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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 3/20/2011 5:24:24 PM   
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My mind reading abilities are a little thin today. New here, yes, I do not know you. I do not care about a cone that says how many times I have posted, I know myself and that is more than enough. This is an interesting place to say the least, I am sure people here are mostly good, helpful and understanding. Based on most of what I have read I was not worried about posting the original topic. I am not here to spam or to bother anyone, I am here to find the right person for me. I may lack experience in this website but I do not lack experience in the lifestyle, I certainly hope these 2 things are not correlated in peoples minds.


You are the second person that I've said (roughly) the same thing to today.  If you have experience in the lifestyle, why are you making these rookie kind of mistakes?

Yes, this is a website and not a munch/BDSM event, but work with Me here.

If you went to a munch, would you approach every sub in the place with the same pick up line?  (You admitted to cut and paste.)

Would you attend without bothering to find out the rules of the group?  (Really, the spamming thing is on the home page, so the info was available to you of what NOT to do.)

Just because you know what you want, does that mean that you can just walk into an event and bother the crap out of everyone?  (If that many people reported you for spamming in less than a month, I'm betting you didn't really read that many of the profiles of the folks you were contacting.)

Act on the site the way you would if you were dealing with these people face to face.  You'll send less mail and be reported less often because you'll improve the content.


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 3/20/2011 5:35:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: FairDom6
My mind reading abilities are a little thin today. New here, yes, I do not know you. I do not care about a cone that says how many times I have posted, I know myself and that is more than enough. This is an interesting place to say the least, I am sure people here are mostly good, helpful and understanding. Based on most of what I have read I was not worried about posting the original topic. I am not here to spam or to bother anyone, I am here to find the right person for me. I may lack experience in this website but I do not lack experience in the lifestyle, I certainly hope these 2 things are not correlated in peoples minds.




You are the second person that I've said (roughly) the same thing to today.  If you have experience in the lifestyle, why are you making these rookie kind of mistakes?

Yes, this is a website and not a munch/BDSM event, but work with Me here.

If you went to a munch, would you approach every sub in the place with the same pick up line?  (You admitted to cut and paste.)

Would you attend without bothering to find out the rules of the group?  (Really, the spamming thing is on the home page, so the info was available to you of what NOT to do.)

Just because you know what you want, does that mean that you can just walk into an event and bother the crap out of everyone?  (If that many people reported you for spamming in less than a month, I'm betting you didn't really read that many of the profiles of the folks you were contacting.)

Act on the site the way you would if you were dealing with these people face to face.  You'll send less mail and be reported less often because you'll improve the content.



I admit to cut and paste when asking some people questions, not in approaching people. I do have some similar things to say to each person I approach, but I ultimately don't feel I was spamming anyone. I understand the rule and the need for it, and from now on I will be sure to change a few words, but the message ultimately is the same.

I do not compare a website to a munch at all, munches are much easier and do not have nearly as many posers to 'compete' with, nor do they have as many scammer subs. I appreciate your words though, I will be improving upon this issue.


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 3/20/2011 5:36:44 PM   
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And your point would be?????

  I'm still waiting for my prize!!!!!!


Come see me, I will reward you ;)


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 3/20/2011 6:05:37 PM   
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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/24/2011 7:49:56 PM   
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obviously you're not very choosey about who you want or what you desire. Your emails most likely read as cut and paste jobs.

Maybe take some time to only write to those women you find you would actually want in your life and not just every single woman you click on?



Considering how many people on this site have only 1 photo and a 1 sentence long description of themselves in their profiles (or less), how on earth are you supposed to make that determination without actually speaking to someone via PM? And the main reason I message people is to get them to check out my profile. I don't simply assume that anyone who shares my interests is going to find my profile on their own. There are many members on this site.

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/24/2011 7:57:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aderious

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

obviously you're not very choosey about who you want or what you desire. Your emails most likely read as cut and paste jobs.

Maybe take some time to only write to those women you find you would actually want in your life and not just every single woman you click on?



Considering how many people on this site have only 1 photo and a 1 sentence long description of themselves in their profiles (or less), how on earth are you supposed to make that determination without actually speaking to someone via PM? And the main reason I message people is to get them to check out my profile. I don't simply assume that anyone who shares my interests is going to find my profile on their own. There are many members on this site.


