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LillyBoPeep -> RE: On love (3/12/2011 6:41:07 PM)

i do understand how some people can say they've fallen out of love; it doesn't always mean that they never loved someone in the first place, just that something happened to make that energy transform into something else.
that said, when love is real for me, it's pretty hard to take it away (and for this reason, i try to be very careful about my feelings; "positive" feelings have often caused me more hurt than "negative" ones). and there are all different kinds of love; romantic love is only one and sometimes it's sad that it gets so much focus.
sometimes one kind of love becomes another, and sometimes it becomes something else altogether.




KMsAngel -> RE: On love (3/12/2011 11:56:22 PM)

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Sorry, sometimes someone hurts you so deeply that it shatters whatever was left.


sadly, i have to agree with this. it took me years to learn that i needed to deeply respect and trust the man i love. if i cannot respect, nor trust, then i couldn't see it as love. it hurts me deeply when i hear him tell my children that he still loves me. if what he left me with was love, than it is a love i want no part of. while i cannot see myself having any amicable relationship with him, ever, it's also true that a few years ago i couldn't ever see myself talking to him.

i did indeed talk to him quite nicely at our daughter's wedding a year ago, but his current wife apparently did not like that (he cheated on me with her, no wonder she doesn't trust him) [8D]




TotalDiscipline -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 12:02:15 AM)

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When I hear somebody say "I don't love him/her anymore" all I think is "Because you never did".

There was a reason sometime you started to love them. I will never forget the good parts of those relations.
But people can also do things that seems to pull your soul out of your body...leaving you empty. These things can make you feel shattered. Love is gone for me then.
Do I hate them...no. Do I love them..no. They are just part of my life...and who I am now.
It is good to let all the negative go..and learn from it.




LadyPact -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 1:31:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I wanted to come back to the thread after reading some of the interesting replies.

I was so in love with my ex, who I was with for over 12 years on and off. When we started out, we actually felt we could not breathe without the other in the room (yeah, I know, corny as hell). We had love and lust.

Then he slowly but surely let his mask slip; he was not the person I thought he was and as time went on, he got worse. I loved him more than any other man in life, including my ex husband who I married. I did everything for this man and he stomped all over my heart even when I forgave him multiple times.

One could say, and it would be true, that it was my fault for staying and returning to him all the time, but I did not think giving up was the right thing at the time.

It was only when the pain of seeing him overrode the pain of not seeing him, that I managed to break away. He would have continued to pull me into his crap.

I maintain that the reason for breaking up with someone you loved is what will determine whether you retain positive feelings towards them.

Someone said forgive the one who hurt you and all that is left is the love.

Sorry, sometimes someone hurts you so deeply that it shatters whatever was left. Sure, you could still feel lust for them, but not love.

Love is nurturing, kind and requires compromise, selflessness and reciprocity. If one person gives and gives and the other does not and simply takes, what happens? Love dies.

I agree with LadyPact that if the one you fell in love with stayed the same vs. changing into someone altogether different, there is a world of difference in what remains.

I am also not in agreement that after rage and hatred subside you are left with love.

What you are left with is apathy towards that person and that is the state of being I am seeking.

Oh, one final point. My ex continues, after all these years to tell me I am the love of his life, he will love me till he dies, blah blah blah and I used to believe him.

I told him never to utter those words again, because someone else saying that would be bittersweet, but when he says them, it is like a curse.



I'm actually really glad that you did.  In fact, I was waiting for it.  Yours is a perfect example of what I was talking about in My previous reply.

(Don't let Me put My foot in My mouth here because I really have this feeling that I'm going to screw this up.)

I have every reason to believe that if he was the man that you thought he was, you'd still be in love with him.  Had that mask been the real person underneath, the person that you thought he was, it would have turned out differently.

I'm saying this not to nail you to the wall, but to illustrate the difference between the person and the mask.  I'll even go so far as to say that the mask must have been a damn good one to capture your heart.  However, as the mask slipped away, the person underneath wasn't who you thought it was.  If you ask yourself the real question, did you love the man....... or the mask?

