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MistranssSadia -> IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 12:39:01 PM)

Hi...hope everyone is doing well.....I just wanted to ask a question to my fellow girls to see if they had ever gotten this odd feeling....

I have some subs, and recently, a friend who´s a psychologist said to me, in her very odd way, that my Subs were not really into any fetishes, except me. I naturally asked her what did she mean and she said :

"...men who are into Transexual domination are basically gay/bi men with a deep sexual prefrence acceptance disorder, you are a trans, that´s a female image with a penis, sugar-coating the pill of their latent homosexuality to them, that´s like a sidestep, or the next step from strap-on fetishism, that is, any Transexual is a fetish object for them..."

So, I thought it would be interesting to kow what other Trans, and also, any other Male Subs into us, and Female Dominants, feel about such concept.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 12:58:35 PM)

As I understand it - being a cisgender woman and thus not on the receiving end of the "chaser" - there are some people who fetishize transgender/transexual folk.  I don't believe it's limited to MtF or to male subs fetishizing trans dominants.  I'd compare it to men who fetishize women of an ethnicity other than the man's.  Whatever the case, it feels rather impersonal and dehumanizing, much as the "do-me" bottoms who come here looking for dominant women to feminize them, lock them in chastity, or engage in any other fetish without caring about the dominant as a person. 




Arpig -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 1:13:54 PM)

I never thought about it that way...but your friend makes a pretty good point.




Wickad -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 1:37:46 PM)

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Greetings,

I have a post operative M-F transgendered friend who has mentioned the types of guys you are talking about (those whose kink is transgendered (post or pre)). She is really not interested in them 1) because she's gay and 2) because she sees them as creepy. I think part of the issue might be how folks identify themselves. She identifies as a woman and gets rather cranky when sites or people try to cast her as "Trans". For a long time she was in transition but now she sees herself as a woman ... and frankly so do most people who know her.

I guess I wonder at the idea of transitioning from one gender to the other only to be labeled forever in transition? Of course I also wonder if this applies to multi-sexed and inter-sexed folks? Are gender and sexual identity binary? Are these guys, in some ways, not expressing another form of sexual preference? ... and why do folks see them as 'creepy' or in need of therapy?

Wickad

oops - sorry to add my questions to the thread.

Wickad




OttersSwim -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 7:17:53 PM)

Right because you realize that all you will ever be is transgendered...no possibility that they are in to you because you are a great human being, or even maybe a good dominant...let's just boil you down to being nothing but a female image with a penis and latent homosexuality tendencies in anyone who might find you attractive...

You need friends who are better psychologists...actually, you need better friends...  [8|]




hausboy -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 7:53:22 PM)

I'm with OttersSwim on this one.   Not something a good friend would say.  Definitely something a lousy psychologist would.




stellauk -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 8:03:40 PM)

I probably wouldn't go so far as to try and identify what the problem is, but yes there are men who are insecure with either their own gender role or sexuality or they are too afraid to be themselves or be comfortable in their own sexuality or gender.

This is something which isn't just sexual and it doesn't just concern men, but the vast majority of cisgendered people who never completely understand what it is like to be transgendered because they almost all assume that we started out in life being cisgendered as well.

This assumption - that the transgendered somehow became transgendered but was once cisgendered - is the reason why they struggle to accept a transgendered woman as a woman because they cannot accept her as the same as a cisgendered woman, because they perceive her as a cisgendered man who became a woman through growing breasts and SRS sex reassignment surgery. They are judging on appearance and not taking into account the genetic permutations or how that person perceives themselves.

Gender identity is just like sexual identity. There is no change. I didn't wake up one morning and think 'oh, well I actually think I'm a woman' or 'well I'm crap at being a bloke so I must be a woman' - that what I'm going through for me isn't anything to do with my sexual orientation or gender - it's to do with me and my entire identity and sense of self.

There is no choices here, it's an evolutionary process of discovery. Trans women are women who were born incomplete due to various genetic mutations which are biological and natural and it's this evolutionary transition process which negates any truth that they were formerly male.

So generally the opinion in the OP from the friend holds water. Concerning the pre-ops there's even a consensus of opinion among some men that a pre-op transwoman who doesn't have her own breasts isn't a pre-op transwoman but a crossdresser, almost as if it's like a journey or process right through the entire transgendered community.

