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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 9:31:21 AM

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each individual, couldn't tell you. But if you are going to run this off as some sort of bipartisan adventure then there isn't any reason to discuss it. We will never see eye to eye.....

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 9:31:43 AM

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Because they won't agree with each other about anything. Which is why they never get anything done.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 9:32:47 AM

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each individual, couldn't tell you. But if you are going to run this off as some sort of bipartisan adventure then there isn't any reason to discuss it. We will never see eye to eye.....

We rarely do.

However, I refuse to see either side as all goodness or all evil.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 9:36:57 AM

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each individual, couldn't tell you. But if you are going to run this off as some sort of bipartisan adventure then there isn't any reason to discuss it. We will never see eye to eye.....

We rarely do.

However, I refuse to see either side as all goodness or all evil.

Personally I see BOTH sides as mostly evil.

The proof. BOTH sides care a lot more about obtaining and retaining power than they care about actually helping the American public.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 9:44:31 AM

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Exactly. In 2010, Food Stamps were cut to support teachers.

The sum is about half what Obama requested. Democratic leaders were forced to scale back the package by rank-and-file Democrats concerned about how more spending would play with angry voters. They also had to cover the cost of the measure so that it would not increase future deficits. The bill includes nearly $10 billion in new taxes on U.S. multinational corporations that do business abroad, and it rescinds after 2014 an increase in food stamp payments enacted in last year's $862 billion stimulus package.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/10/AR2010081004201.html

The sum for food stamps cut was about 12 Billion. To say that either side hasnt done anything on that list has a feel of blinder syndrome.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 10:01:25 AM

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No the blinders are on people that only look at the result and not the reasons for it.....And then try to pass it off as something that was wanted...when they know it wasn't....

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 10:27:29 AM

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One day, you will realize not all Dems are good, and not all Republicans are evil.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 10:28:11 AM

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yes mom

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 10:29:52 AM

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Finally! you are such a stubborn child!

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 10:38:49 AM

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Because they won't agree with each other about anything. Which is why they never get anything done.

Then maybe we should go to a one-party system and plenty will get accomplished.

Though a lot of people won't like what gets accomplished.

The important thing is we all hold hands and get along.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:08:55 AM

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Which part is wrong?

What's wrong is that the question infers that there can be some distinction between Satan and the GOP, which is patently misleading.

Actually, I think that politics is inherently prone to problems, but it takes cooperation and good faith to overcome those problems.

When the entire leadership of a political party gets off on the same sort of obstructionist behavior we see here in this forums, (eg claiming that questions are persecution, and there is no differences among a gun, knife, book, car or idiot), while meanwhile we have wars and depressions that these party regimes created (through their reckless sloth and ignorance), then we have a situation where they are deliberately trying to sabotage political compromise and progress, because they don't want to recognize people who are not as corrupt as they are, as Americans.

They would rather steal from beggars than allow the beggars to help them. My idea of America does not include corruption, and I feel obliged to fight it, and punish them as criminal accessories if possible. I regard their behavior as a methodical pattern of evil.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:11:04 AM

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not all Dems are good, and not all Republicans are evil

What difference does that make, when you are talking to an individual personally defending the evil policies of the leaders they chose?

It's not about what a person is - it's about their pattern of behavior. Evil is, as evil does.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:11:50 AM

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Because the premise is that the GOP is evil.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:18:34 AM

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Because the premise is that the GOP is evil.

Yep.

And your point is?

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:27:36 AM

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The inverse premise is that Dems arent.

Political affiliation has no bearing on goodness or evil.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:37:07 AM

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No one is avoiding any truths. You asked which laws were supported, I gave you an example. IF what Clinton said was true, then why didnt ALL Democrats support those bills?

Well...that's one tazzy.

However...if you think for a minute that our financial problems are bipartisan then you just weren't paying attention at all 2000-08 and...are not paying attention now. We live in a plutocracy...period. Money is protected free speech. [sic] The writing is on the wall...wars, tax cuts, corporate welfare, tariffs, TARP, subsidies...all totally the responsibility of fully repub govt. and I am supposed to support them and vote for them again ?

I wouldn't elect a repub today as dog catcher...they would be poorer for it and cruelty toward animals.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:38:14 AM

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BOTH sides care a lot more about obtaining and retaining power than they care about actually helping the American public.

That's to be expected, it's a matter of survival, and you can't expect a CEO to stay in business if that is not his first concern.    It's a native quality.

The truth-teller, IMHO, is what does it lead them to do?   Will a person or party draw some lines on their behavior?   Losing power is not losing a life, and fired politicians usually do well enough for themselves.   Will they start wars and then tell the troops that adequate preparation isn't possible?   Will they tell the public that "nobody could have known" when we all see (some of us with the help of foreigners) that they did in fact know, and just didn't give a shit?    Faced with these enormous problems, will they stop congress for 45 minutes because some asshole is worried about his religious sensitivities?

Most of us are capable of serious evil - but most of us don't carry it out, and most of us negotiate our way around these issues, and some of us are very conscious about it.

Nixon set an example for the Republicans when he stood up and told us he wasn't a crook, knowing full well that he was a crook, and deluding himself - buying himself less than a day - into thinking we wouldn't find out.

Since Nixon, the entire party and almost every activist has adopted this model of behavior, and it has gotten us into a historic world of shit.   The Republican party needs to go stand in the corner and flog itself for about 10 years or until they can keep their jihad shit to themselves, whichever is later.

Yeah, Democrats can be assholes. What they have never learned to do is match a third of the assholarity of the contermporary Republican party.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:40:22 AM

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The inverse premise is that Dems arent.

Political affiliation has no bearing on goodness or evil.

One could say in good conscience for a while anyway, that none are evil but they are greedy, self-centered, petty, little power barons concerned only with their own narrow, short-term self-interest.

This whole discussion just as throughout the public...in a vacuum. That's the sucking sound of war. WAR and two HUGE tax cuts are NOT conservative in anyway but it is republican and is the reason we are having this debate as America is almost always...at war. Look it up, now we purposefully are in a 'war on terror' [sic] DOUBLING the defense and security spending.

Obama cannot actually be an agent of real change. That's because he would like to stay alive.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:41:17 AM

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Well...that's one tazzy.

However...if you think for a minute that our financial problems are bipartisan then you just weren't paying attention at all 2000-08 and...are not paying attention now. We live in a plutocracy...period. Money is protected free speech. [sic] The writing is on the wall...wars, tax cuts, corporate welfare, tariffs, TARP, subsidies...all totally the responsibility of fully repub govt. and I am supposed to support them and vote for them again ?

I wouldn't elect a repub today as dog catcher...they would be poorer for it and cruelty toward animals.

I dont vote party lines... never have. I never said we are supposed to re-elect anyone. However, you also have to agree that part of the problems is that voters have been re-electing the same people, regardless of party, for years, simply because of the party they belong too.

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RE: Here is a Test, is it Satan or the GOP - 3/7/2011 11:42:28 AM

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One could say in good conscience for a while anyway, that none are evil but they are greedy, self-centered, petty, little power barons concerned only with their own narrrow, short-term self-interest.

And if that had been the OP's premise, I would have completely agreed.

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