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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 8:49:08 PM   
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OK…I’ll take the heat… What damn business is it of the US , if we are asked to provide air intercepts and put our boys and girls in harms way, to interfere in a civil war?

Yes the man is a nut case but he is being supported not only by his army… but it seems a good portion of Libyans.

It is for them to straighten out…not the UN… or the US. If there is to be any action or interference let the Arab world of surrounding countries step in.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 8:58:22 PM   
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Translation - After leftists spent the last eight years screaming their outrageous lies to the entire world about how the United States is such a horrid, brutal imperialist nation for liberating those millions of Iraqis and Afghans, Barack Obama was very hard pressed to follow in GWs footsteps and lift even his little finger to help lift up a few million people on his own watch.



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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:01:03 PM   
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Translation - After leftists spent the last eight years screaming their outrageous lies to the entire world about how the United States is such a horrid, brutal imperialist nation for liberating those millions of Iraqis and Afghans, Barack Obama was very hard pressed to follow in GWs footsteps and lift even his little finger to help lift up a few million people on his own watch.


What frequency is that alien radio station that plays in your head? I'd like to give it a listen sometime.


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:02:07 PM   
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If we don't go to Libya, we would be going somewhere else anyway.


Like Japan?

I decided to edit this to make it clearer.

We, as in the US, do have other concerns at the moment. Two wars still being faught and americans that need to be evacuated from Japan.

Isnt it time we started putting ourselves first a tiny bit?

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 3/17/2011 9:22:25 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:06:49 PM   
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I'm not defending here, only explaining...

Our action in this, and the timing of it, was motivated purely by politics. In order to get on the good side of the government that will be ruling Libya in the future, we had no choice but to intervene on their behalf. But in order to avoid looking like hegemonic nation-building imperialist cowboys in the eyes of the rest of the Arab world, we had no choice but to wait a decent interval before rolling up our sleeves and wading into the fight. We're sending numerous messages to both the people and the governments of the Middle East - that we will intervene on the side of populist uprisings if the government does not resolve them peacefully and democratically. Our message is meant to encourage progressive citizens of these countries to stand up and take their countries back, and to discourage Arab governments from taking a hard line against progressive populism.

As I said, I'm not defending it - just sayin', that's the "why" of it.


Great post, Panda!

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:07:44 PM   
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I hope I am not becoming a compulsive thread starter, "One of those people that is constantly starting threads".
If so, HippieKinkster well come soon and read my ass.

You're getting Reeeealllyyy close to the line, there, Missie.


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:15:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini


I hope I am not becoming a compulsive thread starter, "One of those people that is constantly starting threads".
If so, HippieKinkster well come soon and read my ass.

You're getting Reeeealllyyy close to the line, there, Missie.



lol
If I get too carried away, I know you will put me on "blast".
hehe

So much going on in the world right now, that has NOTHING to do with "partisian bullchips", "wink wink".


< Message edited by Marini -- 3/17/2011 9:17:05 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:18:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Translation - After leftists spent the last eight years screaming their outrageous lies to the entire world about how the United States is such a horrid, brutal imperialist nation for liberating those millions of Iraqis and Afghans, Barack Obama was very hard pressed to follow in GWs footsteps and lift even his little finger to help lift up a few million people on his own watch.

Obama would have found such a high calling nothing short of embarrassing, hence all the confusion amongst our allies, all the mixed messages and his complete lack of commitment towards extending freedom and democracy towards those poor desperate souls who were so bravely reaching out for it.

Your partisan hate has really reached a tipping point hasn't it? Please explain to us silly libtard leftists how the situations are even remotely alike?
What "populist" uprising was Bush and his coalition of the willing moving to support  when we invaded Iraq?
Let me help you out here....there was none?
Afghanistan is a different animal..we went in there seeking the planners of 9/11......again not to support a populist,hopefully emerging democratic, uprising.... keep comparing apples and oranges with your shrilly partisan voice(and yes I too am partisan.....but i try not to deny reality while I go about it)whether you know it or not,whether you acknowledge it or not you have become nothing more than Collarme's biggest joke.The number of posters that take you seriously can be counted on one hand.....and I assume you can figure out what most of us think of those fools.


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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:29:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Translation - After leftists spent the last eight years screaming their outrageous lies to the entire world about how the United States is such a horrid, brutal imperialist nation for liberating those millions of Iraqis and Afghans, Barack Obama was very hard pressed to follow in GWs footsteps and lift even his little finger to help lift up a few million people on his own watch.


What frequency is that alien radio station that plays in your head? I'd like to give it a listen sometime.



me too! I would love to listen.
I am a closet listener of "rush and big water head hannity and mark levin".
I do listen to them at least a few minutes daily, if not, how do I know what they are up to?
I usually can't take more than 5 minutes of rush though.


