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GreedyTop -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 4:21:57 AM)

so, as you have made quite clear.. your 'original thoughts' are all wikithink?




sunshinemiss -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 4:30:39 AM)

*just stopping by to say thanks for the Nikki Giovanni poem. Love that woman's work!




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 4:52:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

*just stopping by to say thanks for the Nikki Giovanni poem. Love that woman's work!


I looked up some more poems written by Nikki Giovanni. She does excellent work. She is an impressive lady.




GreedyTop -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 5:08:30 AM)

hmm.. The TRD has blocked me, I am guessing, since I almost never get a response unless someone quotes me.

*TRD = teh real dunce..prounounced tird*




susie -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 5:39:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: susie

Oh well it is good to know I wasted all that time getting a degree in Mathamatics. Where did you get yours?


If what you are saying is true, you're not all that well educated. You can take your degree and flush it because you really didn't accomplish anything. I do not respect people who do nothing with their lives. Be true in what you do.


Good to know that having a loving and happy relationship, surviving cancer twice and running a very successful business together means we have done nothing with our lives.

Heyho I will take my life over yours any day of the week.




susie -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 5:42:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

hmm.. The TRD has blocked me, I am guessing, since I almost never get a response unless someone quotes me.

*TRD = teh real dunce..prounounced tird*


And there I was mistakenly reading it as Turd (as in Dog) oops!

Thank you for your kind words GT. Now at least I know I have done nothing with my life so I will slink away and maybe drown my sorrows in a pint of warm beer.[sm=givemebeer.gif]




GreedyTop -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 9:09:02 AM)

yeah, Susie.. yer SUch a failure.. *snerk*

slink away (I have a spare room....and fuzzybutt kittehs to keep ya co.)

oh, and could you please video the slinking away? I am voyeuristic  like that *giggle*




Moonhead -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 10:15:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Few men can do what I can do.

Lots of men can post ridiculous nonsense on the internet, sweetie: haven't you looked at the rest of this forum?




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 1:08:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
*just stopping by to say thanks for the Nikki Giovanni poem. Love that woman's work!
You're welcome. [:)] I love her work too. M




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 4:51:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
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ORIGINAL: susie

Oh well it is good to know I wasted all that time getting a degree in Mathamatics. Where did you get yours?


If what you are saying is true, you're not all that well educated. You can take your degree and flush it because you really didn't accomplish anything. I do not respect people who do nothing with their lives. Be true in what you do.


Good to know that having a loving and happy relationship, surviving cancer twice and running a very successful business together means we have done nothing with our lives.

Heyho I will take my life over yours any day of the week.


You underestimate the difficulty to achieve anything that will stand for an eternity. It is not for you to tear down those who have achieved such things with supposed authority. As the Man said, Forgive them for they know not what they do.




susie -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/21/2011 8:02:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

You underestimate the difficulty to achieve anything that will stand for an eternity. It is not for you to tear down those who have achieved such things with supposed authority. As the Man said, Forgive them for they know not what they do.


As I have not, and never will come across anyone that has come remotely close to acheiving such a thing I have no worries.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/22/2011 5:14:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

As I have not, and never will come across anyone that has come remotely close to acheiving such a thing I have no worries.



In other words I've pegged you correctly.




ModTwentyOne -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/22/2011 8:40:32 AM)

Please stop the off-topic remarks.




ModTwentyOne -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/22/2011 11:30:16 AM)

Continuing off topic remarks after a reminder on the thread is generally not a good thing to do.





BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 6:12:08 AM)

This is something of a summation.

Can salvation, which is related to morals, be obtained by the lesser road? The question is vexing. I believe it is possible, but on the face of it, it would appear that Salvation under such circumstances would appear to be unlikely. My encounters with the supernatural suggest that events of extraordinary moral perpetuity are significant, that they complete the Holy contract. Those who traverse the lesser road are less likely to engage in such activities, however. Consequently, they must be encouraged. I do not believe Heaven to be a place of equality. Salvation is distinct from riches.

