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Marini -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 9:48:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: poise

Yes, I will. Call me ignorant, but I have faith that what reaches our shores,
and then our grocery stores, will have passed rigorous testing and been deemed edible.

I live in Louisiana, and was not harmed or sickened by any food since the oil leak either.


I am not calling you ignorant at all, poise.
I am just wondering about the food chain, and the levels of contaminants, cancer causing agents and GOD knows what, pouring into the ocean lately.

I want to know if anyone thinks, wonders or worries about what is in our food chain NOW, and what will be in our food chain LATER, due to man made pollutants and environmental issues including oil leaks and radiation.

Everything doesn't always come to light NOW, some things may not come to light for 30-50 years.
Thanks for responding.



Im already seeing the "fear". My restaurant sells sushi. Customers are already asking if any of our fish comes from Japan. It doesnt, and our sushi sales have not declined... yet.


This is funny in a very sad way.
The tsunami, earthquake and radiation problems all started 5 days ago.
Do they think that they restaurant is getting fresh fish from Japan, after all their
tragedies this quickly?
Now would be the time to eat it!




Marini -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 9:55:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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I would think they make enough to export.


They do (or did before the quake). They import US rice because of tariff concessions under GATT (1993?) that attempted to even out the balance of trade.


Are you saying they buy rice from us, and we buy computers, cars, and everything electronic from them??
lol
Yet, another reason this country is rolling downhill and backwards.




Real0ne -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 9:58:22 PM)



sure but how does one escape it?

1/2 life into the millions of years?

has anyone here seen the 6 legged frogs and what happened to the new borns in iraq after all the DU was spread around?

I was not aware that NOT posting pics of babies included those with 3 eyes, 1/2 a head, toes on their hands and so forth and so on was against the TOS and yes I posted it when the war mongers were waving the red white and blue singing kill all the muslims.

the point is the stuff does not go away any time soon.




Marini -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:01:55 PM)

RO, don't scare the people.

It doesn't effect the fish, food chains, and the ecosystems, and it doesn't get into our food supply and/or air that we breathe.
It doesn't increase our risk of cancers, and only GOD knows what.

It just goes away, like someone stated it "disperses" in the air and the ocean.

Heck, I take Q-10 it is excellent for circulation, the heart and blood pressure.
It is a wonderful supplement, now I must even check and see where my vitamins are made.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:09:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Marini


I would think they make enough to export.


They do (or did before the quake). They import US rice because of tariff concessions under GATT (1993?) that attempted to even out the balance of trade.


Are you saying they buy rice from us, and we buy computers, cars, and everything electronic from them??
lol
Yet, another reason this country is rolling downhill and backwards.


Worse than that, a lot of the rice we sell them sits in warehouses and is never eaten. Its just a subsidy for our rice growers.




Real0ne -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:10:12 PM)



the problem of course is tracing the path it takes....  one needs to look at the sea currents which over time cover the whole sea, and the winds and likewise over time covers the whole earth, though I do expect that the greatest concentration will in a few hundred mile radius.






DarkSteven -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:22:20 PM)

Depends on what the isotopes are.  If they're uranium or plutonium, then they are heavy as heck and will drop to the ocean floor.  They're also not water soluble so will not enter a marine digestive system readily.

Brings back days of doing hazards assessment at Rocky Flats...




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:29:51 PM)


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Brings back days of doing hazards assessment at Rocky Flats...



LOL. small world moment. I consulted to EG&G during the time they managed Rocky Flats.




Marini -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:30:05 PM)

I am just tired of seeing oil leaks, now radiation leaks, and environmental waste and toxins, man made pollutants, and all manner of crap dumped and spilled into our oceans.


It is hard to watch human beings kill animals to extinction, and just continue to destory ecosystems, food chains, marine life, and the beautiful oceans as we slowly destroy this planet.
[:(]




Real0ne -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 10:30:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Depends on what the isotopes are.  If they're uranium or plutonium, then they are heavy as heck and will drop to the ocean floor.  They're also not water soluble so will not enter a marine digestive system readily.

Brings back days of doing hazards assessment at Rocky Flats...



sure eventually they will get down there.

I agree they are heavy but they attach to everything and anything on the way down.

when you have an explosion you get nano-particle sizing and that stuff is so small it floats on dust in the air and yes the tradewinds will carry it here!

the sub-micron sized material IS the most hazardous because it will penetrate the mitochondria of every living thing and cause mutations.

the micro and above can be peed out in time except what lodges in a persons gut etc and they constantly give off radiation killing cells on the way out of the body causing cancer.

cancer cannot be traced to any one thing.  Its a great weapon of mass destruction frankly because it kills over time provide lots of jobs and radioactivity is a great way to deliver it.






