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Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/24/2011 8:22:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		It seems policies the Republican Party applies when in power hurt America. Examples are going to war and putting it on a credit card, cutting spending on the backs of women and the poor, and this example of Republicans opposing trying to preserve a company that’s important to the American economy. There’s no such thing as a free market anymore.
 
I remember Obama saying in an effort to be bipartisan, Republicans love America just as much as Democrats but it looks like not everyone agrees with him.
                     
Why Do Republicans Hate America?

The Center for Automotive Research has determined that the bailout to GM and Chrysler saved more than 1.4 million jobs in 2009 and 2010. If government had listened to Republicans in 2009, those jobs would have been lost forever…as would the American automobile industry.

So how will the GOP spin this one? I’m guessing it’ll be along the lines of suggesting that the profit-sharing checks to GM’s unionized workers are nothing more than government handouts. Socialists! Socialists! Kill the unions!

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/24/2011 8:45:47 PM   
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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/24/2011 9:33:03 PM   
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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/24/2011 11:04:12 PM   
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Republicans dont hate America any more or less than Democrats or Independents. They simply see a different way of governing.

Financially, we (americans) are in a huge mess. Playing the blame game is fine, but action is also required. Even I, liberal though I may be, understand that. Im willing to bet many on these boards are willing to agree with me on that one issue.

Cuts need to be taken everywhere. I resent cuts being handed out to the poor while the DOD gets more money. Others view it as necessary for national defense.

Regardless, our government has one hell of a job to do. I agree with another poster... though I cant remember who said it... that this is all alot of grand standing.

The cuts wont make it through the Senate. Giving one man power to determine what programs get cut and by how much is insane.

What ISnt insane is that a whole lot of belt tightening is needed... and soon.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/24/2011 11:13:23 PM   
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bailout to GM and Chrysler saved more than 1.4 million jobs in 2009 and 2010


Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 3:03:39 AM   
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bailout to GM and Chrysler saved more than 1.4 million jobs in 2009 and 2010

Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.


Really?

And your analysis is based on what exactly? What is your credentials? Hold a Ph.D. in Economics? International Business? Since GM's effect can be felt on both a nation and international scale. I would assume a carefully prepared, and well thoughtout 'analysis' would explain this....indepth. Yours fails to even hint at that, let along explain.

So, if GM closed down, according to your 'analysis', those jobs at GM, would NOT be lost. And those jobs further down the pipeline (dealerships, mechanics, service stores, etc) would likewise not lost (according to your 'Masterful' analysis). Because you stated it is B.S., it must be B.S. Because you would NEVER be bias on the issue, thanks to your 'analysis'.

And what is your analysis? Fluff. There are no numbers, there are no sources to back up your arguement. There is NOTHING. Your understanding of markets is that of a 2nd grader playing Monopoly.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 4:41:35 AM   
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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 5:29:41 AM   
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Just stop.

Republicans dont hate America any more or less than Democrats or Independents. They simply see a different way of governing.

Financially, we (americans) are in a huge mess. Playing the blame game is fine, but action is also required. Even I, liberal though I may be, understand that. Im willing to bet many on these boards are willing to agree with me on that one issue.

Cuts need to be taken everywhere. I resent cuts being handed out to the poor while the DOD gets more money. Others view it as necessary for national defense.

Regardless, our government has one hell of a job to do. I agree with another poster... though I cant remember who said it... that this is all alot of grand standing.

The cuts wont make it through the Senate. Giving one man power to determine what programs get cut and by how much is insane.

What ISnt insane is that a whole lot of belt tightening is needed... and soon.


You have bought into the whole "cuts need to be made" story. Its bullshit. Revenues need to be increased. We will not cut ourselves into prosperity. Giving a supposed "recovery" in the Auto Industry is bullshit as well. They cut themselves basically in half to get to where they are today. In other words they cut their legs off to survive. These legs being workers both Professional and Plant workers.....

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 5:49:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
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bailout to GM and Chrysler saved more than 1.4 million jobs in 2009 and 2010

Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.


Really?

And your analysis is based on what exactly? What is your credentials? Hold a Ph.D. in Economics? International Business? Since GM's effect can be felt on both a nation and international scale. I would assume a carefully prepared, and well thoughtout 'analysis' would explain this....indepth. Yours fails to even hint at that, let along explain.

So, if GM closed down, according to your 'analysis', those jobs at GM, would NOT be lost. And those jobs further down the pipeline (dealerships, mechanics, service stores, etc) would likewise not lost (according to your 'Masterful' analysis). Because you stated it is B.S., it must be B.S. Because you would NEVER be bias on the issue, thanks to your 'analysis'.

And what is your analysis? Fluff. There are no numbers, there are no sources to back up your arguement. There is NOTHING. Your understanding of markets is that of a 2nd grader playing Monopoly.


Sheesh.

Fellow's use of the word "market" pretty much explains his stance.  Basically, if there is a demand for 40 million cars a year and GM is healthy, GM will provide a portion of them.  If GM goes bankrupt and closes down, the demand will still be there, so other car companies will make them instead.  If you assume that each company needs the same man hours to produce a car, then GM's failure will have no effect on employment levels.  Same with the suppliers that feed those car companies.

If you want to shoot holes in his argument, you may want to postulate that foreign companies might pick up the slack left by GM, effectively shipping jobs overseas.  But I get so confused when you have foreign companies producing cars in America and American companies producing cars overseas...


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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 6:23:22 AM   
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the demand will still be there


The U.S. has more cars than drivers. Literally.

This isn't 1950 anymore, and there's no use pretending.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 6:24:25 AM   
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quote:

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Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.