I believe that heroes, more specifically Saints, enable those who traverse a lesser path to achieve Salvation. I have referred to Saints in the past as signal boosters. In other words, events of extraordinary moral perpetuity complete the Holy contract in a direct way whereas those who traverse a lesser path must achieve it indirectly via appeal, that is intercession. The intercession of Christ, God-Hero, or the intercession of a Saint I do not feel are theologically distinct. A Saint can be a living Saint much like Christ. A Saint need not die in order to be a Saint much as was the case for Saint Joan of Arc. Saint Joan of Arc was a living Saint. Belief in a Saint can save you much as belief in Christ can save you. Intercession of a Saint is appropriate for those who will achieve Salvation indirectly since the standard set by Christ is too great. It is thorough the heroism of a Saint that makes it possible for those who live by lesser standards to achieve Salvation. All is fair since Salvation and riches are distinct. Salvation does not imply a place of honor within Heaven. It implies only entry into Heaven.

Think of it as a grading system such as you have in school with A B C D, but with no F. Grading is instead carried out in two parts. The first part is a pass fail test. If you pass you have won Salvation. If you fail, you are damned. Provided that you pass, the second part is where you are assigned your position in the Divine pecking order.

Why is it that the emphasis is on Salvation and not your position in the Divine pecking order? The answer is three fold. Unless you are saved, the Divine pecking order is immaterial. The significance of merely qualifying for entry into Heaven should not be belittled. It is possible to get caught up in ambition where you fail to qualify for entry into Heaven. This was the Sin that was committed by the fallen angel Lucifer. Wealth does not imply Salvation. Wealth does not imply that you will not qualify, but it can and often is a distraction.

Because direct Salvation involves at least one extraordinary event of moral perpetuity, moral perfection is strictly speaking unnecessary. Moral perfection, however, is needed by those who follow the lesser path. The conundrum is those who follow the lesser path are less likely to seek moral perfection. Moral perfection can only be achieved by God. Though moral perfection is desirable, it is a fool's quest. It cannot be pursued in a manner that is puritanical. It must be valued. It is to be given respect. Its achievement is immaterial. It is God who will forgive your Sins and breach the gap. As you can see, technically speaking, moral perfection is in fact needed. Though needed it is also a technicality.

This is the reason why the faithful should forgive the Catholic Church for its transgressions. It was never about being pure. It is about communicating to you the importance of purity. This is why the Church should have granted King Henry VIII a divorce even though the divorce was wrong. The way through the conundrum was to have said though we grant the divorce, the path chosen is not the path of honor and his wife who is now his former wife may remarry within the Church for she has committed no wrong. In fact his first wife, Queen Catharine of Aragon, may be qualified in my opinion for canonization for her efforts to uphold what was right.




mnottertail -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 6:28:00 AM)

I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

Catholics should be burned at the stake to test their faith. 




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 7:05:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

Catholics should be burned at the stake to test their faith.


Consider some of the theological implications of me posting in a forum such as this. It suggests that the distinction between ordinary folk, the vanilla world, and this one, as moral perpetuity is concerned, is not regarded by God as great as many believe.




mnottertail -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 7:21:05 AM)

Or that god is not regarded as greatly by a number of human beings as people would like to believe.




GreedyTop -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 8:20:22 AM)

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Can salvation, which is related to morals, be obtained by the lesser road?


according to many, yes.  As long as one 'repents' and 'accepts Jesus' (not you, OP.. JESUS), then the sacrfice on the cross washes away the sins,  thus making the sinner worthy of entering the house of God.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/23/2011 8:27:55 AM)

Part I

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Or that god is not regarded as greatly by a number of human beings as people would like to believe.


On this point we agree, but you are conveniently failing to make a subtle distinction. Truth comes in varieties. What you are arguing is that truth comes in only one variety, but it is more convoluted than this. You are denying the mystery that there is, but one truth; thereby, discredit those who adhere to this mystery by saying they are hypocrites. As I've pointed out before on the face of it the pious are hypocrites. As fantastic as it may seem God does not have any need to adhere to our sensibilities of what is logical. This is possible because our understanding of logic is demonstrably rudimentary. In other words, we don't know as much as we think we do.

Part II

Why does God need signal boosters? We cast shadows. Recall the quote from post 580 "As processions passing in the road cannot achieve anything themselves yet still obstruct others, so these men merely process through the universe, ..."




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