Kirata -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/15/2011 11:31:57 PM)

~ FR ~

Oops, sorry... I just realized this was about Japanese food. [:D]

K.




Aneirin -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 4:49:12 AM)

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Conspiracy alert !

The world's food markets are getting tied up, the supermarket will control the world, it's producers and consumers.

But, as to Japanese food being eaten, why not, for there is food produced in other parts of the world under less than ideal conditions that are already in our food chain. Food is big business and big business always wins. But this information coming out of Japan for those that decide to act on it, for sure, that cuts Japan out of the food business, the market is narrowed.

What one has to ask, is why this information has come out, who does it serve, us, or big business.

One has got to die at some point, who says it will be sooner or later, for we never know what the future holds to any real degree of certainty.




DarkSteven -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 6:58:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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Depends on what the isotopes are.  If they're uranium or plutonium, then they are heavy as heck and will drop to the ocean floor.  They're also not water soluble so will not enter a marine digestive system readily.

Brings back days of doing hazards assessment at Rocky Flats...



sure eventually they will get down there.

I agree they are heavy but they attach to everything and anything on the way down.

when you have an explosion you get nano-particle sizing and that stuff is so small it floats on dust in the air and yes the tradewinds will carry it here!

the sub-micron sized material IS the most hazardous because it will penetrate the mitochondria of every living thing and cause mutations.

the micro and above can be peed out in time except what lodges in a persons gut etc and they constantly give off radiation killing cells on the way out of the body causing cancer.

cancer cannot be traced to any one thing.  Its a great weapon of mass destruction frankly because it kills over time provide lots of jobs and radioactivity is a great way to deliver it.



WTF? 

1. "Attaching", as you put it, is a chemical reaction,  Not only is it not a given that it will react from its original state, but it will become neither less or more radioactive as it does so. 
2. If it's a heavy metal, it ain't gonna float on dust.  The nanoparticles you describe have just as much mass as the huge chunks, just less volume.  If you drop a 40 lb chunk of lead and a 3 oz chunk of lead from a height, they'll both fall at the same rate.  Gravitational pull is independent of size.  Trade winds will not carry it anywhere.
I'm not saying it won't find its way over here, but if the path is long enough, it'll be dispersed by the time it gets here. Remember, if the fuel is uranium, the fuel is nothing more than naturally occurring uranium that was concentrated in a centrifuge.  If it's dispersed, well, that's how it was in nature in the first place.
3. It will NOT be peed out.  It won't get that far into the body.  As I said above, it is NOT water soluble.  Anythiing that is peed is absorbed into the body (usually through digestion), collected from the cells, filtered through the kidneys, and passed out.  That is impossible for things that are not water soluble.  If any heavy metal isotopes are ingested, they will NOT be absorbed into the stomach lining in the first place and will be excreted out (to put it politely).  In other words, no damage.

At Rocky Flats, we analyzed the four separate pathways that plutonium could enter the body - ingestion (as above, not a concern), inhalation, absorption (skin contact), and injection (entering through an open wound).  Absorption was obviously not an issue since Pu is not water soluble.  Injection was done by reducing sharp edges in the workplace.  Inhalation was a serious concern and measures were taken to reduce it.

As I said above, this depends on what the isotopes are.  I sure as hell hope they're not water soluble.




Real0ne -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 8:17:05 AM)

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WTF? 

1. "Attaching", as you put it, is a chemical reaction,  Not only is it not a given that it will react from its original state, but it will become neither less or more radioactive as it does so. 

is there a more proper term?

I can float an iron needle on water right....
would stick to dust be better? carried by dust?

2. If it's a heavy metal, it ain't gonna float on dust.  The nanoparticles you describe have just as much mass as the huge chunks, just less volume.  If you drop a 40 lb chunk of lead and a 3 oz chunk of lead from a height, they'll both fall at the same rate.  Gravitational pull is independent of size.  Trade winds will not carry it anywhere.

point is regardless of the weight and yes it is heavy it can be carried on dust if the particles are small enough, in the range of nano.

put it this way...if the buoyancy of a chunk of dust is greater than the gravity acting against the particle and the dust it will float on the air.  Thats not to say every particle of dust will have with it a particle of plutonium etc or be capable of floating it, but how many ways woud we like to slice this.

