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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 6:33:50 AM   
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And all that people in the western countries have to say about any of it is "ewww yuck, don't get any of that crap on my pants leg" ...


I haven't heard anyone say anything like this. Maybe you should rethink the type of people you hang out with.


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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 7:55:53 AM   
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Maybe you should read the thread, and all the other ones here concerning the matter, and find someone to explain to you what you lack in comprehension.


"We might be getting a few micro-radians on the west coast, ahhh!"

"We might have to do without tuna or nori seaweed or sushi for a few months, ahhh!"


F*ck the 14,000 dead people and lifelong devastation for many, what about my damn sushi?

We actually had some brit twit coming on here trying to claim that there was something particular to the Japanese putative denial of the danger at hand that he proposes is somehow different than the general denial of the inherent dangers therewith that exist in any place that uses that same method of power generation.

Then again, some people only hear what they want to hear, I'm well aware of that. No need to bray about it.








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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 1:35:21 PM   
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I dunno man, I've heard conflicting research so much now.  I don't think I would take anyone's word for it.  I've read up on it and scientists certainly don't agree with each other on the subject of if the WC should worry or not.  I would much rather be prepared and wrong than the alternative.  I'm also very aware of the risks even taking KI period.  But all in all, I just don't trust the media's word. After all, according to them, everything was under control.


If your REALLY worried about your health as it concerns radiation from Japan; go ask a medical doctor. Pretty sure they will know the effects of radiation on the human body, and if not, know how to look it up. Alternatively, you might use A US Goverment Resource for information. Better then running around aimlessly, screaming at the top of your lungs and flailing your arms in different directions, eh?

Now for the BOLD part....

If your demanding the world make sense, and everything fits in to nice, easily understood concepts and categories....you'll be waiting a long time. The 'media' as you call it, is comprised of hundreds if not thousands of individuals. They are not perfect (like your demanding apparently), and do make mistakes. Even well thought out plans can be torn up by unexpected events.


Ok, for the record.  I would NEVER use a US Gov source.  Infact I would rather take China's word for it than the US view.  Our whole policy is "Lie to them".  As for your claim on the mainstream media.  I'm well aware the media is comprised of many different people.  My point is that it doesn't matter if anyone reports anything real.  Because if it doesn't go along with the agenda of the corporate ownership, the information somehow seems to be manipulated to support their agenda or is just not reported on at all.

In example your beloved US media is all over the Libian revolution.  While paying little to no mind on ANY of the others that are taking place RIGHT NOW.  Here's your list:

Full blown revolution:  Libya, Syria, Ivory Coast

Protests escalating:  Iran, Yeman, Hungary, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Croatia, Sohar

Do I even need to go on?  To reiterate my point.  If they don't want you to know about it, you won't.  Unless you look elsewhere.  Keep watching your CorperateNBC and Fox news (oh yes, soooo unbiased.).  Meanwhile I'll continue comparing and contrasting my MANY world sources to get my news and my warnings.


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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 3:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I've seen, heard or read coverage of all the protests going on from US media sources.

BTW Syria having the first large scale demonstrations on Friday is a long way from a 'Full blown revolution' and Sohar is a single city in the nation of Oman.

As to the media, some outlets at least, reporting things at the plant was under control earlier in the week, did you for one single instance consider that with no independent access to the facility the media had to rely on statements from the Japanese government and the company that owns the plant? That those sources had very good, if not noble or honest, motivations to misinform the media?

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then I retract my errors.  Although it is my understanding things in Syria are worse than is lead to be believed.

But as for your single instance comment.  Absolutely not.  If perhaps their coverage was inhibited this one instance it still doesn't change the overall facts.  I have long ago abandoned any faith in mainstream American media.

But to make your point.  Please link all mainstream American media links to the above countries showing they have reported.  Because I'm googleing and youtubeing to try and find them to no avail.


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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:16:15 PM   
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http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=0z&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=syria&oq=syria

Ivory Coast
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=0&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=ivory+coast&oq=ivory+coast

Iran
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=0&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=iran+protests&oq=iran+protest

Yemen
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=yemen

Saudi Arabia
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=1&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=saudi+arabia+protests&oq=saudi+arabia

Bahrain
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=0&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=bahrain+protests&oq=bahrain+protests

Croatia
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=croatia+protests

Oman
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=oman+protests

Nothing seems to be going on in Hungary.

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		None of those are US media sources.  My argument was against them.  Google does not count as a US mainstream media source.  CNBC, CNN, Fox, etc.  Those are the sources I was talking about.

