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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:46:03 PM

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Hmm so would you say your mood and general feeling of the day effects how you tolerate pain on a given day?

Yes because my mood and general feelings effect how well or how deeply i can space out and fly...

If you hit me right now it would hurt and thats all it would do, there would be no floaty high afterwards, only me very cranky because now im sick... and i hurt....

This past weekend the pain from the spankings i received made me feel floaty and wonderful, he could have gone for hours as long as he kept the endorphin rush flowing....

During a womans monthly cycle everything more sensitive, meaning something she can handle when shes not menstruating feels a lot different when she is....

But all of the above only applies to me, because the other member of my house whos female loves to be cold started, and prefers pain more when shes on her cycle then when shes not...

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:48:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

Hmm so would you say your mood and general feeling of the day effects how you tolerate pain on a given day?

Yes because my mood and general feelings effect how well or how deeply i can space out and fly...

If you hit me right now it would hurt and thats all it would do, there would be no floaty high afterwards, only me very cranky because now im sick... and i hurt....

This past weekend the pain from the spankings i received made me feel floaty and wonderful, he could have gone for hours as long as he kept the endorphin rush flowing....

During a womans monthly cycle everything more sensitive, meaning something she can handle when shes not menstruating feels a lot different when she is....

But all of the above only applies to me, because the other member of my house whos female loves to be cold started, and prefers pain more when shes on her cycle then when shes not...

Fascinating! I' find the state of mind and tolerance of pain quite an interesting subject. Have you ever found what state of mind is best for you to enjoy it as most as you can, and how easy is it for you to go to such a state of mind ?

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:49:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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I still find your methods boring and over thought.

Your un-needed opinion on my methods which i have not explained how i do my methods makes you sound hostile my thread has nothing to do with how i apply my dominance to a female submissive.

I thought i made that clear by now ?

Actually it does apply. I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

Again who said i do classroom spreadsheet type methods, your assuming once agian. Please stop posting in here your not contributing any thing useful.

you're, btw

Your original op, before you edited it, made it pretty clear that you wanted to gather info to compare and contrast on different pain threshholds.
I still maintain that it's a pointless task. Everyone is different. Based on your name, that shouldn't be so surprising.

I can post wherever and whenever I like...

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:53:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I still find your methods boring and over thought.

Your un-needed opinion on my methods which i have not explained how i do my methods makes you sound hostile my thread has nothing to do with how i apply my dominance to a female submissive.

I thought i made that clear by now ?

Actually it does apply. I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

Again who said i do classroom spreadsheet type methods, your assuming once agian. Please stop posting in here your not contributing any thing useful.

you're, btw

Your original op, before you edited it, made it pretty clear that you wanted to gather info to compare and contrast on different pain threshholds.
I still maintain that it's a pointless task. Everyone is different. Based on your name, that shouldn't be so surprising.

I can post wherever and whenever I like...

My original post was perhaps badly worded it has now been corrected, your opinions of me are not needed as i had no intentions of trying to interest you in the first place so that in itself is a pointless task but you still keep on doing it (aka take your own advice?) - or go ahead post what ever nonsense you like, your the only one really making your self seem rude in the process, most other responses have done quite well at being on the subject. I' have no time to reply to your posts unless they are of insightful information like others have provided.

Thanks

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:55:24 PM

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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain. How would you introduce pain to her by incrementing the amount till you find how far she can take?

For me im trying to list the best order for what is painful from least to highest. Currently the order i find is:

Spanking with hands
Spanking paddle
Flogger
Belt
Cane
Whip

Once i got the list in order im going to have a set number of hits and increase each hit for each type till i find the limit as they do range in type of pain sensation but some are more unbearable than others.

I know theres more creative methods like Figgin for one - but those are the common ones so i'm starting with them.

How ever i have not had these administered to me, (and don't intend to) so i cannot be sure :P So any one who has experienced all of these how would you rate the order of pain infliction between them (not taking into account the amount of times your hit by one + take into account they all hit roughly the same hardess when administered even though slightly impossible to do).