If they don't give me enough material to decide if I want to chat with them or not, I don't.

I don't refer people to my profile.  I send them a message that will let them know what I'm like.  If they want to look at my profile after that, then they will.

What kind of message do you send?  "Hey, check out my profile"?


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/24/2011 8:01:12 PM   
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What kind of message do you send? "Hey, check out my profile"?


When I get unsolicited messages to check out someone's profile it's a sure bet that I won't check it out. lol


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/24/2011 8:12:16 PM   
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You weren't smeared, just tagged for sending mass messages.

Just wait it out and then go forth, and send messages more individually.  Memories are short here.  It's not like you have a scarlet letter S branded on your forehead.

Although I don't know if the site admins are planning to institute that in the future...



Scarlet S, hahaha. But seriously OP, i would feel bad about it too. i would feel guilty and shit, like, oh my God, i triggered the Spam filter? What will my *mother* think? But, overreactions aside, i don't think You did anything wrong. Don't sweat it. There's no jail time involved, so You're fine.

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/24/2011 10:22:56 PM   
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Okay, maybe You're not sweating it. But, still, no jail time. Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 12:37:15 AM   
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Considering how many people on this site have only 1 photo and a 1 sentence long description of themselves in their profiles (or less), how on earth are you supposed to make that determination without actually speaking to someone via PM?

The amusing part here is that you likely hit the spam filter by sending c/p mails to 18-25 y/o 'women' with model pics and nearly nonexistent profiles. Anyone who has been here more than a few weeks can tell you why that is just hilarious.
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And the main reason I message people is to get them to check out my profile.

I did, and will suggest that you stop messaging American 'womyn', unless they indicate that they are into stereotypes and male chauvinism. Hate to tell you, but you are 'that guy' that most female subs avoid, ignore, or report.


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 2:30:55 AM   
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i actually found Your honesty refreshing, if not the views expressed in Your profile. But she's right. Unless You're just trolling for pussy, You'll have better success by pouring more energy into fewer profiles, than by asking scores of girls to come look at Your profile. When i receive that kind of email, i automatically don't take the person seriously.

And how are You supposed to know who You're interested in with so many one sentence profiles? i don't know, maybe *ignore* those profiles and focus on the ones that actually express something about the person that wrote them? That would be one way to tell. The meeting of the person who's to lazy to write a profile and the person who's to lazy to write an email- to me, that meeting doesn't bode well.

Unless, like i said, You're just trolling for pussy.

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 3:08:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gungadin09
i would feel guilty and shit, like, oh my God, i triggered the Spam filter? What will my *mother* think?
pam


Does she have a profile here? 


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 3:24:34 AM   
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If they don't give me enough material to decide if I want to chat with them or not, I don't.


Well, that basically eliminates 90% of the profiles on this site. The few people who actually have multiple photos of themselves and detailed descriptions are likely getting flooded with messages.

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I don't refer people to my profile.  I send them a message that will let them know what I'm like.  If they want to look at my profile after that, then they will.

What kind of message do you send?  "Hey, check out my profile"?


Referring people to my profile lets people know exactly what I'm like and what I have to offer. That's why I do it. I've got a dozen photos uploaded and multiple paragraphs written there for a reason. Seems pointless to have to regurgitate that info via PM's when it's already there for all to see. The types of messages I send depend on what I'm given to work with. I have multiple message templates which I add to or modify to suit the individual recipients. The more info that is in their profile, the more customized my message to them will be. I do take the time to read everyone's profile and journal entries, unless they are filled with pages of poetry or similar nonsense. I'm never going to eschew templates because let's face it: the majority of people whom I contact won't even respond to me. I'm not going to spend hours coming up with creative things to say to people who have yet to even acknowledge my existence. I've already put more effort into my own profile than the vast majority of users on this site, so there it is.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
When I get unsolicited messages to check out someone's profile it's a sure bet that I won't check it out. lol


I don't see why you'd adopt that attitude. It only takes a few seconds to glance at a profile and determine whether a person might be of interest to you. It's just as easy to spot a fake. Sounds like you have a bit of an attitude problem. I look at dozens, sometimes hundreds of profiles everytime I come here and message about half that amount. Again, it doesn't take much time or effort to do this.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
The amusing part here is that you likely hit the spam filter by sending c/p mails to 18-25 y/o 'women' with model pics and nearly nonexistent profiles. Anyone who has been here more than a few weeks can tell you why that is just hilarious.


