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Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 5:26:42 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		I am an avowed socialist..I vote NDP (Canadian socialist-lite party), I am a capital letter LIBERAL in almost all things...yet something seems wrong...lately the right wingers on here (minus the idiots like Sanity and the cuckytwins) seem to be the more reasonable (especially luckydawg on the Libya thread). What the fuck is going on here, am I the only leftist who can accept that the righties can be right some times? am I the only lefty who can admit that a righty may indeed be correct regardless of his political persuasion?
Jesus H murgatroid!!! just because they are on the wrong side of the aisle doesn't mean their opinions are worthless, and rather than just dismissing their ideas why don't you engage them in a real debate?


Fuck I am getting tired of the American left/right bullshit especially since it is really just a far right/moderate right debate...you have no real leftists in your government


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 5:43:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think many of even the most hardcore liberals* around (ie, me) accept that pragmatism is the best option in foreign policy....something that perhaps's been best embraced by authoritarian right wing parties.

*This word does not mean what you think it does usaicans.

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 5:48:47 PM   
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quote:

*This word does not mean what you think it does usaicans.
damn right!! Damned Liberals are too far right for my tatses

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 6:29:46 PM   
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You just wanted to lash out generally didnt you. Good for you, if these morons were my bedfellows Id have gone insane long ago, just like you.

And as far as I am concerned, youve placed me in far better company than you have been standing with, your rmls and your lucys, so no hard feelings.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I am an avowed socialist..I vote NDP (Canadian socialist-lite party), I am a capital letter LIBERAL in almost all things...yet something seems wrong...lately the right wingers on here (minus the idiots like Sanity and the cuckytwins) seem to be the more reasonable (especially luckydawg on the Libya thread). What the fuck is going on here, am I the only leftist who can accept that the righties can be right some times? am I the only lefty who can admit that a righty may indeed be correct regardless of his political persuasion?
Jesus H murgatroid!!! just because they are on the wrong side of the aisle doesn't mean their opinions are worthless, and rather than just dismissing their ideas why don't you engage them in a real debate?


Fuck I am getting tired of the American left/right bullshit especially since it is really just a far right/moderate right debate...you have no real leftists in your government



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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 6:39:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lucy I still like, but RML is ify...he's less a leftist and more of an anti-rightist...if you get the difference.

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 6:50:10 PM   
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Yeah, I do.


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 7:04:16 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		You know Sanity old buddy, as much as I may think you are a fool, every once in a while you come out with an insightful comment that reassures me you are worth taking seriously (some of the time )

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 7:07:47 PM   
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Well thank you Arpig, you old asshole. Much as I give some of you a hard time I do grudgingly  respects a few of you leftists, quite a bit.

Especially you.


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 7:38:25 PM   
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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 7:44:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you on those points Bill, but that's why we are both leftists. I am not saying that the righties are correct, just that they are not wrong simply by virtue of being right-leaning. In several recent threads the righties have trounced the lefties when it comes to providing proof (well one rightie in particular) while the lefties seem to be playing the traditional republican role of crybaby.
I rarely really get involved because quite simply there;'s no reason to try to convince the ill-informed...My viewpoint is correct and that is all there is to it...but my viewpoint is neither absolute or immutable

ETA: to add a missing "c"


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 8:41:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Good for you, if these morons were my bedfellows Id have gone insane long ago...


So that's how it happened...


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 8:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah well I went insane long before I started on here....so clearly there is no causality

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 8:51:40 PM   
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Thank you for articulating so well, how I have felt on here for years.
I am a moderate and tend to lean left on many issues, NOT all.

I love to debate and chat about political issues and world affairs.
The level of excessive nastiness by many on the extreme
left and right on here, is so appalling that I can rarely engage in a civil conversation with them.

Rich, and I don't agree on many issues, but we have always managed to stay civil.
I can't engage in meaningful conversations with those on EITHER side, that make vitrolic, mean, nasty and hateful comments.
The sad thing is, I often agree with their position, but can't really support their behavior, so I try to just avoid many discussions.

In fact there are MANY people on Collarme, that I really don't care to befriend or meet in the real world because of the way they treat others on here, OR the way they can condone and kiss up to those that DO think they can treat people like shit on a consistent basis, or think that being mean and nasty to others is just "funny" or that maybe it makes them entertaining or "cool".


I am always on the lookout for those that are mean, nasty and bully other students in school, and I will be damned if I want "friends" in my life that enjoy being mean, nasty and bullying other adults.
I consider people like this to be assholes, that are incapable of making strong and valid points without ridiculing others.
I think I can do a great job, supporting my POINT of view, without calling you names, but than it is great to be me.

I consider most of this "cyber bullying" because most of these losers would never make these comments in real life to people's face, because they would get their teeth knocked out, their asses kicked or shot, or their heads bashed in.
Hiding behind a keyboard are you matey?


Arpig are you really just noticing this, or just waited to make this point?

What I love is those that I agree with 90% of the time, but want to call me a racist because I think we need to take a stand on illegal immigration.
If you demean me, because we disagree on 1 issue out of a million, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
I have NEVER been a follower.
Deal.