So what order would you give them from the pain they administer?

p.s i would like to hear from Dom/mes and Subs on this one - as a dom/me you must notice their response to how they take it ? They might squirm alot with one type than others etc.
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Floggers have different characteristics depending on the leather used and how long/many tails there are.
Floggers need not be painful at all.

You have left crops off your list.
I don't know where on the continuum they would be.

I don't know how much experience you have in using these various implements.
My sense is you might be new.
Taking someone who is new to this aspect and doing various assorted things when you have no experience in doing them (have you gone to any demos?) increases the risk for an encounter that does not go as planned, or hoped.
Injuries tend to ruin the mood.

If she has had no pain experience then spanking is probably a good place to start.
You can get thud or sting depending on how you use your hand.

In the beginning, less is generally more.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:55:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

Fascinating! I' find the state of mind and tolerance of pain quite an interesting subject. Have you ever found what state of mind is best for you to enjoy it as most as you can, and how easy is it for you to go to such a state of mind ?

When im in a depressed state of mind or have something i simply dont wish to deal with i can space a lot more deeply then when im in a normal state of mind... When im very stressed I also have an easier time.

I find with someone i care for and trust I can go a deeper then with someone who only played with me once or twice.

I also know the activity matters. Fire play Knife play and Needle play put me in subspace quicker and more reliable then any other play ive experienced. I believe it has a lot to do with the fact that it starts with an adrenaline rush.

I love flogging over any other type of impact play. Its just the way it feels against my skin....but that can vary. I prefer floggings from male partners, and spankings and croppings and paddling from female partners.

I prefer a woman to use a whip over a man.

But this is all based only on myself and my preferences.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:57:02 PM

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My posts have been quite on topic. You want to know about pain threshholds.
Every single person has different ones. You seem to be so fascinated by that concept.
And by the fact that it even fluctuates within a person.
I've said it more than once in this thread.

I'm in an annoying mood tonight. I'm gonna keep posting here to find out what your pain threshhold is. Ha!

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:58:57 PM

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RE: the edited OP, thud is generally easier for me to process. deep down stuff, rather than surfacey right-on-the skin stuff. a sjambok is a special case toy that is both deep, deep down, and pretty intensely stingy at the same time. i like the way they feel when they're handled well. that said, i do like stingy stuff, i just need more warm up with it.
some days i can do a "cold start" as SpiritedRadiance put it, and other days i can't. and it really depends, too, on the nature of the relationship. i've learned over time that a lot of what i'm into depends on the man i'm with/serving. my late M liked mostly by-hand impact stuff, and the Toppy friend i hang out with now likes a lot of hands-on stuff, but also enjoys a variety of toys, so i've had the chance to experience a lot of stuff i hadn't before.
anyway, if the guy i'm with wants me to take a lot, i will -- it sorta becomes a service thing for me. even though i consider myself a masochist, a lot of the gratification i get comes from taking something "for" this person -- so if that relationship is there, i can take a HELL of a lot more than i can without that context.

points along the cycle, stress in life, general health (physical and mental), they all play a factor in how you process sensations.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:02:20 PM

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Again who said i do classroom spreadsheet type methods, your assuming once agian.

I did. Your post sought to rank order different methodologies, and I was using the term to point out that you are trying to get a cut-and-dried, tightly organized, simplified response of constants while everyone is consistently telling you that you're dealing with variables.

And telling Aileen that she's not contributing anything useful ignores the fact that she IS contributing useful information. It's just not what you wanted to hear. Sometimes there's a REASON that the answer doesn't match up with your question, because the question itself was flawed.

< Message edited by DarkSteven -- 3/7/2011 7:03:37 PM >

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:02:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

Ditto! This is lovely.

Edited: My apologies to the OP. I misread his initial post.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:03:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

EDIT : evidently people over read my first post.

So i'll sum it up in two lines to keep it simplified and to remove the un-needed hostility.

What do you find more untolerable or as a Dom/me what have you observed more untolerable - sharp short stinging pains or more thud like pains?
I am curious to see the variety of how many prefer one over the other or both or neither.