You don't need to tell me why it's hilarious, I know how to spot obvious fakes and I know that the site is loaded with them. I'm well aware of the statistical reality that the majority of profiles for submissive females ages 18-25 (probably even up to 35) are going to be fakes. It's a numbers game. I'm going to contact lots of people anyway. Many will be fakes. Others will not be interested, and I'll never hear back from them. But I'll still get more responses with this approach than "putting all my eggs in one basket," so to speak.

I rarely contact profiles with model pics. Real photos are one of the first things I look for to determine whether a person is fake or not. I can usually spot this without even entering their profile.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
I did, and will suggest that you stop messaging American 'womyn', unless they indicate that they are into stereotypes and male chauvinism. Hate to tell you, but you are 'that guy' that most female subs avoid, ignore, or report.


I doubt that. What is female submission if not the embodiment of a male chauvinist philosophy?
I'm not sure how any females can claim with a straight face that they want a man to humiliate, dehumanize, objectify, own and degrade them, etc...and still claim to have a conventional (non-exploitative) view of sexual relationships. Newsflash: The types of men who do those kinds of things are male chauvinists, practically by definition. Yes, there are some highly unrealistic people on this site who want someone to alternately beat them and then act like prince charming. The majority of those people are wimmin, which leads me to my next point:

Stereotypes exist because they have validity to them. They're also called empirical generalizations, and they form the basis for nearly all knowledge in the social sciences.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09
i actually found Your honesty refreshing, if not the views expressed in Your profile. But she's right. Unless You're just trolling for pussy, You'll have better success by pouring more energy into fewer profiles, than by asking scores of girls to come look at Your profile. When i receive that kind of email, i automatically don't take the person seriously.

And how are You supposed to know who You're interested in with so many one sentence profiles? i don't know, maybe *ignore* those profiles and focus on the ones that actually express something about the person that wrote them? That would be one way to tell. The meeting of the person who's to lazy to write a profile and the person who's to lazy to write an email- to me, that meeting doesn't bode well.

Unless, like i said, You're just trolling for pussy.

pam


When I actually come across profiles that reflect as much effort as I've put into my own then I have no problem pouring more energy into my messages. The problem is that those kinds of profiles are only about 1 in 30 on this site. You never really know for sure who's a faker or a scammer. You can say that the 18 year old girl with only 1 photo and a short profile description is probably fake, but who knows? Maybe she simply wasn't able to articulate her needs very well - not an unlikely scenario for an 18 year old. You never know who's really on the other end and even if you get a "real" person, that's no guarantee that they're going to be serious about doing anything besides chatting online. So screw it, I'll just keep sending messages to those profiles which I think have a chance of being real. Let the cards fall where they may.

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 3:36:48 AM   
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I doubt that. What is female submission if not the embodiment of a male chauvinist philosophy?

Choice. Not all of us are happy being in charge all the time, if we were more people would own their own business instead of working for others.

I'm not sure how any females can claim with a straight face that they want a man to humiliate, dehumanize, objectify, own and degrade them, etc...and still claim to have a conventional (non-exploitative) view of sexual relationships. Newsflash: The types of men who do those kinds of things are male chauvinists, practically by definition. Yes, there are some highly unrealistic people on this site who want someone to alternately beat them and then act like prince charming.

By no means, many of us are with men who value us greatly including for our matching desires in activities. Plus not all of us are into degradation. Being owned and objectified can be very powerful for us, that's part of why it's called power exchange.


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 4:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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i would feel guilty and shit, like, oh my God, i triggered the Spam filter? What will my *mother* think?


Does she have a profile here? 


No, but i assume she would see the wanted poster at the post office, and then she'd be pissed.

pam


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 5:24:16 AM   
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Newsflash: The types of men who do those kinds of things are male chauvinists, practically by definition.