I am not going to lie! sometimes in my car on the radio they are more interesting than NPR, my book on tape, or old school grooves.
But I have not heard the "sanity channel".
Do I have to buy some gadget from China or Japan to listen to the "Sanity channel"?
I don't even see him when I cruise past Fox channel.

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/17/2011 9:32:56 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 9:49:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Translation - After leftists spent the last eight years screaming their outrageous lies to the entire world about how the United States is such a horrid, brutal imperialist nation for liberating those millions of Iraqis and Afghans, Barack Obama was very hard pressed to follow in GWs footsteps and lift even his little finger to help lift up a few million people on his own watch.

Obama would have found such a high calling nothing short of embarrassing, hence all the confusion amongst our allies, all the mixed messages and his complete lack of commitment towards extending freedom and democracy towards those poor desperate souls who were so bravely reaching out for it.



lol, what leftists are you talking bout?
Follow in GWB's footsteps? OMG!
Who the hell wants to follow in GWB {CLEARLY one of the worse President's ever} footsteps?
How low can you go?

I think you need 4 spankings and you also need to stand in the time out corner.

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/17/2011 9:51:14 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:00:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Panda this way of thinking is what got us into the mess we are in today. It is time we did was was right not politically expedient...otherwise mind our own business.

If we can't do that then we should encourage Arab nations in the area to act... then support them.

Butch

< Message edited by kdsub -- 3/17/2011 10:08:21 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:03:13 PM   
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If we don't go to Libya, we would be going somewhere else anyway.


Like Japan?

I decided to edit this to make it clearer.

We, as in the US, do have other concerns at the moment. Two wars still being faught and americans that need to be evacuated from Japan.

Isnt it time we started putting ourselves first a tiny bit?


Putting ourselves FIRST is NOT the American way these days.
Might as well REALLY attempt to help another country.

Fuck American citizens, we hardly want to do that!
lol, outsourcing, cutting programs, helping the poor and disenfranchized, slashing government programs is the order of the day!Time for many sweeping budget cuts and union busting, so we can lower most Americans standards of living, so we can be like China one day.
USA right now is on the downward track, in case you had not noticed.

This country is so fucked right now, do you thinking helping those in Libya makes a fucking difference?

lol
I say lets help some other countries, we might need another country to go to in the future.

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/17/2011 10:09:12 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:06:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Butch when what is right intersects with what is politically expediant(which is the case here....and which panda's post illustrated beautifully)than you go ahead and do it.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:10:51 PM   
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Fuck American citizens, we hardly want to do that!
lol, outsourcing, cutting programs, helping the poor and disenfranchized, slashing government programs is the order of the day!Time for many sweeping budget cuts and union busting, so we can aim lower most Americans standards of living, so we can be like China one day.


Sadly, this is exactly how it is in America.

Our own citizens last.

Someone elses first.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:12:49 PM   
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Fuck American citizens, we hardly want to do that!
lol, outsourcing, cutting programs, helping the poor and disenfranchized, slashing government programs is the order of the day!Time for many sweeping budget cuts and union busting, so we can aim lower most Americans standards of living, so we can be like China one day.


Sadly, this is exactly how it is in America.

Our own citizens last.

Someone elses first.


YES!!! This is the American way, go to other countries {like Iraq}, spend 10 years
there, and zillions of dollars.
Outsource the majority of the jobs to 3rd world countries, and then cut as many government
programs as you can!!
Now you are in the game, tazzy.

Helping Americans will not be on the menu, regardless if we go to Libya or not!!
Damn skippy we can help those in Libya, cause helping Americans is not even on the agenda.

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/17/2011 10:16:30 PM >

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:15:42 PM   
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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:17:36 PM   
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More assistance? Hell, I get none now. Because I dont have a house full of kids and can speak english, im not eligible for anything.


Go to Mexico, come in here illegally.
Than you will get more assistance.

I have stood behind many people speaking broken or barely any English, that have food stamps.
*Excuse me it is some sort of EBT/assistance card now, we are in the computer age.
Seriously, as I figure out how to make ends meet.

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:18:08 PM   
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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:18:16 PM   
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Butch when what is right intersects with what is politically expediant(which is the case here....and which panda's post illustrated beautifully)than you go ahead and do it.



But is it right? Who are we to decide... Who made us the know alls of this world... Can't you see how we are repeating our mistakes over and over... and killing our boys and girls in the process.

Let these people decide their own fates...Let the people in that part of the world decide what is right.

We are always well meaning when we interfere and it bites us in the ass every time.

Butch

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RE: Is it too late for No-fly zone to be effective? - 3/17/2011 10:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.. now wouldnt that just trip a few triggers.

A legal, acting like an illegal, pretending to be legal, to get assistance!

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