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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 8:28:02 AM   
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I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

Catholics should be burned at the stake to test their faith.


Consider some of the theological implications of me posting in a forum such as this. It suggests that the distinction between ordinary folk, the vanilla world, and this one, as moral perpetuity is concerned, is not regarded by God as great as many believe.


There are no theological implications, it is clear lunacy. What you fail to realize is the folks here that have spiritual conviction have a much better god/goddess/gods/pantheon than you.

From your, fukin spooky, point of view you have a maniacal need or calling to offer salvation to the folks here and you are really missing the obvious... the destination is not what we are worried about, it's the journey. My journey envolves eating pussy, gettin my lil green knob polished and going girl shopping with my girl(s). So in your lil dossier of the Troll check all 7 of the deadly ones and then the other zillion in your lil religion of fear and terror. 


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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 8:31:01 AM   
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As fantastic as it may seem God does not have any need to adhere to our sensibilities of what is logical.


And we; no need to adhere to god's.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 8:50:51 AM   
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Can salvation, which is related to morals, be obtained by the lesser road?


according to many, yes.  As long as one 'repents' and 'accepts Jesus' (not you, OP.. JESUS), then the sacrfice on the cross washes away the sins,  thus making the sinner worthy of entering the house of God.


But there is a caveat. When Christ forgave the woman He did say Sin no more. It is important to note that there is a credibility gap concerning whether or not the woman took his advice. What is important is that you honor the Truth (with a capital T). It means that it is for you to respect the Truth. If you respect the Truth, there will be hesitancy to Sin. You will in some way strive not to Sin. The question is how may this be legitimately accomplished? The simple answer is to refrain from Sin, but that is easier said than done. I hope to answer these questions in my lifetime with a degree of clarity hitherto unachieved. I believe the task is an important one and it is to my credit to even contemplate such a thing. God willing I will achieve this goal. There are those who have come before me who tried and failed. May my number be lucky.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:01:35 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:14:47 AM   
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As fantastic as it may seem God does not have any need to adhere to our sensibilities of what is logical.


And we; no need to adhere to god's.


The need for God derives from the recognition that what we really want out of life is impossible, only an extraordinary being with superpowers could make it happen and it must happen; hence, an extraordinary being with superpowers exists and is working to make that happen. What you are arguing is that we humans have what it takes. It must happen because without it life is ultimately pointless.

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... you are really missing the obvious. the destination is not what we are worried about, it's the journey. My journey envolves eating pussy, gettin my lil green knob polished and going girl shopping with my girl(s). So in your lil dossier of the Troll check all 7 of the deadly ones and then the other zillion in your lil religion of fear and terror.


What I strongly suspect that you are arguing is that since life is ultimately pointless, why bother with restraint beyond what is objectively necessary to achieve whatever life has to offer as pleasure is concerned. For example, it is wise to respect the law because it can be an objective barrier, especially these days, when there are so many options to pursue pleasure by legal means.

I can't blame you for enjoying the company of females. Let's take what happened to me. I could have had it all. I had a young woman who was prepared to give me everything. I'd be living your wet dream today. I ran into a snag. I had to make a decision between good and evil. Pleasure in and unto itself is not evil. We will have plenty of it in Heaven. That isn't the problem. It is the price you have got to pay for it. I'm happy to say that I was not willing to pay the price.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:26:25 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:40:02 AM   
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I can sin right up to my dying breath... if I repent and truly accept Jesus at my last gasp, I am saved (according to the creedo of many).


Yes it is and is the position taken by the Church. To understand how this is possible requires an appreciation for the Mysteries of the Church. You cannot tell God a lie and get away with it. He will know your heart even better than you know it. It is possible that you were closer to God than you and others realized as well as further away. Give the uncertainty, it is wise to over-compensate. We do not have the luxury to dismiss opportunities to be pious out of hand.