You know? You start out as a panty wearer, and then you develop into a sissy, and then from a sissy you graduate into a crossdresser (or a transvestite if your dick is big enough) until you have breasts and then you're a transsexual or she-male until you have the op and then you're a post op, or The (nudge nudge snigger snigger) Woman Who Used To Be A Man.

I have actually more recently evolved and crossed over to the other side and am discovering what a buzz it is to dominate a male submissive in mainly non-sexual ways. I was formerly sub and it's a whole completely different type of interaction and where the male submissive mindset was a mystery, I'm learning that a dynamic with a male submissive can fulfill me just as much as with a dominant female, or even male.

However there are men who approach you and bend over backwards to convince you that they are straight and that they have a girlfriend or wife and that they think you are really feminine and they want a date.

So you play along, pretending to be oblivious to the fact that they are already in a relationship with a cisgendered woman and also with the fact that they appear so powerfully attracted to you it's almost like an obsession.

Then almost immediately the Million Dollar Question - are you pre-op or post-op? Do you plan to have surgery? This is a heterosexual thing. They're trying to pigeonhole you and put you into one of their appropriate boxes which is either Man Trying To Become A Woman or (nudge nudge snicker snicker) A Woman Who Used To Be A Man.

So you tell them, knowing that no matter what you say, they're feelings will change. Pre-op? Oh that's okay, not a problem, you still look like a woman. And you have your own breasts right? What size are they? What size cup is your bra?

So you tell them you're on hormones. If you mention that you have implants they will ask 'what? surgical implants?'

Lord help you if you tell them that you're inserting your implants. Some become bitterly disappointed. Some disappear at this stage. Others will express their disappointment. Fake! Your just a tranny. A crossdresser.

Some won't mind. You see it doesn't matter. You are not a person, and this is not going to lead to a relationship. You are not cisgendered you see, you're not relationship material in their eyes. You're a guinea pig, an experiment, you are Transgendered, Not A Complete Human Being. But you play along.

What clothes do you wear? Do you have your own undies? Do you dress often? You tell them that you dress every day, meaning that you get dressed every day, i.e. wear clothes, just like anyone else. They see it as you 'dress up' every day. 'Great' they say, 'You must look super convincing. Are you shaved?'

Then we get to the crux of the matter. What size is your cock? Is it functional? How often do you wank off? You see, I love my girlfriend, we have great sex, but I've always wanted to know what it feels like to suck a woman's dick. Or alternatively, are you active? I've always wanted to take it up the bum.

What these men don't realize, because they don't stop to consider, is the sheer amount of pain - emotional, psychological, and sometimes even physical a Transwoman goes through just for having a penis or having had a penis, the amount of confusion, suffering, the flashbacks and the memories. They have no concept of the stigma, the humiliation or ridicule you face if anyone should find out that you have a cock between your legs.

They just don't get how exhausting and demotivating it can be in dealing with other people's prejudices and the amount of thinking, planning and organizing of even simple everyday activities, the amount of caution they exercise around the cisgendered who they don't know, the people who don't call back, the relationships which never materialized, the friendships that evaporated, and the amount of people who come into their lives promising acceptance and 'why you're a woman to me' and then when they get what they want they just disappear and drop them like a stone.

They will promise you the earth, tell you that they are in love with you, all the bullshit, and they assume that because you are not a Complete Human Being that you will fall for it.

This is what many of these guys just don't get. Their cock is the centre of their lives and being, and because they are so insecure in either their gender or sexual identity it rules their lives.

My penis isn't a part of my body. It's a scar, a blemish, an injury, disfigurement, and alarm bells ring whenever anyone mentions it. Expressing an interest in it is an immediate red flag for me.

You see, from my perspective you've not only objectified me, fetishized me, you've also negated me as a person and thus excluded yourself from any further involvement in my life.

This is especially true now as during my absence I got myself into a queer relationship with a butch woman who fell in love with me and the relationship quickly developed until it became sexual.

Something innocent, innocuous even. I let her give me oral. Natural strap on, right?

Fail.

I had a fairly serious emotional breakdown as a result and it took me a few weeks before I could function on any level. I isolated myself and plunged into a very deep and dark depression, suffering an almost total loss of self-esteem and self-worth. I didn't know who I really was for a while.

I'm still recovering and still, somewhat fragile among people.

I get almost the same from women, which is a particular problem as I have a preference for women. You get women who are curious, together with the same dehumanization. They have Privilege over you because they were born cisgendered. They have a womb, they have periods.

