RE: Doubting my affiliation

RE: Doubting my affiliation (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

flcouple2009 -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 7:14:41 AM)
Guilty conscience much rml?

Arpig -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 7:38:05 AM)
quote: No I don't think so, but I seem to have inspired it, so it would be nice if he would speak to me directly. Actually you didn't....I didn't even bring you up, somebody else did, but still if the shoe fits and all that jazz

Pleasurepleasing -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 7:48:52 AM)
Oops

TreasureKY -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 8:02:01 AM)
A great thread, Arpig. The few times I've even tried to engage in any kind of conversation on here lately, I've run into the same thing... and yes, I'm tired of it... from all sides. Most recently I tried to point out thoughts similar to yours to another couple of posters here... quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY ... It is about having a voice is one's own contributions to society. Do I believe in government charity? Not particularly, but I do realize there are good reasons for it to exist. What irks me to no ends is to see people (like some here in this thread) persist in demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with them, and by doing so try to negate their right to have a say in how tax money is spent. and quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY ... Those who don't feel as you must be evil, selfish and hateful, or mentally ill. In marginalizing the people who dare to offer countering viewpoints, you build a platform upon which those and others can be denied consideration and representation. And people wonder why it's becoming harder to reach compromise. Go gather together a disparate group of people, shout them down and call them all a bunch of evil, sick fucks, then see how willing they are to work with you. and quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY ... I may not agree with some here about how they'd go about solving problems... I may think they are wrong. But I do not belittle them for their opinions. I do not try to marginalize them for their viewpoints. I do not personally disparage them or try to sway others against them for the beliefs they hold. Until we agree to disagree... respect that others can hold opposing views without being monsters... there's little point of even hoping for reasonable solutions to society's problems. My words fell on deaf ears. Hopefully you will have better luck. Best wishes, TreasureKY

TheHeretic -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 8:17:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The conservative track does not include govt. owning the means of production. No, it certainly doesn't, Rodg. If you see socialism as an end in itself, then we aren't going to get much of anywhere, and you'll just have to remain wrong. On the other hand, if you see socialism as a method of achieving certain goals for a better society and quality of life for all, then let's talk about what those goals are. One reason for my departure from, and occasional bashing of, political liberalism as it exists in the US is how often they view the problem to be solved, and their proposed solution as being one and the same. To address poverty, they devised a welfare system with all sorts of negative impacts in the very communities it was designed to help, but to attack those issues with the attempted remedy is regarded as an attack on the problem. If I say welfare has created a multi-generational dependency sub-culture, the response is that I want poor people to starve to death in the gutter. Not productive.

tazzygirl -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 8:24:01 AM)
quote: If I say welfare has created a multi-generational dependency sub-culture, the response is that I want poor people to starve to death in the gutter. Not productive. I cant argue this. I would even go so far as to say welfare created a complacency that will take as many years to break as it took to create.

kdsub -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 10:41:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig through reasoned discussion we can all come to the conclusion that Arpig and his socialists are on the right track [:D] Nope. But perhaps through reasoned discussion it can be established that the conservative track is the better method of moving towards the destination [;)] But maybe it should be...Lets take the best parts of both tracks and see if it serves the people best. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 10:48:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig hey, no prob...the truth is...regardless of political affiliation Yes but the truth today is not necessarily the truth tomorrow...what is true is only the perception of the majority. Butch

Real0ne -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 10:50:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Fuck I am getting tired of the American left/right bullshit especially since it is really just a far right/moderate right debate...you have no real leftists in your government gotta have a government first. it was converted to corporate statism long tim e ago

hlen5 -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 10:59:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig hey, no prob...the truth is...regardless of political affiliation Yes but the truth today is not necessarily the truth tomorrow...what is true is only the perception of the majority. Butch 1984 is here.

kdsub -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 11:10:11 AM)
I’m more optimistic and less inclined to believe we are in a Orwell type society. I just believe the truth always comes with a perspective that often changes over time. Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 11:27:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I’m more optimistic and less inclined to believe we are in a Orwell type society. I just believe the truth always comes with a perspective that often changes over time. Butch Depends really. Morals, yes, certainly bound by accepted norms. Science and knowledge is tempered by our limited experience of the world and its mechanisms, so yeah, 'truth' isn't wholly set in stone. But, what we understand as 'truth' is certainly more than a 'perspective'. The 'truth' is grounded in robust scientific analysis. It is something that is as true as you'll get based on what we know of the world, but must be placed in the context of it not being impossible that the earth won't spin the other way tomorrow (we simply don't expect it to based on previous experience). In terms of Orwell, depends whether or not you take him literally. In supposedly free societies, control and coercion is much more insidious, persuasive and subtle than your average totalitarian regime. Although assuming the cornerstone of totalitarianism is censorship, I'm sure you'll agree that all of the supposedly free societies have form for supressing certain ideas and as such betray certain aspects of totalitarianism. Then again, there aren't that many people running around who haven't used some form of foul means for a favourable outcome, so why would government be any different?

