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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 10:00:20 AM   
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Obama didn't compromise?


You gotta remember, cultural definition is what's important.  Words are what people want them to be - war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is truth.

You proceed from the assumption that these people want to communicate with words.   They're tired of words, they think they want to communicate with firearms.   Because they've never actually seen them used, and aren't bright enough to see 6 weeks down the road. 

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 10:12:52 AM   
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Obstructionism isn't a workable ideology to run the USA on.    Teabaggers are a bunch of petulant children who may wake up one day and figure out that their Wall Street daddies are big-time pedophiles.  



2 things:

- The framers of the constitution intended for compromise to be necessary to keep the engine of state running

- I absolutely love what I bolded!!!! Good one, Jack!

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 10:23:17 AM   
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Remember single-payer? 


Yeah. Not enough Dims would vote for it, so, you're right, he compromised with them.

It was Rs he didn't compromise with.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 10:28:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I went through the bank drive-thru yesterday, and the car ahead of me, a Honda soccer-mom-mobile, had a "Choose Life" vanity license plate, and a big NRA sticker across the back end. Talk about the supreme incongruity.

The rabid right can't even decorate the ass end of a car without needing compromise.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 10:45:34 AM   
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Remember single-payer? 


Yeah. Not enough Dims would vote for it, so, you're right, he compromised with them.

It was Rs he didn't compromise with.


Do we really need to go into all the other compromises that were put into the legislation?

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:04:45 AM   
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Talk about the supreme incongruity.

Leave it to a leftie not to recognize intellectual and philosophical consistency.

Pro-life, pro-gun, and pro- death penalty are all three consistent with a desire to protect the innocent and bring justice to the violently guilty.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:06:06 AM   
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I'm very happy he did not compromise.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:29:19 AM   
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rabid right


I spent 10 years as a company-grade Marine officer.   My 1st and last duty was to get my mission accomplished, and bring home as many of my people as I could, and if I had to lie cheat & steal to get what I needed to do that, I owed it to the snuffies I was responsible for.   My job was to use my head to keep my people out of trouble.

So when I hear a CinC saying "who could have known?"  it makes me sick, because it means good men will die needlessly.   And when I see some fucking yellow ribbon on the back of some car, I see red, because I know I'm looking at some idiot who thinks that's the support the troops need - and chances are damn good that same idiot is a good Republican chiseling on the taxes that pay for ammunition.

General Kelly's son was blown up in Afghanistan the other day, and he's absolutely right that his son's death is no more tragic than any other - and he's absolutely right that Americans have no fucking idea of the sacrifice involved, and they don't want to know - they just want to beat their chests instead of using their brains.   The Americans who support Pat Robertson and Sarah Palin have bilged the Pat Tillmans of our country - they have sold them down the river, they don't deserve them.   When GW Bush asked (Sen D-VA) Jim Webb about his boy in Iraq,  Webb answered that he hoped to bring him home - because after a Navy Cross, Webb knows what it's about.  Bush, OTOH, didn't know where the fuck he was when the AF expected him to muster.

It's not personalities, it's the people who elect those personalities.   Republicans believe labels, they don't read them.

I hated working with draftees, but I did, and I think that democracy demands a draft, because money and blood cannot be interchangeable.  The 1st people we should draft would be the children of every congressman, every Federal judge & every GS-15 & above.   Put your dick where your mouth is, boys.  See if we don't find a way to economize on wars then.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:41:04 AM   
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Pro-life, pro-gun, and pro- death penalty are all three consistent with a desire to protect the innocent and bring justice to the violently guilty.



Who gets to decide what innocent is, and who determines what violent guilt is?

People?  Political people who are weak and/or corrupt?

How about a principle that "choose life" actually means "choose life", without it being filtered by gods, judges, politicians, or the "flyover" voters short on critical thinking skills?




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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:54:08 AM   
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Pro-life, pro-gun, and pro- death penalty are all three consistent with a desire to protect the innocent and bring justice to the violently guilty.


As seen by you.   It's also consistent with settling disputes by force of arms.    History as I see it suggests you're holding the shit end of the stick, that negotiation is way cheaper than firefights.

Sure you may be able to browbeat a person who is unarmed.   But you always have to watch him, because the 1st time he gets the drop on you, you're dead.   Is that the way you want to spend your life, guarding some hapless fool?

My suggestion is that cooperation is more profitable all around. 

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 11:59:10 AM   
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Don't see how I could have failed to give you any other impression.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 12:01:17 PM   
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without it being filtered by gods, judges, politicians, or the "flyover" voters short on critical thinking skills?


And leave it all up to you?
Why not?
What could go wrong?
Oh. Wait. Let me check with someone with critical thinking skills.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 12:40:03 PM   
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.....General Kelly's son was blown up in Afghanistan the other day, and he's absolutely right that his son's death is no more tragic than any other - and he's absolutely right that Americans have no fucking idea of the sacrifice involved, and they don't want to know...

................ I think that democracy demands a draft, because money and blood cannot be interchangeable.  The 1st people we should draft would be the children of every congressman, every Federal judge & every GS-15 & above.   Put your dick where your mouth is, boys.  See if we don't find a way to economize on wars then.



I totally agree.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 12:48:42 PM   
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It looks like the Teapartiers are on their way to becomming a third party.
I think it's a good thing that some Republicans don't like them.

I don't know...maybe the Tea Party as a viable 3rd party might actually elect some conservatives. Lord knows there is none in Wash. now.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 12:52:07 PM   
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And leave it all up to you?




It should NOT be up to me, or up to you.  "Choose life" should mean just that, "choose life" - across the board.  Without the conditional interpretations of 'guilt or innocence' being made by anyone

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 12:54:02 PM   
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without it being filtered by gods, judges, politicians, or the "flyover" voters short on critical thinking skills?


And leave it all up to you?
Why not?
What could go wrong?
Oh. Wait. Let me check with someone with critical thinking skills.

You are too modest.

We were going to leave it all up to you so our decline could be so accelerated as to have us rebuilding again before we've all died on the job(s). Now those are the kind of thinking skills we really need.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 1:14:32 PM   
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And leave it all up to you?


The obvious problem, moron, is that deputizing every citizen to be judge, jury & executioner results in a Sicilian arrangement.

Maybe that fits your idea of righteousness, but let me point out that they were left in Mussolini's wake, let alone any developed society.     I'm not judging right or wrong here, I'm just saying that's what is.   And so I assume that making America into a 3rd world nation - like your citations of Iraq & Afghanistan - is your goal.   You're on the right track.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 7:05:54 PM   
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*Sigh*....


You must think they're serious.

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RE: Tea Party not big on compromise. - 3/5/2011 8:29:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the health care bill - hundreds of GOP changes were incorporated.  Shit, all this was is Romney-care.  No one called him socialist then.

Early on, I saw Republicans rise in outrage at every single idea posed by Obama.  So changes were made to satisfy Republicans.

When time came to vote, it was right across party lines.  I'd be tempted to call a plague on Republicans, since compromise didn't get anywhere.

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