Only a few are prepared to consider someone transgendered for a primary relastionship. We do have our advantages. we don't have periods, so there's no PMS. We don't get pregnant, having gone through the transition we are more self-aware generally, know ourselves, and we can see things from either viewpoint.

Yes it is a problem having to risk rejection and being objectified, fetishized and sexualized. But don't many cisgendered women experience that also?

It's important to keep some sort of perspective. Being transgendered is only an issue if you make it an issue. People are telling me 'it must be hard being you, and transitioning'. No it isn't. I don't know what it's like to be cisgendered, I'm just being myself and going through this transition is the best thing I've ever done in my life. Even though I haven't had surgery yet life is generally good.

I don't see these men as creepy, I just see them as confused, hurting, scared, and insecure. I've spent a lot of my time in the past having such feelings. They have to work it out for themselves, as I did.

I'm just not prepared to be one of their stepping stones in the process.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 10:30:56 PM)

I've run into individuals who fetishize transgendered folks.  It's seriously creepy and uncool.  Come to think of it, I've run into a lot of "submissives" who fetishize cisgender female dominants as well, and treat us like things rather than human beings.  It's a highly immature mindset.




LadyPact -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/13/2011 11:24:27 PM)

I'm probably going to say something really stupid here.  (Never trust Me to post well thought out stuff when I'm in residual top space.)

I try to look at things from a "is it in the realm of possibilities" standpoint.  In doing so, I would have to say that, yes, it's possible.  Is it probable?  I have no idea.  Is it the only possible explanation?  No, I don't think so.  Not by a long shot.

Here's a novel idea.  Ask.  Don't ask us.  Ask the people in your life and get their answers.  They are the ones that matter.  Not us.  Base your decisions on the information that you receive from them.  I'm guessing that, like most other women, you don't want to just be somebody's fetish.  (OK, I'll be fair here.  I don't want to just be somebody's fetish.  Other people might be different.)  If you don't want that in your life, weed those people out.  The folks who want you because you are you and you're awesome, keep them.

Oh, yeah.  In the meantime, don't take advice from folks who are riding the endorphin wave, because they can say really stupid stuff at times.




OttersSwim -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 8:25:09 AM)

My first post dealt with the cisgendered assumption that all of what a transgendered person is or will ever be, is their sexual organs..and the terribly invalidating statement and assumption that anyone who might find you interesting is just "a tranny chaser"...what a shitty thing that would be to say to someone - did you slap her?  I would have...

The problem is, is that her opinion, even laced with the cisgendered bias with which she expressed it does has some basis in fact.  There are guys out there who are interested in transfolk specifically because they are trans, and I think that it can indeed be creepy if they too are trying to reduce you down to just your sexual organs and wrapping you up in a fetishized package.

Certainly, some evaluation must take place where you try to understand and place motivations.

But I refuse to believe that transfolk are only the sum of their body parts, that they are only an image of something that others say they can never be.  I believe that people out there can and do love them because they are awesome human beings worthy of love and respect completely outside of what is going on with their bodies...

My advice, look for people who want to establish an emotional connection with you through kink...




strangedesire -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 9:59:38 AM)

Stella,

I'm not quite sure what to say to this: I can't truly understand what this is like for you, but I empathize. Thank you for sharing so much of yourself. You're a magnificent person.




IsaNova -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 11:51:37 AM)

Anyone who is m2f trans and tries to openly date has to deal with this, I think. Sure there are tranny chasers, and a LOT of guys who just want to "try" it or make it a notch in their bed-post... like you're some kind of buffet item or something. That get's real annoying real fast, even if you're vanilla.

However, some of those guys are interested but do still see you as a person... I would say it's analogous to someone who is bi-curious and wants to date, not just to fuck. To me there's nothing wrong with that as long as I am seen as a person, not a piece of flesh. Maybe not everyone feels the same, IDK.

There is a big outlook that says that anyone who is transgendered is really gay, anyone who likes them is really gay, etc... that I feel is weak. Even in the psychologist community this happens, and it's a pretty poor outlook IMO because sexuality and gender are whole opposites, and attraction To A Person can have little to do with either. If it bugs you, ask yourself this: Would they still be your submissives if there was never any sex, and they never saw your genitalia again?