I can honestly say that I've been fooled by the mask once or twice in My life.  It happens to the best of us.  I don't even hold any animosity to those who put on the mask because it isn't always done with malicious intent.  In looking back, I can see the difference.  In those cases, I don't still love the man.  Oh, I can say that I loved who I thought he was, but not who he really was.  There's a huge difference in that.

I hope I have not offended you in My late night ramblings.  If I have, it was not My intent.




TheShrew -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 1:54:26 AM)

Everyone is different I suppose. I am one of those people who can stop loving you.
I was engaged to a guy for 4 years, and I did love him. When I ended it, he beat my ass. {Which had never once occured in the previous 4 years} I definitely hold no love for this man. I don't  feel love for him, but I don't feel hate for him either. I feel nothing at all.




kissheels -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 4:10:22 AM)

Love might fade away a bit but it never dies.




Aileen1968 -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 4:15:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I am in love. Deeply and lastingly in love.

With who? With every woman I have ever loved. I don't fall out of love...its for good. I don't get along with them...don't talk to any of them but the ex (and probably wouldn't if it weren't for the kids)...but I love and remain in love with them all.

When I hear somebody say "I don't love him/her anymore" all I think is "Because you never did".

What do you all say...is love everlasting...a rock that stands forever, or is it a fleeting thing like the passing of a butterfly.

"Time passes, true love won't fade away
yeah time it passes, but I'll always stay"



I think love changes. I am no longer in love with my ex. But I do still love him. Big difference there.
I love the qualities he has as a person, but not the qualities he has as a mate. He became unable to accept and meet what I needed in a lover.
That's when my love changed with him.
I will always love my daughters forever. That bond, between a parent and a child is eternal for me.
Nothing they could ever do or say to me could ever change that.

Shorey...he has all of the qualities I've ever wanted and needed in a lover and best friend.
He has filled all of the gaps in my life and given me the opportunity to fulfill things I only thought could be fantasy.
I fall more in love with him each day.





LadyPact -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 4:40:21 AM)

On this, we agree.

MP really is My soul mate.  I could give all of this other bullshit up.  If all I ever had in this world was him..... I'd be fine.  As long as he is here with Me, that's all I want.

My love is in My life every day.  I could walk away from all of this other crap without caring.

At the end of the day, he's here.  In My stupid, insignificant self, this man loves Me.  What the fuck did I ever do to deserve that?

Without trying, I found the love of My life.  I will make no apologies for it.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 6:15:41 AM)

that's fantastic, LadyPact =) 




GreedyTop -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 6:25:14 AM)

I dont know if I was in love or not.  But when he betrayed my trust, it was easy for me to shut down the 'love'. I was probably too young and naive then...but it doesnt change the fact that he BETRAYED MY TRUST.

and.. I am off to nap now. before I say anything else..




sexyred1 -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 11:30:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I have every reason to believe that if he was the man that you thought he was, you'd still be in love with him.  Had that mask been the real person underneath, the person that you thought he was, it would have turned out differently.

I'm saying this not to nail you to the wall, but to illustrate the difference between the person and the mask.  I'll even go so far as to say that the mask must have been a damn good one to capture your heart.  However, as the mask slipped away, the person underneath wasn't who you thought it was.  If you ask yourself the real question, did you love the man....... or the mask?

I can honestly say that I've been fooled by the mask once or twice in My life.  It happens to the best of us.  I don't even hold any animosity to those who put on the mask because it isn't always done with malicious intent.  In looking back, I can see the difference.  In those cases, I don't still love the man.  Oh, I can say that I loved who I thought he was, but not who he really was.  There's a huge difference in that.

I hope I have not offended you in My late night ramblings.  If I have, it was not My intent.
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I am not offended in the least. I agree with this in theory. You can fall in love with WHO you think someone is vs. who they actually are. You have heard of sociopaths? They are able to be completely who the other person wants them to be and are quite capable of pulling off amazing feats of deception.

In this case, the man was so in love with me that he went to great effort to pull me in; and he more than succeeded. It was also the time we met; I always say that if I met him today or last year or next year, I would never even go on a second date with him.

