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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:02:43 PM   
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Ok, I can see your point. We just have to disagree on that point. Now, go with the flow. Would the argument still hold true that we are so eager to fly into another country and take up their fights... would we feel the same if this was.. say.. Russia.. doing the same on US soil?
You seem to be disregarding the fact that the "rebels" here asked the international community,us specifically for aid.A small,but significant fact Iwould think(sorry to be raining all over your little exercise tazz....but I just thought one of us should mention that fact)


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:02:43 PM   
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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:05:35 PM   
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You seem to be disregarding the fact that the "rebels" here asked the international community,us specifically for aid.A small,but significant fact Iwould think(sorry to be raining all over your little exercise tazz....but I just thought one of us should mention that fact)


Think that couldnt happen here? I mean, honestly. The US isnt in a love relationship with the rest of the world. There are enough countries, albeit small ones, who would love to watch a civil war rise up here once again.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:11:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tazz....all things are possible,,,few of the things you are hypothesizing are probable.So I am having just a tad little problem "imagining" these fanciful developments.
Not saying they couldn't happen...just that I don't know how I would feel in a world turned so upside down.How do I know whether or not I would be one of the ones behind a barricade praying for international intervention?
You pose a question asking how I would feel if it were the US...well since my sympathies,at present,are with the rebels...and I applaud the International imposition of a NFZ.....I guess the short answer would have to be....."Hello Chairman,do you think you could help us?"


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:23:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		My sympathies are with the rebels there as well.

Thats not what I am asking.

Remember, these people have been lied too repeatedly, told we are invading and that the rebels are terrorists.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:49:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		So your question is actually how would I feel if I was a Libyan....who still believes the Qaddafi's line of bullshit...and has somehow been able to keep my eyes closed to the atrocities happening in my own country ?
Sorry...I can not bring myself to imagine myself so blind, ignorant and dumb to what was going on around me
By the way...that isn't the same question as....."what if it were happening here ?"


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:52:31 PM   
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Sorry...I can not bring myself to imagine myself so blind, ignorant and dumb to what was going on around me


We only know what we are told, even in this country, mike. OUR saving grace is the internet.

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By the way...that isn't the same question as....."what if it were happening here ?"


You rephrased the question, I didnt. My original question, as you stated, still applies.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 2:52:46 PM   
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Ok, I can see your point. We just have to disagree on that point. Now, go with the flow. Would the argument still hold true that we are so eager to fly into another country and take up their fights... would we feel the same if this was.. say.. Russia.. doing the same on US soil?
You seem to be disregarding the fact that the "rebels" here asked the international community,us specifically for aid.A small,but significant fact Iwould think(sorry to be raining all over your little exercise tazz....but I just thought one of us should mention that fact)



Maybe it's better sometimes just to say no.

Mike, you and many others on here, and many in the government, are seeing this as something that will be quick and easy.

Reminiscent of the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz view on Iraq.

I fear it won't be, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us putting troops on the ground.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see the analogy to Iraq RML.That was an invasion....and one based on lies(WMD)...we weren't asked for help,there was no populist uprising.....et al.It just doesn't wash RML...we don't have at this time,and there are no plans to do so in the future,boots on the ground.
Do you hear the drums beating for war.....I don't.Not from this Administration...not from the media...and certainly not from the public at large
I just don't see it.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:09:09 PM   
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To be honest, I wonder about those who are in such favor of this campaign, and those complaining that Obama did not move fast enough.

Would you be so willing if this was happening on US soil, if the rebels were americans, and they were seeking to overthrow our government?

Before you start snapping about how it would never happen... think Tea Party.
Sorry tazz...here is your original question...You specifically ask about an overthrow of our gov't....in your latest version of this question you phrase it as if we are under some sort of Libyan like gov't.
I'm not trying to split hairs....but it does seem as if the question has changed.....and changed a hell of a lot.