As always, to each their own.
Great post Arpig!!
You rock!

< Message edited by Marini -- 2/26/2011 9:40:31 PM >

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 8:59:46 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		Thanks Marini..and you got it 100% surely we can discuss and debate without totally fucking things up (though I will admit I am quick to reply with a quick "fuck off" when a post is just to stupid). But still its easy to be generous when you are right

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:07:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Yeah well I went insane long before I started on here....so clearly there is no causality


You know the ironic thing, buddy? You may very well be the most insane person among all the regular posters on this forum, yet you are one of the very few who aren't crazy. You're the one who makes 80% of the people here look crazy in comparison. What does that say about this forum? Actually it says a lot about you, too, and what kind of a guy you are, but at the same time it's a pretty sad commentary on what used to be a fairly decent political forum.

As for your thread-opener... as someone who could perhaps be most accurately described as a libertarian socialist, I gave up on most of my fellow liberals many years ago. The majority of American "liberals", if you can call them that, are just as stupid, just as ill-informed, just as duplicitous and hypocritical, and just as ignorant about anything more complex and intellectually challenging  than "American Idol" as their conservative counterparts. I have very little use for other Americans no matter what their ideological affiliation. I view the average American conservative with contempt and disgust, and the average American liberal... well, I guess I'd prefer not to look at them at all.  I'd prefer to just turn my back and walk away from them.


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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:35:37 PM   
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It's a lot better when you think of a person as just a person rather than a political party member. It amazes me that people often think every thought and action in a posters life is filtered through a party platform.

I’ll bet most people here say what they feel in their heart and would say and feel the same things even if there were no political parties.


Butch

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:42:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Hi Arpig

It's a lot better when you think of a person as just a person rather than a political party member. It amazes me that people often think every thought and action in a posters life is filtered through a party platform.

I’ll bet most people here say what they feel in their heart and would say and feel the same things even if there were no political parties.


Butch



THIS!!! I don't care if I have ANY fucking "friends" online on the left if they can't make their point, without going out of their way to demean and insult other people, name call, and enjoy talking to other people like shit, because they DARE have a different point of view.
I can stand the hell alone.

Can you tell I despise bullies?
lol

< Message edited by Marini -- 2/26/2011 10:13:06 PM >

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:46:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig
I am an avowed socialist..I vote NDP (Canadian socialist-lite party), I am a capital letter LIBERAL in almost all things...yet something seems wrong...lately the right wingers on here (minus the idiots like Sanity and the cuckytwins) seem to be the more reasonable (especially luckydawg on the Libya thread). What the fuck is going on here, am I the only leftist who can accept that the righties can be right some times? am I the only lefty who can admit that a righty may indeed be correct regardless of his political persuasion?
Jesus H murgatroid!!! just because they are on the wrong side of the aisle doesn't mean their opinions are worthless, and rather than just dismissing their ideas why don't you engage them in a real debate?

Fuck I am getting tired of the American left/right bullshit especially since it is really just a far right/moderate right debate...you have no real leftists in your government

Because there is an obvious over emphasis on right or left, people often lay claim to know before hand what others positions will be. There are some who think I am both right and left which is a good thing...because I am.

I treat people here as I am treated. But our whole discussion according to many is a construct to keep us at each other and distracted from other deep-seated problems in govt. and from all directions.

The only thing I might differ with you on this subject is that I believe in our country's original conservatism with little exception but today's conservatism (right wing thinking, blogging & talking heads) takes a different tack. As a result, I see everywhere including here, every bit as much if not a lot more unreasonable behavior and arguments in addition to the vitriol and character assassination from the right than I ever have.

I tend to avoid those OP's that become in effect, a chat room for the perpetrators.



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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:49:46 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		It is our loss, if you don't post as much, because of that behavior.

If you notice, I rarely talk to more than 3 or 4 posters on any topic.

I have practiced selective reading, and selective posting for years.

It is not that hard to avoid nasty people.

I often don't even respond to many posts made towards me.

I am not that hard up for conversation, that I am compelled to type or answer to "everyone".

< Message edited by Marini -- 2/26/2011 9:53:36 PM >

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RE: Doubting my affiliation - 2/26/2011 9:54:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose it really is so, but on here we can only judge them by what they post...and to be honest I bet 75% of the people on here would be embarrassed to say the shit they say on here in front of their family. Its a weird filter we have here, but we have to live with what we have.
Thinking about a reply I made to Tom earlier....It isn't the right wingers or left wingers so much as the anti-right/anti-left wingers that piss me off. Look I KNOW the right wingers are wrong in the general scheme of things but they have a shitload of good ideas if you can get past the bullshit leftie/rightie stuff...they have ideas that can be of use, they have ideas that are good, they have ideas that are well worth exploring...they are wrong overall, but they are not wrong simply because they are righties. Hell it all depends on one's point of reference from where I am Obama is a rightist...disappointed in him actually because is so right wing...like I said it all depends on where you are coming from


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