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DomKen -> Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 10:28:42 AM)
From that bastion of the GOP comes a law that would allow illegal immigrants to regularize their status and live openly. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031005723.html I wonder what a certain spinach eater thinks of this.

Termyn8or -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 10:58:35 AM)
Utah ? Utah in the US ? This is news for sure, like if Klatoo and Gort were to actually show up. Maybe they did. To say the least, this is quite out of character. T^T

joether -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 11:49:08 AM)
A very surprising and positive bill, and from none other than Utah. Who the hell immigrates to Utah? Does the action given to illegal immigrants, allow them the option of learning English (American-English to be exact), or is a requirement to gain this new status? If its an option that's one thing; if its a requirement, the folks in Utah will have to deal with 1st Amendment violation. Not making this stuff up folks. The reason is, that "...Freedom of Speech..." basically states a person is not forced to learn a language they do not want to learn, nor be penalitzed with prison/fines for not knowing. However, as I've always pointed on on this issue, a non-English speaker gains a number of advantages by taking up the language: Future Employment, Visiting Other States, Seeing Movies unaltered/dubbed, and many others. It is quite surprising that conservatives in that state are choosing something very....liberal....in nature. I'm wondering if that will draw sharp rebuttals not from liberals outside the state, but from the GOP/Tea Party? As this bill completely undermines their efforts/wishs to deal with illegal immigration as inhuman and intolerant as possible.

mnottertail -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 12:05:37 PM)
Cant the arizona guys ship their cactus trimmers and sand rakers over to utah and utah can retrain them as snowshovelers?

Termyn8or -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 1:08:35 PM)
Now that's the power of positive thinking - keep them working all year round. And for that, they don't even have to learn the language. And as far as learning the language, YES they should have to. My ancestors did it and so did yours. That's the breaks. T^T

Aylee -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 2:37:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Does the action given to illegal immigrants, allow them the option of learning English (American-English to be exact), or is a requirement to gain this new status? If its an option that's one thing; if its a requirement, the folks in Utah will have to deal with 1st Amendment violation. Not making this stuff up folks. The reason is, that "...Freedom of Speech..." basically states a person is not forced to learn a language they do not want to learn, nor be penalitzed with prison/fines for not knowing. However, as I've always pointed on on this issue, a non-English speaker gains a number of advantages by taking up the language: Future Employment, Visiting Other States, Seeing Movies unaltered/dubbed, and many others. Oh don't be silly, it is not a 1st ammendment issue. Sure you are required to learn English if you want to stay. So what. You are not being forced as you have the option of going back to your country of origin. Furthermore you are not being denied the right to speak in another language.

Moonhead -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 2:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I wonder what a certain spinach eater thinks of this. Maybe the reason he hasn't been posting for the last day or two is because his head exploded when he heard the news?

slvemike4u -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 2:46:12 PM)
Or he could be suffering from the Irish flu......otherwise known as a hangover [:D] Edited due to my own Irish flu

Moonhead -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 2:48:28 PM)
There's an old joke about the Dubliners playing a charity concert and some wag in the audience asking them to "do something Irish". So they donned donkey jackets and dug up the concert hall's carpark...

tazzygirl -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:00:03 PM)
quote: Utah's guest-worker bill doesn't grant citizenship, of course, but in every other way it's exactly what national Republicans have derided as "amnesty." It would grant work permits to undocumented immigrants, and their immediate families, who pay a fine, clear a criminal background check and study English. I can say if this is what the bill intends, then I am all for it. I can almost say with certainty that Pops would agree as well.

rulemylife -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:12:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether A very surprising and positive bill, and from none other than Utah. Who the hell immigrates to Utah? Have you ever been to Utah? There was a reason that the Winter Olympics were held there a few years ago.

Fellow -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:33:57 PM)
I guess the bill will be blocked by the Justice Department. Arizona example demonstrates the Federal Government assumes the states have no right to regulate immigration related issues.

tazzygirl -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:37:50 PM)
This could be an interesting fight between the states and the Justice department. They are not granting citizenship. Just guest worker status.

slvemike4u -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:38:46 PM)
They don't...it is a Federal issue

Fellow -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 3:58:25 PM)
My comment was actually a joke. Federal government would legalize everybody immediately: good for corporations. They just pretend to restrict illegal immigration for PR purposes. Good example: "Eight Out of Ten Illegal Aliens Apprehended in 2010 Never Prosecuted, Says Border Congressman" Thursday, March 17, 2011 http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/eight-out-ten-illegal-aliens-apprehended

rulemylife -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 4:04:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Nevermind, we posted at the same time and I misunderstood your first post.

DarkSteven -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 5:27:39 PM)
Stating that Utah is "conservative" oversimplifies. It is directed by the Mormon Church, and has several very odd quirks as a result. One is that a sizable number of them have served two year missions overseas. They've seen and interacted with foreign cultures. The program itself sounds similar to Germany's gastarbeiten program. The only surprising thing about the bill is that Utah - with typical Western pragmatism - tried to actually draft a workable bill instead of making a loud statement.

rulemylife -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 9:26:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Stating that Utah is "conservative" oversimplifies. It is directed by the Mormon Church, and has several very odd quirks as a result. One is that a sizable number of them have served two year missions overseas. They've seen and interacted with foreign cultures. The program itself sounds similar to Germany's gastarbeiten program. The only surprising thing about the bill is that Utah - with typical Western pragmatism - tried to actually draft a workable bill instead of making a loud statement. As I mentioned on another thread when the Utah issue came up, it is also similar to Bush's proposals that were shot down by the Republican Congress.

Termyn8or -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/18/2011 10:09:16 PM)
FR Where are RealO and Hunky at ? T^T

truckinslave -> RE: Utah to legalize illegal immigration? (3/20/2011 10:31:12 AM)
An excellent idea for two different reasons. 1. It will draw unwanted illegals to Utah. Let them pay for them 2. It will be fun fun fun watching Holders vain attempt to defend this law. "Well, yes, Justice Scalia, it in fact is our position that it is unconstitutional for Arizona to enforce federal immigration law, but it is constitutional for Utah to defy it" I mean, really.

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