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Transsexualism can be a fetish. IMHO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people get turned on seeing forced bi, some at seeing a beautiful girl and knowing they were/are biologically male. Whatever gets your kink on, as long as it doesn't harm someone what do I care? In fact I embrace it. I am transitioning for a multitude of reasons, but I admit I do want to be sexually attractive as a "shemale"... and I like the word. To me it is an embrace of my sexuality, passion and power. I still think of myself as a woman, and what I do or don't do surgically is my own business. I doubt I will ever look like a porn star, but it makes me hot to think of myself as a beautiful woman with something different. It makes me hot to turn on powerful dominant men and women because of what I am (and who I am). If I like that and the people I click with like that, then what is wrong with being a TS sex object? It's not like that is the only thing I am or the only thing they see me as (if they want to be in my life that is)




Madame4a -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 11:53:14 AM)

I'm not trans.. but I did have a man in my life who fit this to a T -- he was exactly like that...

that said, I wouldn't assume that's the only interest someone has in you and my guess is, you could figure that out fairly quickly... if being a Domme is about that to you, then don't allow someone in your life who's interest is in a single fetish... the trans part of you.. most people prefer more well rounded relationships, and I'm sure that's you too...




SthrnCom4t -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 11:58:36 AM)

To the OP... I don't know your submissives, therefore, I can't give an opinion on your particular circumstance. In theory, could it be possible? Absolutely! There are people who want to be with women with big boobs, or big dicks. Some only want a blond or a red head. <insert 1000 other examples here>.

We are all responsible human beings, who need to make good choices about who we let into our 'inner circle'. Is it easy to let flattery and words seduce us? Sure. Is talk cheap? Yes, it certainly can be. Do we need to be the judge, watch how a person conducts him/herself, meet the family and the friends, and examine the life circumstances before we get intimate? Might be a good idea, depending on what we, ourselves, want out of the situation.

I don't know what it's like to have Gender Dysphoria, but from what I've learned in the last 3 years being with Otter, I can see that it's damn complicated. It's complicated for the individuals with, and for ignorant people with built in prejudices on the outside. Sometimes it's complicated for those who are ok with it, because they don't know how to act as to not to insult. In fact, we get that question often, from those who have never been friends with a transgendered person. Good people who are genuinely concerned of inadvertently using the wrong pronoun, and not wanting to insult.

Personally, I gravitate toward open, grounded, genuine and compassionate individuals. Otter and I have a large social network of friends, and we are doing our best to educate in a positive way about Gender Dysphoria. We don't do large scale presentations, but we meet new people all the time in our every day activities. We provide a safe environment for people to ask questions, and our default is not to be offended. We make good personal choices, and haven't yet had a bad experience.







Wheldrake -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 2:00:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IsaNova

Transsexualism can be a fetish. IMHO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people get turned on seeing forced bi, some at seeing a beautiful girl and knowing they were/are biologically male. Whatever gets your kink on, as long as it doesn't harm someone what do I care? In fact I embrace it. I am transitioning for a multitude of reasons, but I admit I do want to be sexually attractive as a "shemale"... and I like the word. To me it is an embrace of my sexuality, passion and power. I still think of myself as a woman, and what I do or don't do surgically is my own business. I doubt I will ever look like a porn star, but it makes me hot to think of myself as a beautiful woman with something different. It makes me hot to turn on powerful dominant men and women because of what I am (and who I am). If I like that and the people I click with like that, then what is wrong with being a TS sex object? It's not like that is the only thing I am or the only thing they see me as (if they want to be in my life that is)



In my opinion this is quite insightful, especially the last sentence. Most of us are only attracted, or at least primarily attracted, to certain categories of people. I wouldn't be attracted to the woman in my life if she weren't, well, a woman (although her dominant streak is just a bonus). But it's not like I'm attracted to her just because she's a woman, since I can list dozens of things that I like about her in particular. A person who was drawn to transsexuals as a category still could, and hopefully would, see them as individuals and try to engage with them on that level.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 6:01:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
There are guys out there who are interested in transfolk specifically because they are trans, and I think that it can indeed be creepy if they too are trying to reduce you down to just your sexual organs and wrapping you up in a fetishized package.


People like what they like; how creepy they are depends on how they go about pursuing it, and how they treat people and think of people to whom they are sexually attracted.

