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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 10:55:06 AM   
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No, he said NEWS ORGANIZATIONS were ignoring it.

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And if NPR is so good at delivering the hard news... why werent they the ones to break this scandal?

Where were all the other supposed "news" organizations?



NPR CEO Vivian Schiller, CEO of NPR, Steps Down, NPR Morning Edition 9 March 2011

NPR also reported the initial story in detail, including the problematic comments by their fundraiser.

Vivian Schiller, NPR Chief Executive, Resigns, The New York Times, 0942 ET 9 March 2011

NPR CEO Vivian Schiller Resigns, CNN

NPR President Schiller Resigns Following Hidden-Camera Sting, Fox News, 9 March 2011

Google is your friend, et cetera et cetera...

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:03:08 AM   
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Why didnt they BREAK the story.




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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:05:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be imprudent when firing someone to simultaneously break a story before the entire facts were actually known, you know, like Rush would.

So, Juan bad, Viv bad, cuz it is PBS.  No comment on WFB or the McLaughlin Group, I see.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:14:26 AM   
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then in his later post quotes newsbusters..
cant have it both ways


The Newsbusters item is a quote from an interview, its not meant to be hard news. Its a mans words, verbatim.

Is that really so hard for you to understand?


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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:15:20 AM   
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Why didnt they BREAK the story.

What means "break" in this situation?  The people who created the story by entrapping that idiot NPR fundraiser broke it.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:18:40 AM   
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The original story mnot. Not the fallout from the investigative journalism, the investigative journalism itself.

Have someone explain it to you.

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It would be imprudent when firing someone to simultaneously break a story before the entire facts were actually known, you know, like Rush would.

So, Juan bad, Viv bad, cuz it is PBS.  No comment on WFB or the McLaughlin Group, I see.


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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:25:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		O keefe broke the news, o keefe is the filmaker, how is anyone else sposed to break it ?unless its found, given or "leaked" or severely edited
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I was using your newsbusters link simply as an example of what you  use for "news" and "proof"
nothing to understand.. only for you  to wriggle around , but your wriggle is paralysed by the truth.







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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, please tell me how this is investigative journalism.  It seems rather unclear that you have correct knowledge of the words investigative, and journalism and what they would convey when linked together in a cogent thought.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 11:31:28 AM   
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The original story mnot.



They did, on BBC news. A program that airs nightly on PBS, just like Huntley and Brinkley used to when I was growing up, and nearly as trustworthy and nearly as free from spin.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 12:52:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		If BBC New is unbiased and "free from spin", would you mind explaining this please?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html

Now then, as to poor, POOR PBS and NPR...why is it that when O'Keefe demonstrates the reality of their thought process and agenda, he is vilified by the left as a muckraking fraud who "entrapped" poor unsuspecting Ron Schiller and yet...when a "progressive" blogger pulls almost the same stunt on Governor Walker, he is help up as someone to be admired? Could it be that the bigger problem here is that the blogger...despite his best efforts...was unable to get Walker to state anything that even came close to Schiller's statements?

And poor Ron...now he has lost his job with the Aspen Institute too.

http://www.foxnews.com/

NPR Dumps Its CEO Over Video
Scandal, Handling of Williams Firing

A damning hidden-camera video showing NPR executive Ron Schiller, slamming the Tea Party as 'racist' and Republicans as 'anti-intellectuals' — hard on the heels of NPR's bungled firing of Fox News commentator Juan Williams — leads to the firing of CEO Vivian Schiller. The video also cost Ron Schiller his new job at the Aspen Institute.

And more... http://www.breitbart.tv/all-things-considered-reports-on-growing-scandal-at-npr-vp-ron-schiller-placed-on-administrative-leave/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And more...from USA Today (hardly a right-leaning media outlet):
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/03/npr-vivian-schiller-resigns-video-scandal-/1

I especially like "progressive" commentator Juan Williams remarks about the scandal: Juan Williams, a former NPR analyst who was fired in October, slammed his former employer last night over the so-called "sting" video that led to Schiller's departure.