But that is with the knowledge I have NOW. When I met him, it was after my divorce and I had dated a ton of men who did not interest me. When he came along, I was not really into anything serious, and he was so incredibly attractive that I gave him a chance.

It takes me a while, and it does not happen often, but when I love someone, I LOVE them intensely. When he finally got to me, I was already deep in it.

I agree that I fell for someone who wore a mask and did everything he could to get me, once I found that out, I still loved him and gave him every opportunity to change.

Although I understand intellectually that it was that mask I fell for initially, I do know I really loved him underneath the mask.

And it does not hurt any less, LadyPact, knowing that.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 11:46:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

On this, we agree.

MP really is My soul mate.  I could give all of this other bullshit up.  If all I ever had in this world was him..... I'd be fine.  As long as he is here with Me, that's all I want.

My love is in My life every day.  I could walk away from all of this other crap without caring.

At the end of the day, he's here.  In My stupid, insignificant self, this man loves Me.  What the fuck did I ever do to deserve that?

Without trying, I found the love of My life.  I will make no apologies for it.



Let's not spread a pandemic here.




Missokyst -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 1:13:24 PM)

Love stays for me. It is a forever thing that is what it is because I am who I am, a person who commits deeply and only after a lot of thought. I do not fall in love easily. But I can lust after someone and spend a few years with them and be fond of them, committed as much as I can allow, but not love until I make that click in my head. I think you can be in love with someone and see it end, and still feel the love after they are gone. That does not mean you cannot move on and find something else, be it love or lust or companionship. Hatred is too negative an emotion for me to wallow in even for a short time.


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ORIGINAL: Arpig



What do you all say...is love everlasting...a rock that stands forever, or is it a fleeting thing like the passing of a butterfly.







MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 2:26:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

Attempting to debate a concept as subjective as love can only lead to disagreements, not a concensus.


Not quite true.  Read "Symposium" by Plato.  I think many incorrect conclusions were drawn from that, but that's just me.




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 2:39:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rick1283

In my (very limited) experience, you are both right.
It can be overpowered by anger or hate.... but it doesn't go away if its real.



This is important: hatred and anger are only possible (in this context) if you still love someone.  The opposite of love isn't hatred: it''s indifference.

It has taken me a long time to realize that.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 2:40:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

. I think you can be in love with someone and see it end, and still feel the love after they are gone. That does not mean you cannot move on and find something else, be it love or lust or companionship. Hatred is too negative an emotion for me to wallow in even for a short time.



agreed - love and other emotions aren't exclusive from each other. sometimes someone becomes bad for you because you love them, and it conflicts with other things you feel/experience from them. that's how it eventually went with my ex before M. i still care about him, but i don't think we would work as a unit again.
sometimes it's hard to be around someone because the love is still there, and sometimes it's easy to give in, in spite of what you may know.




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 2:50:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I dont know if I was in love or not.  But when he betrayed my trust, it was easy for me to shut down the 'love'. I was probably too young and naive then...but it doesnt change the fact that he BETRAYED MY TRUST.

and.. I am off to nap now. before I say anything else..


And that, dear lady, is the perfect description of how love can be lost.

I was engaged to a woman and when she broke it off I was angry.  I hated her.  I wanted her to die in the worst possible way.  Being eaten alive by poisonous zombie badgers wouldn't have even begun to provide the punishment she deserved.  That hatred was my love being sublimated.

Another girl betrayed my trust.  I left her and didn't give a crap whether she lived or died.  She wasn't even worth thinking about.  Forget all the legal troubles that would be involved: she wasn't worth the 3 cents a .22 cartridge costs, let alone a real round.

You know, maybe I should take a nap now too and stop talking.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 2:53:35 PM)

...

So, anybody want to change seats with Mr. Bundy here?




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: On love (3/13/2011 5:28:45 PM)

If I've told you once I've told you a million times:  Never use hyperbole.




TheShrew -> RE: On love (3/14/2011 1:50:51 PM)

...*giggles at "eaten alive by poisonous zombie badgers"*.. {sorry, was too funny}

If you're opposed to hyperbole, perhaps you might try hyperbole and a half




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