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Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 10:36:14 AM

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http://www.military.com/news/article/panel-wants-women-in-combat-arms.html?ESRC=army-a.nl

A Pentagon commission is recommending that ground combat units be open to female troops, arguing women are already engaged in combat and that keeping them out of operational career fields puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to promotion.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 10:37:48 AM

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Don't see that there is an argument to the contrary. Let them rape and kill just like everybody else.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 10:43:06 AM

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The Israelies have been doing it for decades. You wanna tangle with them? I don't.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 10:58:32 AM

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I always wondered how how a 120lb woman is going to carry/drag a 220lb man out of the line of fire when he has been shot. Plus pack weight. It's not like they have vastly different fitness standards or anything.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 11:08:14 AM

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Well, the maternaly protective instinct can be ferocious so why not?
And yes, the Israeli Defense Forces have had women in them for decades and they're doing alright.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 11:19:08 AM

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Im not sure if there is a question here, Ken.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 1:39:51 PM

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If they can do an equal job and not be a burden on their fellow soldiers, I have no problem letting them volunteer for it.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:33:56 PM

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I suppose your choice of the word... volunteer... just interesting.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:40:40 PM

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If they can do an equal job

They can't. They don't.

The panel made their recommendation because it advanced their social agenda, not because it improved the military.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:40:59 PM

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quote:

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I always wondered how how a 120lb woman is going to carry/drag a 220lb man out of the line of fire when he has been shot. Plus pack weight. It's not like they have vastly different fitness standards or anything.

When I was in the USAF, I weighed 160#, could out bench press at least one guy, out shoot several, and out think many.

The physical fitness standards in the USAF at the time aren't worth mentioning - anyone up on current Army or Marine Corps standards? Are there different standards for different specialties (other than obvious ones like Seals / Special Forces / Green Berets)?

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The following qualification standards and test procedures are applicable to Marine Corps combat water survival training.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-43574.html

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:42:53 PM

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There was a thread on the subject earlier in the year, I think they can text their pushups in now.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:43:12 PM

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I say Women should be allowed to serve FULLY with NO restrictions.Its done in Canada as well.Time for the U.S. to catch up.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 2:51:40 PM

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I suppose your choice of the word... volunteer... just interesting.

I used that word precisely.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 3:01:56 PM

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Are you saying women should be allowed to have the choice but not be drafted? Only a female warrior by choice?

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 3:10:18 PM

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I suppose your choice of the word... volunteer... just interesting.

I used that word precisely.

I see them as "volunteering" when they sign up. Beyond that, it should be by command, as with any man. Sure, then can sign up for combat duty, but to make an exception and say they only have too if they volunteer... just doesnt sit well with me.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 3:17:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I suppose your choice of the word... volunteer... just interesting.

I used that word precisely.

I see them as "volunteering" when they sign up. Beyond that, it should be by command, as with any man. Sure, then can sign up for combat duty, but to make an exception and say they only have too if they volunteer... just doesnt sit well with me.

It does with me when we do not have an ERA amendment. - Army Vet Helen

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 3:19:22 PM

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It does with me when we do not have an ERA amendment

What do you feel you would gain if we did, other than what we have now?

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 6:01:56 PM

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It does with me when we do not have an ERA amendment

What do you feel you would gain if we did, other than what we have now?

Same sex marriage.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 7:31:31 PM

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Thanks for proving my point. It still remains that the woman who can keep up with the average male combatant is going to be an outlier. AFAIK there is only a different set of standards between men and women in the various armed forces branches. It's a blatant case of sexism that should be rectified.

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RE: Panel wants women in combat arms - 3/10/2011 7:31:43 PM

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The ERA had nothing to do with same sex marriage.

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