Also if you look closely at your link to the Ivory Coast you will notice the source is RTT.  Or Russia Today, if your not aware.  So far I have seen only a couple from actual mainstream media.  Only the more commonly reported of the above though.




Here's one source reporting on Hungary.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/03/protest_hungary

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:24:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, I have a question, what the fuck does the middle east have to do with Japan?

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:26:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was a side topic.  My fault, I didn't think trying to make a small point of the American media coverage on Japan being poor, would start a whole separate debate.

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:30:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChiDS

None of those are US media sources.  My argument was against them.  Google does not count as a US mainstream media source.  CNBC, CNN, Fox, etc.  Those are the sources I was talking about.


Here's one source reporting on Hungary.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/03/protest_hungary

None of those are US media? Hmm let me see, at this moment the first article under Syria is from the LA Times. It may surprise the residents of Los Angeles that they are not in the US. For the Ivory Coast the top article is to Voice of America (the government supported international broadcaster) and subheadings include similiar articles from the Boston Glob and the Seattle Post Intelligencer. That's a lot more US media sources.

Moving on to Iran, again the very first article is from a US media source, the Washington Post this time. I think I see a trend emerging. For Yemen the first article is from UPI, still a US press service, with related articles from PBS and the New York Times.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:49:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok so tell me then.  What good does it do for an article to be hidden in the LA Times or Voice of America if it's not being picked up and ran with by the MAINSTREAM <TV> NEWS, again since you keep ignoring it, CNN, CNBC, Fox news, etc etc.  You keep argueing like I'm sayin ALL US MEDIA is blacked out.  I have in no way said this and even reiterated it to you multiple times. Just because you choose to ignore the primary basis of my argument, does not make you right by default.

Also as I have also stated, some of the more prominent cases of protest and unrest ARE being reported.  But those deemed "not important due to the primary export of the country or lack of strategic placement to the current campaign, are left out of what is reported to MOST Americans.  IE people too stupid to pick up a copy of the LA Times or even use the web as their primary information source.  Most people are perfectly content with coming home from work turning on Fox news and calling it a night feeling they have been correctly informed.  So if Fox news reaches a MUCH larger audience than the LA Times and Fox news chooses not to report what the LA Times has.  No ones gunna know, are they?


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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 4:57:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You watch TV for news? Why do you do a silly thing like that?

It's not that media's corporate masters don't want to cover what is going on overseas unless it is something like Japan, it is that that stuff doesn't sell stuff and TV news is almost all about commercials. Trust me that if Americans watched international news rapidly there would be lots more of it on TV.

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 5:03:10 PM   
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You watch TV for news? Why do you do a silly thing like that?

It's not that media's corporate masters don't want to cover what is going on overseas unless it is something like Japan, it is that that stuff doesn't sell stuff and TV news is almost all about commercials. Trust me that if Americans watched international news rapidly there would be lots more of it on TV.


What? Stop putting words in my mouth.  I myself DO NOT watch the TV for news.  I do my own research.  I'm saying the vast majority of Americans do.  But seriously we are so off topic right now, so please pull out the proverbial tampon and start a new thread if you feel so offended by my opinion.


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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 5:15:24 PM   
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.........................And all that people in the western countries have to say about any of it is "ewww yuck, don't get any of that crap on my pants leg" ...

Gosh, I feel so proud right now.



Please don't lump everyone together.

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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 8:02:17 PM   
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RE: Here you go all you nay sayer's latest news on Japan - 3/19/2011 9:19:26 PM   
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I think iodine-131 is the problem, not -130. That's got a half-life of 8 days, so you're looking at a few months before it decays to a safe level.

But still, the point stands - as long as it doesn't get much worse than it is, the effects are likely to remain rather localized. It's only if they have a catastrophic meltdown of one of the  cores, or one of the spent fuels pods, that people outside of Japan have to worry very much. And while that's the direction it seems to be heading, we're not there yet, and may still take a different fork in the road before it gets to that point. Fingers crossed, everyone.


I-131 is the fission product. With the relatively short half life it is primarily a threat to people who drink milk from cows exposed to it and those who eat seafood like wise exposed. It is simply too heavy to stay airborne for long enough to get to the US from Japan in dangerous quantities.
Ah, OK. TY to you and Panda. I didn't research it, and my interests were in analytical chemistry, not nuclear chemistry. I used a gamma source at Shell once doing cross-sectional CT scans of rock cores from a field near Bakersfield, but that's been my only exposure, so to speak, to radioactive materials.


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