If we embrace those opportunities, does that mean we are saved? As I pointed out in a recent post to this thread, there is opportunity to enhance the clarity as to what is or is not legitimate (I had to be careful with how I worded that). Since the matter is technically impossible God must intervene. He is the one and not you who is making the magic happen. So it is up to Him ultimately to decide as to what was or was not legitimate (not legitimate as in you embraced it, but you did not gain His favor). What we are trying to do is read the mind of God. What does He think and not so much what we think which again begs the question how does one do that?

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:41:49 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/23/2011 9:51:19 AM   
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I can sin right up to my dying breath... if I repent and truly accept Jesus at my last gasp, I am saved (according to the creedo of many).


Yes it is and is the position taken by the Church. To understand how this is possible requires an appreciation for the Mysteries of the Church. You cannot tell God a lie and get away with it. He will know your heart even better than you know it. It is possible that you were closer to God than you and others realized as well as further away. Give the uncertainty, it is wise to over-compensate. We do not have the luxury to dismiss opportunities to be pious out of hand.

If we embrace those opportunities, does that mean we are saved? As I pointed out in a recent post to this thread, there is opportunity to enhance the clarity as to what is or is not legitimate (I had to be careful with how I worded that). Since the matter is technically impossible God must intervene. He is the one and not you who is making the magic happen. So it is up to Him ultimately to decide as to what was or was not legitimate (not legitimate as in you embraced it, but you did not gain His favor). What we are trying to do is read the mind of God. What does He think and not so much what we think which again begs the question how does one do that?


as long as God sees my heartfelt repentance, what the problem?

get over yourself.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 5:29:19 AM   
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as long as God sees my heartfelt repentance, what the problem?


The problem concerns is whether or not this is objectively true. As I've pointed out in Catholicism the objective standard is what God thinks, not what you think. I have evidence, not all of which I've revealed. Do you have evidence? Could you demonstrate in a Divine court what you said is true?

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 7:04:46 AM   
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From your, fukin spooky, point of view you have a maniacal need or calling to offer salvation to the folks here and you are really missing the obvious... the destination is not what we are worried about, it's the journey.  



I totally agree it is the journey that counts. I do not believe in god, religion, the afterlife, heaven or hell. What I do believe in is life. We get one chance at it and I intend to live it to the full and live it well.

The only people whose judgement of me I care about are my family and close friends. They are the ones that care about me and have looked after me during some terrible times in my life. No sign of this god thing when I needed him most.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 7:30:46 AM   
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as long as God sees my heartfelt repentance, what the problem?


The problem concerns is whether or not this is objectively true. As I've pointed out in Catholicism the objective standard is what God thinks, not what you think. I have evidence, not all of which I've revealed. Do you have evidence? Could you demonstrate in a Divine court what you said is true?


Hmph.. well, I wasnt christened as a Catholic.  I was christened Episcopalian.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 9:26:33 AM   
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as long as God sees my heartfelt repentance, what the problem?


The problem concerns is whether or not this is objectively true. As I've pointed out in Catholicism the objective standard is what God thinks, not what you think. I have evidence, not all of which I've revealed. Do you have evidence? Could you demonstrate in a Divine court what you said is true?


Doubting Thomas.....next?

And, if yhwh is running this court, and not his wife, I think I could give a fuck of a goddam accounting of myself.  Scare the dogshit out of the old geezer, maybe even make him repent of his ways.  

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 9:37:52 AM   
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Ja if you say so, and I am quite content with the world's presenting itself at my doorstep every morning as it finds me, and I find it.  And then we go hang out at the corner together. 


I'm quite taken with this statement on it's own.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 9:42:36 AM   
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This nonsense is still going?

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 9:49:45 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 10:00:24 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 10:01:51 AM   
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I assume that no matter what, on my deathbed you will forgive me...

I mean after all, forgiving......ain't that yer fookin' job?

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 10:06:02 AM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 3/24/2011 10:12:28 AM   
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