I like transfolk, mostly as friends, because they are more likely to be understanding of my own ambiguously gendered feelings, and I just plain like genderbent energy and prefer being around people of nontraditional gender orientation.  I do think that someone who is male bodied but ambiguously gendered, androgynous or even downright femme can be very attractive.  I have avoided romantic or sexual relationships with transgendered women who feel strongly that they need to fully transition, because I would not be able to be as supportive of their transition as they would deserve in a partner.  I like the boy bits too much.  Someone who identified by choice as a "shemale" or as genderqueer rather than a transwoman would be someone I might be willing to date, but it would depend on the individual.  I am not automatically attracted to every male because he is male, nor to every shemale. 

I don't think that being willing to date a bio male or a self-identified shemale but not a transgendered woman automatically makes me creepy.  I like what I like, and what I like happens to be boy bits on someone who is either male identified or ambiguously gendered.  What makes me not creepy is that if a particular human being happens to be sexually attractive to me, I relate to them like a human being, not like a fantasy idealization of their genitals.


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But I refuse to believe that transfolk are only the sum of their body parts, that they are only an image of something that others say they can never be.  I believe that people out there can and do love them because they are awesome human beings worthy of love and respect completely outside of what is going on with their bodies...


I agree with the first sentence but not the second.  Some transfolks are amazing human beings who are worthy of love and respect, and others are a complete waste of oxygen.  Being trans isn't a guarantee of being a good person, though I'll generally cut a transperson extra slack for the shit that gets piled on them by the rest of the world.  It can be hard to survive a burden like that, at least not without sustaining deep damage.  But the ones who do survive are the ones whose courage and strength I admire.




IsaNova -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/14/2011 7:32:11 PM)

If I write you a message saying, "could we meet for coffee" or "would it be ok to sit next to you at the munch, I'd really like to meet you Ma'am" would you find it offensive?

If you wrote me back asking why I was interested in you particular, and I said in part because you are a trans-Dominant, would you be offended?

I'm not saying "I want to have sex with you" or "wow tranny, hehe" or whatever... chances are if we click it may never be sexual at all. I could serve a lady and find joy in knowing she is something different without ever giving her a blowjob. Hell, you could even build a dynamic out of the desire to whilst having it utterly forbidden, just be imaginative.

I think the consensus here, and I agree with it, is that to see someone as a chick with a dick and nothing more is about as crass as seeing a woman as little more than a pair of walking breasts. There's going to be jackasses that won't look you in the eye, but it doesn't mean that it is a bad thing to love tits.




Dastan -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/15/2011 7:45:02 PM)

Psychology is not an exact science, and some do not consider it to be that even. It does base itself on scientific knowledge and method, but that does not make its postulates an undisputable axiom or law that governs a given topic or situation with unfallible protocols and predictions.

However, the point IS valid. Even if your friend was so succint and crude to express her thoughts. Not to mention oversimplifying the case of study.

------- If a man enjoys anal stimulation through an strap-on from a female Dominant, he is still heterosexual. He does not need his partner to stimulate him, by adding to the anal stimulation and the psychological construct regarding this situation or scenario, a different gender identity or origin.

------- If he needs a Transexual to be the one inserting her penis inside him, even if it was the case of a strap-on as the phallic prosthetic being used instead of the actual penis, then the man is obviously adding, if it is not a by-product of that, an element of gender fetishism into the scenario and feeding off of it, therefore being gay.

Now, if the partner is a post-op transgendered person, no phallus here, the man is still addressing gay feelings, if he is evaluating the situation as "sexually being with a former male or intersexed/transgendered person who started as a male". Simple logic: he still sees the person he is with as a man, sort of, almost as a man. there is no female identity for him to assign to the person he is with, he is not, and may never think of her as a female or feminine being.

But if the case occurs that he is honestly in love with his partner, being that he is fully aware of her origins as a male, being that she may be post op, then as there is no phallus-derived pleasure, even if strap-ons were used, then he of course is the exact opposite case as described above, he sees his aprtner as a female entity, and therefore there is no fetishism derived or supported by her origin or condition, even if she was pre-op and there was phallic usage, he still does not assign an "intermediate" or "mock female" status to the person, and instead, assigns to her a female identity and loves her as a woman, same case as with the man with a genetically-born woman who enjoys strap-ons.

Of course, this last case is hard to find.