kdsub -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 11:40:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent The 'truth' is grounded in robust scientific analysis. Hi NorthernGent...I've not seen you lately...glad you're back. I'm not sure you are understanding my contention. Take for instance the dropping of the bomb on Japan. Certainly before and for a time after the war the truth was the bomb would and did save lives on both sides. As the years when by this truth in some parts of the world changed to …Dropping the bomb was a barbaric act that killed thousands of innocent men women and children. Another is the healthcare bill of Obama’s… During the Clinton administration a bill very close in actuality was proposed by the Republican opposition as an alternative to Clintons more socialistic proposal. At that time it was the only true way to proceed yet today this same truth has a different perception by the same party. There are many examples through history of the change in perception of the truth that have nothing to do with morals… but simply what is believed to be the truth by the majority. Butch

rulemylife -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 12:22:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: No I don't think so, but I seem to have inspired it, so it would be nice if he would speak to me directly. Actually you didn't....I didn't even bring you up, somebody else did, but still if the shoe fits and all that jazz Actually you did on the other thread that you transferred this whine from.

rulemylife -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 12:25:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 Guilty conscience much rml? Not about a thing.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 1:04:44 PM)
Congratulations, you've become Sanity's mirror image.

rulemylife -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 1:08:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: No I don't think so, but I seem to have inspired it, so it would be nice if he would speak to me directly. Actually you didn't....I didn't even bring you up, somebody else did, but still if the shoe fits and all that jazz It seems to be a carryover from an argument we had on a previous thread.

rulemylife -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 1:16:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 Congratulations, you've become Sanity's mirror image. And I don't have any shame about that. As much as I get into harsh debates with Sanity he takes a position on issues and stands behind it. In contrast to those who believe they are being sensible by taking no position.

DCWoody -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 4:50:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Yeah well I went insane long before I started on here....so clearly there is no causality You know the ironic thing, buddy? You may very well be the most insane person among all the regular posters on this forum, yet you are one of the very few who aren't crazy. You're the one who makes 80% of the people here look crazy in comparison. What does that say about this forum? Actually it says a lot about you, too, and what kind of a guy you are, but at the same time it's a pretty sad commentary on what used to be a fairly decent political forum. This, there aren't too many (actually I can only think of two names, there are most certainly more I just don't recall well enough though) people who're consistently reasonable ITF, but arpig is one of them. MARINI "I can't engage in meaningful conversations with those on EITHER side, that make vitrolic, mean, nasty and hateful comments. The sad thing is, I often agree with their position, but can't really support their behavior, so I try to just avoid many discussions." I am often, in P&R, rude & insulting.....mostly intentionally but I do also suffer from foot in mouth disease.....but not because I'm a nasty person. I guess typing that means nothhing, Hitler probably thought that he was basically a nice guy.....but, I'd hope people don't think I'm too much of a bastard just because I'm rude on here.....there's just so very much on P&R to be rude and insulting about. I think a large part of the....hateful...ambience on here might be from people who'd generally be reasonable and patient if there weren't the.....goodwill draining ridiculousness of cucky/pah/real/sanity posts that it is so utterly worthless being reasonable in responsive to. When in other forum I might patiently discuss economics with someone who is clearly just repeating some bollocks they've read in a newspaper, here....with 95% of threads being completely without value, it just seems a waste of time to do anything other than tell them to piss off.

Anaxagoras -> RE: Doubting my affiliation (2/27/2011 9:34:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig through reasoned discussion we can all come to the conclusion that Arpig and his socialists are on the right track [:D] Nope. But perhaps through reasoned discussion it can be established that the conservative track is the better method of moving towards the destination [;)] My own personal view of the left-right divide is that being politically left or right has little to do with the rational choosing of the individual. I've come to the conclusion that it is a choice based on character predispositions and environment (era/zeitgeist, education etc.). That seems to be why many people judge others personally for being of the left or right. Its probably obvious but no one side owns reason/logic. Its true that if we start from a stance that is largely irrational and try to reason through issues the end result can easily be self-serving. Ideology is ingrained in culture and it can be a burden. It is difficult but most need to try to suspend their political beliefs to understand a given issue because ideology can cloud reality. Truth should trump mere opinion in terms of value, and in my opinion societies are headed toward tyranny or disaster when strength of opinion wins out over truth

Page: << < prev 1 2 3 [4] 5 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875