I like pain. I like both you've described. I love floggings, whippings, croppings, paddlings & canings.
When is it intolerable? When the blood flows freely, it's time to stop.

What kind of pain do I find intolerable? This kind.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:04:07 PM

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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain.

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ORIGINAL: poise

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

Ditto! This is lovely.

IntellectualSir, before you edited your original post, you stated you have a submissive
who can take all kinds of humiliation, but was not experienced with pain.
Then, in responding to WinsomeDefiance, you state you have no sub.
Whether you do or not doesn't make the question any more unnecessary in your eyes,
but it leaves you with a lot less credibilty were you to post future inquiries.

No i did not please read carefully:

I said:
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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain.
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Hypothetical. Though easy to misread - hense i edited it .

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:05:05 PM

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Poise, It might be that he is mentioning who ever he owns will be well versed in such wants, because of his profile and what he seeks. Its a rather.. "interesting" read.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:07:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

I said:
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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain.
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Hypothetical. Though easy to misread - hense i edited it .

Not per my recollection. I distinctly recall you claiming you had a sub who was experienced in humiliation but no pain.

To be honest, as soon as I read the tone of your profile, I knew you had no experience.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:10:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

EDIT : evidently people over read my first post.

So i'll sum it up in two lines to keep it simplified and to remove the un-needed hostility.

What do you find more untolerable or as a Dom/me what have you observed more untolerable - sharp short stinging pains or more thud like pains?
I am curious to see the variety of how many prefer one over the other or both or neither.

OP V-2
I have never responded to 2 different OPs in the same thread before.

I am not a masochist but I like being spanked and like exploring other things that my Master leads me to.

I used to prefer thuddy sensations and on the "sweet spot".
Now I am beginning to like more stingy things and I can't tell you why that shifted for me.
I still like thud, but I like the zing of sting; the flash of warmth.

He is a sensualist and sensation is entire body and not just on the usual areas.
He will carefully spank nearly everywhere.
Carefull being the operative word: he is wary of kidneys and other delicate places that could easily sustain damage.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:11:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

I said:
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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain.
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Hypothetical. Though easy to misread - hense i edited it .

Not per my recollection. I distinctly recall you claiming you had a sub who was experienced in humiliation but no pain.

To be honest, as soon as I read the tone of your profile, I knew you had no experience.

Then your knowledge of me is low - i have how ever never had a submissive "new" to pain so the whole introducing it is new to me. I have only ever had submissives who knew what they liked and did not like, thus eliminating my need to test waters as such.

Furthermore even in that situation my previous subs have never been hardcore into pain even though delved into it i'm pretty experienced in the more mental side of things

And my original post is quoted in this thread read the first line of the quote it will be precisely as i said if you can be bothered to.

What i find fascinating with people exploring what they like / dislike regarding pain is directly related to mental state of mind, which the mind is more my field of play than the physical pain which led me to curios question to ask the masses.

< Message edited by IntellectualSir -- 3/7/2011 7:13:16 PM >

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:11:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

I said:
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So - if you have a sub who is experienced in degradation/humiliation but no pain.
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Hypothetical. Though easy to misread - hense i edited it .

Not per my recollection. I distinctly recall you claiming you had a sub who was experienced in humiliation but no pain.

To be honest, as soon as I read the tone of your profile, I knew you had no experience.

Yeah. The original OP was not written as a hypothetical.
And it's obvious that he's never had experience.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:11:16 PM

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Can't we just get along?! We're always fighting! One day, and oh, one day soon, when gigantic spider aliens come and invade our Earth, we're gonna look so silly to them! Do you know why? DO YOU? Because we can't unite! We need to unite! I am suggesting...NO....demanding that this topic be on hold, and we all apologize to one another for any offense we have caused!

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:11:44 PM

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bwah hahahahaaaa ^_^

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 7:13:03 PM

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Hush!
I'm testing the OP to see how long before he starts calling me names.

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