"They will say things to your face about how there's no liberal orthodoxy at NPR, how they play it straight, but now you see it for what it is. They prostitute themselves for money," Williams said last night on Fox News, his new employer.

I admit to wondering though about this: Ron Schiller, formerly head of fundraising for NPR, also issued an apology, saying the statements on the video "are counter to NPR's values and also NOT reflective of my own beliefs." Excuse me, Mr. Schiller but if the statements are NOT reflective of your own beliefs...why did you make them???

And this is an interesting read: http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0309/Before-NPR-scandal-a-warning-about-elite-liberals-compassion-turns-to-coercion

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 12:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Poor me nothing.  The fucking guy is a fundraiser, just like Steele these guys are greasy motherfuckers regardless.  Who fucking cares?

All your whining ain't going to make any fucking difference.

The Mail?  I would not comment on a Mail article as fact any more than I would comment on the 'facts' presented by a Faux Nuze article.  

Poor you. 

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 12:57:40 PM   
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If BBC New is unbiased and "free from spin", would you mind explaining this please?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html


If you're going to start talking about UK media you don't know from a hole in the ground, it'd probably help if you checked that your sources weren't notorious for leaning so far to the right that they thought John Major was a lefty. The Mail is one of the very last papers in the UK in any position to complain about a bias in anybody else's reporting, put it that way. It's a hard right monetarist paper, which is why it's the main one that seems to get quoted by the yank neocon element in here.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 1:06:18 PM   
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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 1:08:15 PM   
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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 1:44:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
If BBC New is unbiased and "free from spin", would you mind explaining this please?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html


If you're going to start talking about UK media you don't know from a hole in the ground, it'd probably help if you checked that your sources weren't notorious for leaning so far to the right that they thought John Major was a lefty. The Mail is one of the very last papers in the UK in any position to complain about a bias in anybody else's reporting, put it that way. It's a hard right monetarist paper, which is why it's the main one that seems to get quoted by the yank neocon element in here.

The BBC is a biased institution. I already posted up on this thread about the BBC's longtime news anchor Peter Sissons who wrote a book about the BBC. He left the organisation a year ago in disgust. Here is an extract which is indeed also in the Daily Mail but its just a reprint: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349506/Left-wing-bias-Its-written-BBCs-DNA-says-Peter-Sissons.html - interesting how Moony didn't comment on this link but then again this is from someone who thinks Al Jazeera is unbiased just because its generous enough to use the word "Israel" rather than "Zionist Entity" after I highlighted some pretty extreme stuff about that organisation.

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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 3:08:51 PM   
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Follow the thread back and see if you can pick up the pieces that youre missing because I dont often repeat myself for idiots.

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O keefe broke the news, o keefe is the filmaker, how is anyone else sposed to break it ?unless its found, given or "leaked" or severely edited
SNORTS
I was using your newsbusters link simply as an example of what you  use for "news" and "proof"
nothing to understand.. only for you  to wriggle around , but your wriggle is paralysed by the truth.








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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 3:10:36 PM   
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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 3:12:58 PM   
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"Break" in this situation means to do investigative work and be the very first to expose something like a scandal or a crime, or malfeasance or the wasting or other misuse of taxpayer money.

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Why didnt they BREAK the story.

What means "break" in this situation?  The people who created the story by entrapping that idiot NPR fundraiser broke it.



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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 3:14:25 PM   
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This from someone who is doing good to get his drooling chin off the floor half the time

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Oh, come now, you have been repeating yourself since the day you joined, and your idiot count is pretty static.


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RE: Grubbing for Muslim Brotherhood money - 3/9/2011 3:17:18 PM   
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If you watch the video you will see him joke about removing his "NPR hat" before saying certain things.

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I admit to wondering though about this: Ron Schiller, formerly head of fundraising for NPR, also issued an apology, saying the statements on the video "are counter to NPR's values and also NOT reflective of my own beliefs." Excuse me, Mr. Schiller but if the statements are NOT reflective of your own beliefs...why did you make them???


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