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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 7:09:20 AM   
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Like to see some African troops if anything hit that ground.....

http://stratsisincite.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/u-s-to-set-up-north-african-military-base-in-algeria/  

I knew about this, but......I sure fuckin hope we don't squaredance down this path. 

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 7:09:27 AM   
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We went it alone in Iraq and Afghanistan???

Revise history much?

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There are some bits of good news. Chief among them is that we're not going it alone, like we did in Iraq redux and Afghanistan.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 8:17:27 AM   
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“He (President Obama) waited too long, there is no doubt in my mind about it. But now, it is what it is,” McCain said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union” taped Friday. “We need now to support him and the efforts that our military are going to make. And I regret that it didn’t – we didn’t act much more quickly, and we could have.”

The ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee said if the United States had acted a couple weeks ago, before the United Nations issued a cease-fire, a no-fly zone “would probably have been enough” to prevent the situation in the African country from deteriorating.

To be honest I don’t see what was so terrible about what McCain said. I personally thought the invasion a bad idea because it would be misinterpreted, especially in the aftermath of the hostility in the Islamic world caused by the US invasion of Iraq but in essence all McCain said was that it should have been done sooner so that Gadfly’s military gains could have been avoided. From my perspective, it is fair to say that if action was to be taken, it could have been taken sooner. The comment about America’s strength seems more to do with his confidence the mission would succeed. He was nuts to involve Palin but generally I like the fact McCain has the ability to put aside narrow party politics such as here where he voices support for Obama now that conflict has been initiated. People on the left and the right have been advocating earlier intervention by the US so I don’t think this can be seen as harm to the republican party given the above.

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What concerns me far more is that the Arab League is starting to waffle already and is acting like they didn't really sign up for this.

True, it should have been clear that enforcing a no fly zone would require some strikes, especially after the gains Gaddafi made, and the continued use of air power after he declared a ceasefire but judging by the League's criticism, they are acting as if all civilian casualties could have been avoided. I think the Arab League is playing politics, perhaps out of necessity. They may have a concern that the coalition forces will go further than enforce a no fly zone, in which it may begin to resemble Iraq Redux to many Muslims in the region. This could have a big effect on the popularity of League members because in time they could be increasingly seen as pro-West, which would further destabilise the region and play into the hands of extremist regimes like Iran that have criticised them as thus in the past. There seems a lot to loose especially given present instability thoughtout the ME.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 8:38:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		What invasion?Perhaps someone should alert the media.....seems we have invaded Libya and the mainstream media has not reported it yet.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 8:39:45 AM   
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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 8:57:55 AM   
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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:01:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
What invasion?Perhaps someone should alert the media.....seems we have invaded Libya and the mainstream media has not reported it yet.


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You think Anax is privy to ingormation the rest of us can not find?

All apologies, "invasion" was clearly a poor choice of words so its a bit nitpicky to make a fuss of it although asserting a no fly zone does require the destruction of a good deal of infastructure in sovereign territory so Gaddafi's friends could call it that. Regardless the point is still the same - the campaign could be prolonged and may require ground troops depending on whether the coalition seeks regime change, despite their assertions to the contrary.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:07:50 PM   
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To be honest, I wonder about those who are in such favor of this campaign, and those complaining that Obama did not move fast enough.

Would you be so willing if this was happening on US soil, if the rebels were americans, and they were seeking to overthrow our government?

Before you start snapping about how it would never happen... think Tea Party.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:20:02 PM   
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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:22:36 PM   
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Well, one of us had to ask and I got tired of waiting for you to do it!

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:27:23 PM   
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Whats the point? its like shooting fish in a barrel.
But yanno I love to watch them try, its sad how I get my kicks lately, but hey , its just a phase  until the next election:)



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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:27:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm having a hard time picturing the USA finding itself in the similar situation necessary to make that analogy work Tazz....suffering under the heel of a brutal dictator....the military firing on our own citizens.....nope I don't see it.Perhaps its all of those elections and peaceful transfers of power that is making it difficult.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:29:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The possibility still exists. We had a revolution on our soil once before. We had a civil war. This isnt so far out of the realm of possibilities.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:33:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		"the possibility still exists".....perhaps.....I'm sure there is a possibility the sun won't rise tomorrow.I'm just having a hard time seeing how all the dots needing to connect...might possibly connect.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:36:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I can see your point. We just have to disagree on that point. Now, go with the flow. Would the argument still hold true that we are so eager to fly into another country and take up their fights... would we feel the same if this was.. say.. Russia.. doing the same on US soil?

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:50:54 PM   
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We aren't going to defend McCain. Why do you think conservatives call him Juan McAmnesty? Why do you think half the conservatives wouldn't vote for him? The only reason he was nominated is because he still had enough senior citizens left that were brainwashed and believed everything he said. He basically told the people in Michigan that NAFTA was a done deal, and those good paying manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. While Obama was telling people we need to at least renegotiate NAFTA. It's no surprise Obama defeated an old man. To be honest, the democrats could have ran Alfred E Neumann and still won. I'm still waiting for Obama to do something about it. Oh wait, he did allow Mexican trucks to begin crossing the border, so I guess he knows what he is doing????

McCain also convinced a lot of people that we can't round up and deport 10 million Illegal aliens so we have no choice but to give them another amnesty. When in reality, we aren't demanding mass deportations. We are simply demanding that American jobs be protected with the everify system. Most of them will self deport when they can no longer find a job, and the rest we can deport as we catch up to them.



I'm curious.

Why do you think so many conservatives keep turning on their own, and how do you think that will benefit the Republican Party?

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:52:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought the possibility was there, I still do but not as strong now since november.
Im happy about that, but I never underestimate the ignorant , the fearful and the paranoid.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:55:29 PM   
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I thought the possibility was there, I still do but not as strong now since november.
Im happy about that, but I never underestimate the ignorant , the fearful and the paranoid.


Exactly how I feel.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 1:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

To be fair to the idiot: imprimus, he was a "My Lovely Horse" candidate the Repukes dredged out of the bottom of the barrel as they didn't want to be left carrying the can for wrecking the global economy if they won in 2008, and secundus, he wanted Leiberman as his VP nominee, and went off in a sulking fit when he was saddled with caribou Barbie by his party instead.



Moon, this is one of those (many) times when your ignorance of the realities in my country are just stunning. Deals were made with McCain years in advance, and strings were pulled and buttons pushed, well into the primaries. Not much different, in some ways, from it being the enemies the Clintons made while he was in office, coming back to bite them in the ass, and put Obama over the top for the Dem. nomination.


What a bunch of bullshit!!!!!

Show us some facts Richie.

Or are you privy to secret intelligence that might get you killed if you told us?


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:01:25 PM   
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I thought the possibility was there, I still do but not as strong now since november.
Im happy about that, but I never underestimate the ignorant , the fearful and the paranoid.


Exactly how I feel.

I knew there was a reason I adore you!!


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