thing, but on health, REAL health. Maybe if the recipe didn'y exists 75 years ago, no "symbol". Awarded to most foods that don't use chemicals. Foods that seemed to work back when the human race worked. It just irks me that on any given day, they can just put any damnthing they want into our food, including worms. And we can't prove a fucking thing to hold them culpable for poisoning us. It has gone too far. You see the label, it should mean something. It does not. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:06:00 PM)
UFR "Term- I would like to know what and where the elite eat." I know a couple places around. You can imagine the prices. However having been there here and there, I really don't think the food is much healthier. "I am the mom of a little one that has food allergies and as a result i am a label reader in the grocery stores." OK, maybe that is more impetus - NOW. That is the female thought process, and there is not a damn thing wrong with that. But, now what about the slow poisons that take years or decades to destroy the human body ? Your concerns are actually everybody's concern, it's just that many of them don't know it yet, and won't until it's too late. "It's easier than you think to get a big-ass outdoor freezer and buy meat on the hoof or with the feathers on from local small farms and backyard poultry keepers. " I'll pay you to do the run, and a bonus if you can get me some raw milk. I can't drink that shit they sell in the stores. [mods, actual intent is not there. No reason to panic. I know it is as illegal as cocaine. Consider it a joke] It's not just that there are no decent regulations on what they can do, it's that there are regulations on WHAT WE CAN DO. T^T

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:16:31 PM)
Sugar is better then HFCS. I avoid HFCS. Tho as you say- it is harder to do.

came4U -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:23:11 PM)
I checked and the nearest location to you (unless you can find someone in the classifieds) is the Giant Eagle Marketplace, Columbus http://www.restaurantwidow.com/2010/10/the-new-giant-eagle-marketplace-epic-tour-with-slide-show.html maybe you get can get a hookup for some game and/or large hunks of venison. I buy mine locally from an ad (local hunters or large property owners) and invested in a countertop vice attached meat grinder. The meat is hormone, antibiotic and preservative free and untouched by a hundred hands as the grocery store meat is. Carving the meat (or grinding) yourself saves money and you can portion for the freezer in bachelor or family sizes. I will continue to try to find a closer distributor for you though, but likely in Cleve, there ain't many choices for game meat lol.

gungadin09 -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:24:39 PM)
i've never understood the argument that high fructose corn syrup is inherently evil. However, in general, the less processed food is, the better. i refuse to believe that HFCS makes canned soup taste significantly different, especially when the soup is being used as an ingredient in another dish. i'm a foodie, and yet i've compared Dr. Pepper made with corn syrup to one made with cane sugar, and only noticed a slight difference. i'm pretty sure Campbell soup tastes like shit whether it's made with real sugar or not. Supermarket meat tastes like nothing because of genetic engineering, factory farming, because it's not aged properly, and because it's packaged in cryovac and left to macerate in it's own blood. Also, frequently, because it has been frozen and defrosted. "Organic" and "free range" labels are reliable indicators of quality, (especially "organic"), when it comes to meat. Any kind of quality meat, ham or otherwise, will be expensive. However, You can confit cheaper cuts of meat, and they should last a long time. Vegetables taste like nothing because of genetic engineering, the fact that they are grown out of season, and the length of time between picking and eating for supermarket produce. A good alternative is to buy from farmer's markets. Milk tastes like nothing because of (again) intensive factory farming and the type of pasteurisation that is used. There is one type that's better, i think the longer, slower one. i forget what it is called. "Ultra-pasteurised" is bad. Unless You are eating really posh sour cream and cheese, You can assume that it's made with pasteurised, non-organic milk. It's then innoculated with bacteria or clabbered with heat, acid or rennet, whatever. Of course You can make Your own sour cream from heavy cream and buttermilk. And true cultured yogurt will be labeled "lactobacillus acidophilus", or at least will say that there are live cultures present. The best advice i can give You is to buy ingredients that are raw or minimally processed, and cook them Yourself. And, like Steven, i don't think it requires hours of label reading to do so. pam

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:36:15 PM)
i'm an avid label reader but it still doesnt take me hours; if i have a doubt about something, i do a quick scan. it doesn't take much time, though i guess if you've got poor eyesight it might. gungadin has the right idea ^_^

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:38:36 PM)
....the calorie is a calorie tale is a farce. FHCS really is bad. Little- it is hard for me to SEE THE LABELs.. the print is too small.

TheHeretic -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 7:55:47 PM)
Maybe you need to find (or start) a religion with strict dietary rules, then take your raw milk case to the Supremes. One small silver lining on knowing the family medical history, and thinking back on the shit I've been exposed to in my life, is that I don't worry a bit about what might be in my daily half-gallon of ice cold milk.

gungadin09 -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 8:04:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or But why is HFCS a nono, yet the real seal can be bandied about this way ? Or can it ? Is there a source of kosher milk, just like kosher Coca Cola ? There have been times I would have drank a Coke, but dammned if I am drinking that HFCS. In my opinion, fear of HFCS borders on paranoid hysteria. i have no idea if there's "kosher milk". But there's "organic milk", right? Incidently, i think Coke manufactured in Mexico is made with real sugar. i've seen it in ethnic food stores. Come to think of it, i'm pretty sure i've seen raw milk sold in some grocery or other. Why do you have to spend that ten minutes ? When I go get food, I want in and out of there. Dude, You went from saying three hours to ten minutes, in just a few posts. If ten minutes is too long, then i guess it's not that important to You, is it? We know why, I am sick of it. I'm sick of this "they can feed us whatever they want" shit. Maybe we need a new standard. Not based on some religion or racial thing, but on health, REAL health. Maybe if the recipe didn'y exists 75 years ago, no "symbol". Awarded to most foods that don't use chemicals. Foods that seemed to work back when the human race worked. Um, there is a label that's not based on religion or race. It's called "organic". There are also things called cookbooks. i don't see a reason why You can't know exactly what's going into Your food, if You want to. It has gone too far. You see the label, it should mean something. It does not. Yes, because You won't spend the ten minutes to read them. It seems simple to me. If it really matters to You, You'll take those ten minutes. pam

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 8:07:27 PM)
No Pam. You are wrong. HFCS is very bad. The body can not metabolize that chemical- hence obesity. It is simply not possible to process - to the body.

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 8:13:02 PM)
White/refined/bleached flour is the other culprit. RUN from it.

Aneirin -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 8:27:18 PM)
Meat, I tend to avoid at the supermarket, I know that lovely red colour that indicates fresh just killed is a dye that is injected in, and other meats are injected with water to make them look more succulent, and no doubt increases the weight. I do like red meat, and white meat for that matter, but I will only buy certified organic meat as it is, I drink certified organic milk and eat oranic eggs. An expense, but they can be got quite cheaply if one shops around. Oh, and anything covered in breadcrumbs or batter I avoid, as I see breadcrumbs and batter as an effective way of disguising mechanically recovered scrapings off the floor. Diet, well, mostly vegetarian these days and along the lines of A'damo's blood group theories, as it works for me, and oddly, ties in with my Ayurvedic dosha. Supermarkets are monsters, they are controlling food production, and by that, they are controlling our eating habits. I always read labels, as I am aware the food business, is a business like any other, and there open to the same sort of practices other businesses get up to, as food, is all about profit.

pahunkboy -> RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? (2/24/2011 8:29:06 PM)
Sure. Why not add saw dust and rocks- to weigh the food down to maximize sales? HA!

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