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:11:33 PM   
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I don't see the analogy to Iraq RML.That was an invasion....and one based on lies(WMD)...we weren't asked for help,there was no populist uprising.....et al.It just doesn't wash RML...we don't have at this time,and there are no plans to do so in the future,boots on the ground.
Do you hear the drums beating for war.....I don't.Not from this Administration...not from the media...and certainly not from the public at large
I just don't see it.



I see it right here in your post.

What happens when the no-fly zone and the missile strikes are not enough?

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:15:47 PM   
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To be honest, I wonder about those who are in such favor of this campaign, and those complaining that Obama did not move fast enough.

Would you be so willing if this was happening on US soil, if the rebels were americans, and they were seeking to overthrow our government?

Before you start snapping about how it would never happen... think Tea Party.
Sorry tazz...here is your original question...You specifically ask about an overthrow of our gov't....in your latest version of this question you phrase it as if we are under some sort of Libyan like gov't.
I'm not trying to split hairs....but it does seem as if the question has changed.....and changed a hell of a lot.




Sorry mike, no i didnt. I merely said...

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Remember, these people have been lied too repeatedly, told we are invading and that the rebels are terrorists.


You mentioned the rebels in the post I responded too...

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Not saying they couldn't happen...just that I don't know how I would feel in a world turned so upside down.How do I know whether or not I would be one of the ones behind a barricade praying for international intervention?
You pose a question asking how I would feel if it were the US...well since my sympathies,at present,are with the rebels...and I applaud the International imposition of a NFZ.....I guess the short answer would have to be....."Hello Chairman,do you think you could help us?"


I never once rephrased my question.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:17:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why are you so sure it won't be enough ?
Absent intervention by it's military Egypt toppled it's gov't......why is it written in the stars that Qaddafi will survive if he is stripped of his Air Force?
In addition,because I don't see it....please explain to me how and what you see in my post(that I don't see)?


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:17:37 PM   
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.............................True, it should have been clear that enforcing a no fly zone would require some strikes, especially after the gains Gaddafi made, and the continued use of air power after he declared a ceasefire but judging by the League's criticism, they are acting as if all civilian casualties could have been avoided. I think the Arab League is playing politics, perhaps out of necessity. ...................


SoD Gates made that clear on March 2nd. I think the person that said we fell into a trap of carrying the AL's water might have some truth to it (I'm glad that the rebels were not destroyed). The most pressing thing now is a long term strategy for not providing any more military help than necessary.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/147003-gates-libyan-no-fly-zone-would-mean-widespread-air-strikes

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:22:23 PM   
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~FR

To be honest, I wonder about those who are in such favor of this campaign, and those complaining that Obama did not move fast enough.

Would you be so willing if this was happening on US soil, if the rebels were americans, and they were seeking to overthrow our government?

Before you start snapping about how it would never happen... think Tea Party.
Sorry tazz...here is your original question...You specifically ask about an overthrow of our gov't....in your latest version of this question you phrase it as if we are under some sort of Libyan like gov't.
I'm not trying to split hairs....but it does seem as if the question has changed.....and changed a hell of a lot.




Sorry mike, no i didnt. I merely said...

quote:

Remember, these people have been lied too repeatedly, told we are invading and that the rebels are terrorists.


You mentioned the rebels in the post I responded too...

quote:

Not saying they couldn't happen...just that I don't know how I would feel in a world turned so upside down.How do I know whether or not I would be one of the ones behind a barricade praying for international intervention?
You pose a question asking how I would feel if it were the US...well since my sympathies,at present,are with the rebels...and I applaud the International imposition of a NFZ.....I guess the short answer would have to be....."Hello Chairman,do you think you could help us?"


I never once rephrased my question.
This is a rare instance indeed...you and I are,for some reason or another,seemingly unable to understand each other.
Seeing as it is indeed rare...I have decided to give you a pass here...and forgive you your transgression against logic,reason and most importantly myself.
You are hereby forgiven...go forth and sin no more


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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:44:13 PM   
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Seeing as it is indeed rare...I have decided to give you a pass here...and forgive you your transgression against logic,reason and most importantly myself.
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Oh come on, mike! You didnt really think you would get off that easily, did you?