I'm not saying it won't find its way over here, but if the path is long enough, it'll be dispersed by the time it gets here. Remember, if the fuel is uranium, the fuel is nothing more than naturally occurring uranium that was concentrated in a centrifuge.  If it's dispersed, well, that's how it was in nature in the first place.

well sorta kinda.... its not like they strip the top of a field to get it you know.
  most is mined.

3. It will NOT be peed out.  It won't get that far into the body.  As I said above, it is NOT water soluble.  Anythiing that is peed is absorbed into the body (usually through digestion), collected from the cells, filtered through the kidneys, and passed out.  That is impossible for things that are not water soluble.  If any heavy metal isotopes are ingested, they will NOT be absorbed into the stomach lining in the first place and will be excreted out (to put it politely).  In other words, no damage.

yup good cal I should have said shit out. 

if you are claiming no damage that is not correct, there certainly is damage from any ionizing radiation in your body.  the longer it stays in the body the more like you will get cancer the more dna get mutated.   If it get caught on something on its way through then it can and does stay there for years nuking the person.


At Rocky Flats, we analyzed the four separate pathways that plutonium could enter the body - ingestion (as above, not a concern), inhalation, absorption (skin contact), and injection (entering through an open wound).  Absorption was obviously not an issue since Pu is not water soluble.  Injection was done by reducing sharp edges in the workplace.  Inhalation was a serious concern and measures were taken to reduce it.

As I said above, this depends on what the isotopes are.  I sure as hell hope they're not water soluble.



the problem is the size.  submicron particles of any substance is well known to enter into the mitochondria simply due to its incredibly small size and has nothing to do with absorbtion....  if you are reading absorption as the same thing as "dissolving" or breaking down somehow.  That is not necessary.  I dont plan on looking up the precise label put in it though




mnottertail -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 8:19:17 AM)

FR.


free-radicals.   




DomKen -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 12:47:57 PM)

FR

Some facts to keep in mind, Japan exports very very little food. Japonica, japanese short grain rice, is not exported at all.

Kobe beef is only exported in small quantities and is raised in Hyogo prefecture which is several hundred km from the area being contaminated. Most of what you see called Kobe is actually more properly called Wagyu and is from Australia or the US.

Soy sauce, miso, bonito and some other products are exported but alternatives exist for most and for the rest I'm stocking up what will last. I think the only real shortage for me may be wasabi root which I can certainly live without.




Marini -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 2:51:53 PM)


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Some facts to keep in mind, Japan exports very very little food. Japonica, japanese short grain rice, is not exported at all.

Kobe beef is only exported in small quantities and is raised in Hyogo prefecture which is several hundred km from the area being contaminated. Most of what you see called Kobe is actually more properly called Wagyu and is from Australia or the US.

Soy sauce, miso, bonito and some other products are exported but alternatives exist for most and for the rest I'm stocking up what will last. I think the only real shortage for me may be wasabi root which I can certainly live without.


Thankies, I now realize that Japan exports little food, which makes since given the size of the country, and the population.
But thanks for given me the heads up, I will pick up some miso and wasabi root just in case.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 2:56:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Some facts to keep in mind, Japan exports very very little food. Japonica, japanese short grain rice, is not exported at all.

Kobe beef is only exported in small quantities and is raised in Hyogo prefecture which is several hundred km from the area being contaminated. Most of what you see called Kobe is actually more properly called Wagyu and is from Australia or the US.

Soy sauce, miso, bonito and some other products are exported but alternatives exist for most and for the rest I'm stocking up what will last. I think the only real shortage for me may be wasabi root which I can certainly live without.


Thankies, I now realize that Japan exports little food, which makes since given the size of the country, and the population.
But thanks for given me the heads up, I will pick up some miso and wasabi root just in case.



Better stock up on nori also. Thats probably the most exported and hardest to replace sushi basic.




littlewonder -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 3:52:32 PM)

I'm not concerned with the food being radiated from Japan since I'm sure it would be tested before being put on my plate but I am concerned that prices for seafood will skyrocket beyond belief, especially tuna. If the prices go sky high I won't be able to afford it anymore anyway. Sigh...and I so adore sushi. I basically live off of it in the summer.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Will you be eating anything from Japan again? (3/16/2011 4:09:49 PM)


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I'm not concerned with the food being radiated from Japan since I'm sure it would be tested before being put on my plate but I am concerned that prices for seafood will skyrocket beyond belief, especially tuna. If the prices go sky high I won't be able to afford it anymore anyway. Sigh...and I so adore sushi. I basically live off of it in the summer.



I doubt that very much tuna comes from Japan, at least for West Coast sushi. Its too abundant here to bother shipping it in. I just about live off sushi year round...4-5 times a week at least.




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