Really!!! There are so many holes in your 'analysis', i can say for sure you came to this conclusion purely without any thought just on ideology... So, you think if there is a demand for cars, one car company folding will not make any affect on the jobs as other car companies will take over... Apart from the fact that other foreign companies could come in to fulfill the demand & thus rather than having jobs in US you are creating more jobs in China or India... OK, if you believe there could be other domestic car companies jumping in...  Do, you know how much time it to put up a new plant... or even restructure an existing one to make newer or more cars.... Look, free market economics sounds cool on paper but put more than ten minutes of thought into it & even a economics undergraduate can find a hundred holes in Ayn Rand's work...

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 6:36:28 AM   
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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 6:37:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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bailout to GM and Chrysler saved more than 1.4 million jobs in 2009 and 2010


Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.



So all the auto workers in this area, who lost their jobs when the plants close, should report back to work? Wow, they will be really glad to hear that.


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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 7:33:04 AM   
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Even without analysis one may conclude this is BS. Taking out one company from the market does not eliminate jobs (unless there is no demand at all). This is not how markets work. If 1.4 million was lost, they have no useful purpose.



Really!!! There are so many holes in your 'analysis', i can say for sure you came to this conclusion purely without any thought just on ideology... So, you think if there is a demand for cars, one car company folding will not make any affect on the jobs as other car companies will take over... Apart from the fact that other foreign companies could come in to fulfill the demand & thus rather than having jobs in US you are creating more jobs in China or India... OK, if you believe there could be other domestic car companies jumping in...  Do, you know how much time it to put up a new plant... or even restructure an existing one to make newer or more cars.... Look, free market economics sounds cool on paper but put more than ten minutes of thought into it & even a economics undergraduate can find a hundred holes in Ayn Rand's work...


To continue poking holes, GM closing is not like a local McDonalds closing due to the extraordinarily high barrier to entry to the automobile manufacturing industry.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 8:04:11 AM   
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Funneling money to the rich, bankrupting the country, vilifying illegal immigrants and gays, classifying corporations as "people" with constitutional protections, supporting policies to encourage trade and borrowing with communist China, imprisoning over 2 million Americans, looking the other way during the Wall Street Swindle, defending BP during the oil spill, and starting ill fated wars abroad are all really acts of love.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 8:12:56 AM   
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You have bought into the whole "cuts need to be made" story. Its bullshit. Revenues need to be increased. We will not cut ourselves into prosperity. Giving a supposed "recovery" in the Auto Industry is bullshit as well. They cut themselves basically in half to get to where they are today. In other words they cut their legs off to survive. These legs being workers both Professional and Plant workers.....


First, dont call it "bullshit". I never agreed with the bailouts. Search the threads and you will see that.

You can only increase revenues so much. Are you actually prepared to argue that there isnt ALOT of fat that can be shaved off many of these programs? Are you willing to argue that the military needs 8 billion dollars more?

NO ONE should be getting " more" in this economy. Across the board cuts are indicated. How much? Whats wrong with an equal percentage for each program?

Im hardly advocating not increasing revenue. But we have to be smart about all this, or we are just pasting on a bandaid over a gaping wound.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 9:07:51 AM   
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"And your analysis is based on what exactly? What is your credentials? Hold a Ph.D. in Economics? International Business?"

That's the kind of thinking that got us into this mess. The fucking people who ran this country into the ground do have degrees and all that.

If they're so fucking good why isn't the economy robust ? Or is it robust just because "they" say so, despite the fact that anyone living on the planet knows it's a total disaster ?

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 9:15:04 AM   
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Just stop.

Republicans don't hate America any more or less than Democrats or Independents. They simply see a different way of governing.

Financially, we (Americans) are in a huge mess. Playing the blame game is fine, but action is also required. Even I, liberal though I may be, understand that. I'm willing to bet many on these boards are willing to agree with me on that one issue.

Cuts need to be taken everywhere. I resent cuts being handed out to the poor while the DOD gets more money. Others view it as necessary for national defense.

Regardless, our government has one hell of a job to do. I agree with another poster... though I cant remember who said it... that this is all a lot of grand standing.

The cuts wont make it through the Senate. Giving one man power to determine what programs get cut and by how much is insane.

What isn't insane is that a whole lot of belt tightening is needed... and soon.


This.


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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 9:20:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		"First, dont call it "bullshit". I never agreed with the bailouts. Search the threads and you will see that."

The bailouts were a bandaid. The rules are if you run a compny into the ground, you lose your job. That didn't happen.

If we are so good and so great, the best in the world, the beacon shining as an example to the world, how come they can do what we can't ? Fuck slave labor. Honda and Toyota at least have plenty of plants here and do what we can't do in the exact same economic environment, using approximately the same labor pool. And they're not paying fifty cents a day. They are paying US taxes. I guess GM and Chrysler don't have to pay now since they lose money. Fair ir fair I guess.

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They failed. If I fail I lose, They fail and win. On our money. THAT'S the fucking problem. They're a bunch of goniffs, and instead of putting them in prison where they belong, we put them on a par four golf course. Well, at least there their bogeys only result in a few broken windows, rather than a broke country.

Sorry if I agree more.

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RE: Why Do Republicans Hate America? - 2/25/2011 9:21:45 AM   
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The problem is that BOTH parties LOVE power and they are willing to sacrifice anything, even the wellbeing of the country, to obtain and keep that power.

Both of them are like Satan in "Paradise Lost". They feel it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. If they were the only ones going, I wouldn't mind. Problem is they're dragging the rest of us down with them.

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