Well that's certainly a...limited view of how relationships can look. You've kind of missed what drives a lot of people, but that's your problem and nothing to do with this thread.

As for messages: I've always thought that a two-line profile is a pretty clear signal, saying 'I do not want to strike up a conversation with whoever happens to be reading this'. If people want unsolicited mail, they put information in their profile for people to respond to. If they don't - because they're just here to look, or they want to do the searching themselves - then they leave it blank (or fill in the bare minimum to stop people flooding them with 'why doesn't your profile say anything?' messages).

I always figure it's kind of rude of people to disregard that signal and spam them. I mean, it takes all of five minutes to write about your hobbies or your kinks or your favourite flavour of ice cream - if they wanted to give you a way into conversation they would. But they haven't. Think of the spam filter as the management stepping in so that they don't have to deal with you ignoring their signal - like the good kind of bouncer (and I really appreciate good bouncers).

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 5:50:21 AM   
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wow this conversation has gone somewhere WEIRD has it not? =p

1) if i get an unsolicited message, i actually DO check out the profile that sent it, to see how i should approach talking with the person. i am actually pretty social even though i'm VERY shy in person (you'd never think it with all the gabbing i do here haha) so i like talking to people, but if there's nothing in common, which i do a quick profile sweep to help me determine, then there's a different way of approaching that for me.

2) Aderious's assumptions about why people do what they do -- well they are true for SOME people, but not for all. sure, there are loads of people who get into kink to satisfy chauvinistic or even racist ideas. There's a profile here of a guy who only wants black slaves because he believes he is superior to them and is supposed to own them. =p There are plenty of people who say "I believe a woman is never really alive until submitting to a man." there are plenty of OTHER people who believe there is no such thing as a Female Dominant because no female is really dominant at all -- that's a very chauvinistic idea. So for anyone to deny that chauvinism or some other negative thing is the motivator for a good chunk of the kinky population, well i'd say that's very short-sighted.
Aderious is wrong, though, to assume that ALL men into D/s are also chauvinists. My late M was the least chauvinistic male I ever met in my entire life. I grew up in an old fashioned family where women WERE expected to be happy with being second class and tending to all the whims and desires of the guys -- M simply wanted to own me, not "own a female." my femaleness was only necessary because he was male and straight and he liked sex. =p haha But he knew ME as a person, not as "this female who i own, who will only do female things, because her place is in the home." =p
I don't believe in gender-based superiority and neither did he. It's one thing to acknowledge generic differences between the sexes; they DO exist. But they do not determine the worth of an M over an F. For us, the power exchange was simply about living out the truth of who we were, deeper down than gender.
Gender is just as artificial as high fructose corn syrup. =p it's a construct of culture, not anything we're really born with. for M and me, the power exchange was far more honest than to simply rely on gender.

You have not met every Dominant man in the world. Therefore you have absolutely no business speaking about the motivations of every Dominant man in the world. You just make yourself look silly to even try -- especially to those who DON'T fit your paradigm, and there are quite a few.



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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 5:58:02 AM   
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I send anywhere between how busy i am between 10 to 100 messages a in a few short hours between friends or various exchanges, so you either have to be sending a LOT MORE messages, or many people are tagging your messages as spam because they feel it doesnt apply to the.

I Mark all messages that come across that dont apply to me  as spam....IE, Someone looking for poly, someone looking for a prositute, someone requesting an act i have listed as a hard limit, someone whos profile has a hard limit listed as a lives for, someone who doesnt know how to spell, someone who clearly didnt read my profile, someone asking for pictures in the first message and in general something that shows the person sending me a message didnt read my profile or clearly doesnt understand what i seek or want....


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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 6:07:51 AM   
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It's not just quantity, it's similarity - those messages you send out are genuine *communication*, right SR? So they don't get flagged as spam because you treat the people in your life as individuals, and don't say exactly the same thing to all of them. :p

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RE: "Spam Filter Activated. Sending messages is te... - 5/25/2011 6:11:13 AM   
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Actually VC i would say I send about 100 messages a month that say the same exact thing... and still dont get flagged for spam, i think it has to do with how many times your message is reported over how many times you send the same message.

That message: How are you?


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