....unless it is a soap opera scenario where boy meets girl-who-used-to-be-boy without knwoing about "her" origins and then discovers, accepts and embraces her and her origins and difference (whether she has a penis or not still attached and uses it or other anal stimulators and play scenarios) and loves "her" for who "she" is and chooses to ignore and forget that in fact, "she" was a "he" and decides to focus on the mind and heart and not the genitalia of the person he loves.

But then again, statistically, that happens, in fact, it even happens that someone meets a transgender person knowing about her status since the moment they are introduced and eventually see that he and "she" are soulmates, in spite of any gender identification issues and biases out there.

As a final note, if you see me typing "her" and "she" as such, I do not use quote marks to denigrate a transgender person or employ any form of sarcasm or condescending tones or pejorative meaning. I do it for the sake of creating a perspective.

That said, I must confess that I respect very deeply someone who improves himself enough to recognize and find happines becoming and being herself, against all odds, prejudices and the like. My culture values perfection and self-betterment and improvement, evolution and progression. Transgenderism is a path to such goal as well.

And as long as a person is a decent human being, I do not think, and my entire race does not think, that there should be a match between the exterior image and behaviour and the genital organs received at birth. You can be L, G, B or T and also Q as long as you are D: DECENT. That meaning to live by the rule "Do no harm", love thy fellow humans, under whatever guise may they come" and it is a simple concept you might want to consider, Mistress Sadia, you seem as a good person, so just avoid those who seek you out as a toy to arouse themselves, and find yourself a person who can see who you are and love you and serve you for it.




hematitan -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/18/2011 1:01:56 AM)

The impression I get from your friend's comment is that she has a fairly narrow view of the relationships trans people have. The quote you've shared comes across as very absolute, as though anything else were impossible, and I really don't believe that.

That said, there certainly are chasers and trans fetishists. I think trans women face it more than trans men, and it's not something I've faced much, but I know it happens and it's something I worry about, myself. But I wonder -- if your subs were only into you because you're trans, wouldn't you notice? Perhaps not, but I don't know if they'd be able to totally hide their motivations or interests, either.

I also think this is something that will probably depend on the people somewhat. Personally, I think there's a fine line between someone thinking my body and gender identify are hot, and liking it, and someone objectifying me and seeing me as a fetish object more than a person. The former I think could be a good thing, if it comes with respect and the person is interested in more of me than just that. I want people to find me attractive, and my body and gender are part of me. But I can also understand why some trans people would find any sort of emphasis on their trans-ness insulting. Not all trans people see "trans" as being part of their identity. So while I find objectification and fetishization of trans people creepy and annoying, I think there are also some gray areas where what constitutes respect depends on how you wish to be treated.

So I think the important thing is, are you  happy with your subs? Do they treat you how you want to be treated? Do they make you feel respected?




hausboy -> RE: IS there no Transdom or only Femdom Trans-fetishism? (3/18/2011 8:32:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hematitan

The impression I get from your friend's comment is that she has a fairly narrow view of the relationships trans people have. The quote you've shared comes across as very absolute, as though anything else were impossible, and I really don't believe that.

That said, there certainly are chasers and trans fetishists. I think trans women face it more than trans men, and it's not something I've faced much, but I know it happens and it's something I worry about, myself. But I wonder -- if your subs were only into you because you're trans, wouldn't you notice? Perhaps not, but I don't know if they'd be able to totally hide their motivations or interests, either.

I also think this is something that will probably depend on the people somewhat. Personally, I think there's a fine line between someone thinking my body and gender identify are hot, and liking it, and someone objectifying me and seeing me as a fetish object more than a person. The former I think could be a good thing, if it comes with respect and the person is interested in more of me than just that. I want people to find me attractive, and my body and gender are part of me. But I can also understand why some trans people would find any sort of emphasis on their trans-ness insulting. Not all trans people see "trans" as being part of their identity. So while I find objectification and fetishization of trans people creepy and annoying, I think there are also some gray areas where what constitutes respect depends on how you wish to be treated.

So I think the important thing is, are you  happy with your subs? Do they treat you how you want to be treated? Do they make you feel respected?



I agree with a lot of this...

We had a creepy gay guy who continuously tried to "crash" events and functions that were for trasngendered men and their significant others..... and made the rounds, hitting on every single FTM he could find.  And it was always all about him. (sound familiar mes Dommes?)  It was never "Hi, you're an interesting person, I'd like to get to know you..."    It was always-- "I love gay trannyboys and even though you have pussies I'll still fuck you"

it was gross.  really creepy. 





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