You misunderstood what my post referred too. And that I can accept. Im surprised that you cant admit you misunderstood it. Its no big deal, honestly.

We are striking a country that, at least some of the population, believes they are being invaded by terrorists.

Do I think we shouldnt have done it? Nope. I think Obama was correct in waiting, even though the Arab League is now trying to back peddal... go figure.

There are many who have complained he waited far too long. IF this was our country, how long would we want another country to wait?

Lets say the Tea Party did rise up and tried to overtake our government.. yeah.. far fetched.. but just play along.

The Tea Party speaks a good game. We dont all agree with them. (The equivelent of Libya.. and probably the end of the likeness)

Some people there like the idiot in charge. We dont always like OUR idiot in charge. WE are often lied too. I cant help but feel for both sides of the issue there.

And I cant help but feel I certainly wouldnt want another country bombing the US.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 3:58:22 PM   
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Seeing as it is indeed rare...I have decided to give you a pass here...and forgive you your transgression against logic,reason and most importantly myself.
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Oh come on, mike! You didnt really think you would get off that easily, did you?

You misunderstood what my post referred too. And that I can accept. Im surprised that you cant admit you misunderstood it. Its no big deal, honestly.

We are striking a country that, at least some of the population, believes they are being invaded by terrorists.
While a large portion of the country has asked for international aid....plus the man himself has a long history of evil deeds(a previous President might even refer to him as a "evil-doer)

Do I think we shouldnt have done it? Nope. I think Obama was correct in waiting, even though the Arab League is now trying to back peddal... go figure.
The Arab League is now back peddling from their back peddle...again go figure.
And as it has been pointed out...it was made clear to all that would listen what prosecuting a no fly zone entailed...so their 180 doesn't faze me.

There are many who have complained he waited far too long. IF this was our country, how long would we want another country to wait?
Here we are again....If this were our country...and a large segment of the polulation was in revolt against the might of the military.....and that military was being used indiscriminately against my fellow citizensI would hope the international community would act in a timely manner .

Lets say the Tea Party did rise up and tried to overtake our government.. yeah.. far fetched.. but just play along.
Well...if its the tea party....than I'm on the side of the freely elected gov't

The Tea Party speaks a good game. We dont all agree with them. (The equivelent of Libya.. and probably the end of the likeness)

Some people there like the idiot in charge. We dont always like OUR idiot in charge. WE are often lied too. I cant help but feel for both sides of the issue there.
While this supposition thing is all fun and all...you still haven't,even hypothetically gotten past that whole....lawfully,freely elected gov't thing.And that is the problem with your hypothesis.
sorry tazz.....my imagination only goes so far.

And I cant help but feel I certainly wouldn't want another country bombing the US.
No dispute about the misunderstanding (though I suspect we disagree on who was at fault there...I contend you weren't clear..you are surprised I didn't get it...fair enough.Sort of the definition of a misunderstanding)

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 4:15:10 PM   
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lawfully,freely elected gov't thing.And that is the problem with your hypothesis. sorry tazz.....my imagination only goes so far.


And you could never imagine a politcial coup in this country.. or even a military one. Must be nice.

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 4:22:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		A political coup ? Well shit Tazz...I was alive in 2000(and politically aware).....just kidding....sort of.
A military coup....no Tazzy,not in this country.....though lets run with that.....let's suppose that happened.....why would I be upset if other countries came along and helped me and my fellow citizens reclaim my country from the bastards that had shredded over 200 years of tradition wherein the military is subservient and swears allegiance and fidelity to their civilian authority?
Thats where your example jumps the rails....in order to imagine it...shit would have to have gone so far around the bend...that I would quite naturally welcome such intervention! 

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RE: McCain puts his foot in it. - 3/21/2011 4:36:49 PM   
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