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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:04:02 AM   
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I dont think leftists ever look nearly so... fanatical as when theyre trying to claim that Iraq is now our 58th state

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So when an imperialist agressor such as the US is in Iraq committing wholesale slaughter on some of them in the process of consuming a large portion of their territory.


That's your christian duty.

I never said anything like what you are smearing me with.  You are laughable and pathetic in your attempts to paint true republicans such as myself with your bomb throwing anarchy you call nutsucking.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:05:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Only one claiming that is you tommierushfelcher, and don't worry, we are laughing at you and not with you.




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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:05:54 AM   
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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:08:18 AM   
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Speaking of imperialist aggressors... how is Obamas 'one more war' war in Libya coming along, mnot?

Have we installed democracy there yet?

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Only one claiming that is you tommierushfelcher, and don't worry, we are laughing at you and not with you.





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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:10:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The nutsuckers have failed on their pledge to america, their promise to america, and they are trying to blame it on carter, they are pathetic shitbreathers.

I am a republican, the better part of these clowns out here are not even Scottish Presbyterian ......well call a spade a spade, Whigs, let alone trying to even emulate a Tory.

Doubledealing is all they have up their sleeves.   

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:15:48 AM   
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Speaking of imperialist aggressors... how is Obamas 'one more war' war in Libya coming along, mnot?

Have we installed democracy there yet?

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Only one claiming that is you tommierushfelcher, and don't worry, we are laughing at you and not with you.






I don't know, springsteen, they bombed a palace there, maybe Mo was there, maybe he wasn't, not something a nutsucker could get done.......

The muslim brotherhood trained and armed and financed by Reagan hasnt shown up, nor has there been any confusion over WMDs nor imperialism, nor vital interests, nor has anyone been asleep at the switch and let people drive planes into buildings, nor has the stockmarket crashed, nor has .....well you know all the stupid shit that nutsuckers do that you are so afraid will be worse when reasoned folks actually fix the shit the nutsuckers fuck up.  

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:20:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is rather strange the way the term "conservative" has been usurped by hard right nutcases in your country, now that you mention that. Eisenhower and Heath were conservatives, but I've no idea what these other types are supposed to be (besides fuckwits, obviously...)

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:20:24 AM   
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I hope you hate Newsbusters, mnot

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Howie The Hawk: 'You Can't Stay Out Of These Things'




Call him Howie "The Hawk" Dean . . .


Last evening we detailed Cenk Uygur's hypocrisy in supporting military action in Libya.  This morning brings news of another liberal nouveau-hawk: Howard Dean.   The man who was a scream away from winning the 2004 Dem presidential nomination based on his opposition to the Iraq war suddenly supports a muscular foreign policy.  On Morning Joe, Dean told Joe Klein (who is surprisingly skeptical about President Obama's Libya policy):


"I don't think you stay out of these things. You can't if you're the most powerful country in the world . . . You have to take chances."


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/#ixzz1HQrocMLc


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:21:06 AM   
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What puzzles me is this:
Sanity, FirmhandKy et al seem to be complaining that Obama's policies are the same as Bush's. Now if that was really the case, shouldn't they be delighted that the policies they believe in and have defended so stoutly here are being carried on?

That would appear to me to be the logical case. If Bush, Palin et al were to suddenly convert to being pro-gay marriage, I'd be delighted, not sniping maliciously at their followers.

It looks more and more like Sanity et al know they should be hating Obama, they do hate Obama but have realised, to their horror, they can't find a valid reason to hate Obama without showing their own policies to be discredited failures they were and are.

So, like some punch drunk boxer stumbling around the ring in a daze looking for and throwing wild haymakers at an opponent long gone, they're just lashing out blindly hoping to connect with something ... anything .... anything at all.

Sadly, it's unlikely it will dawn on them that, being the only person in the ring, the only person they can land a punch on is themselves.

Which of our resident far right wing pundits will be the first to knock themselves out? Who will be the first to proclaim: "I cudda bin a contendah"?

Watch this space!

Well, first of all, your version of what I believe and have posted does not comport with what I have actual posted and believe, so all of your characterizations are false.

My main thrust hasn't been to attack Obama, or even support Bush in all of his decisions.  My thrust is that there are a large number of people who protested all of Bush's actions and policies, yet are strangely quiet when Obama adopts the same general (or exact) same policies.

On the issue of the original OP's question about the impeachment of Obama, I've even stated that there are no grounds for it.

On the question of the similarities between the Bush admin's actions in Iraq and Obama admin's actions in Libya, I've not taken a stand.  Primarily because I've not taken the time to dig in deeper, and truly understand all of the issues (although, of course, I do have a "gut reaction", but I like to ensure that my gut and and mind are in sync before I take a stand).

Please refrain from both straw-manning and assuming.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:22:53 AM   
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As have I

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On the issue of the original OP's question about the impeachment of Obama, I've even stated that there are no grounds for it.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 7:32:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have yet to see that, exact same or in general the same....

Nonetheless, Presidents are not likely for what I think to be extremely obvious reasons to magnify or wholesale change the policy of their predecessors, whether those policies are patently illegal, immoral or just plain not at all in the same vein ideologically.

They are moved in increments over time.

And like the young turks in congress are finding out, pressures from every direction, as well as certain tried and true methods and mindsets of doing business in this country have developed, (much to my chagrin mostly) and even with a great deal of backing are nigh impossible to change.

So, in many cases the spirit is willing, and sometimes its a matter of those late night walks thru the whitehouse staring up at pictures of tricky dicky and hearing the ghastly voice, 'Goddammit!!!! You're gonna get us caught; you're gonna get us ALL caught'. 

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 8:19:04 AM   
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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 8:20:41 AM   
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BIDEN FLASHBACK: 'If he gives authorization to war... without Congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!'



On what grounds?

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 8:25:21 AM   
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As have I

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On the issue of the original OP's question about the impeachment of Obama, I've even stated that there are no grounds for it.




I believe you said you agree with the president, some time after your original baiting post (I think it was still on the first page) but it was nebulous, and then you went on baiting with more bullshit, and here we are.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 8:45:20 AM   
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FirmhandKy
[A]ll of your characterizations are false.


On the question of the similarities between the Bush admin's actions in Iraq and Obama admin's actions in Libya, I've not taken a stand.  Primarily because I've not taken the time to dig in deeper, and truly understand all of the issues (although, of course, I do have a "gut reaction", but I like to ensure that my gut and and mind are in sync before I take a stand).

Please refrain from both straw-manning and assuming.


In your post #100 on page 5 this thread*, no less than 4 times you went out of your way to observe that Obama's and Bush's policies are essentially the same.

On that basis I am perfectly entitled to make the assertion I made in my post, which was:
"Sanity, FirmhandKy et al seem to be complaining that Obama's policies are the same as Bush's."

There were no false characterisations, no straw manning, nor any assumptions by me. I took your remarks at face value. I didn't invent your words, your statements or your positions. You did. Own them.


* FirmhandKy's full post can be read at this addy: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3606078/mpage_5/tm.htm

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 9:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh dear god....we are now nigh on 18 pages of Sanity's bullshit thread in which he tries to get those he refers to as "libtards" to take one of two paths he believes he has laid open for them....One repudiate President Obama and his actions...or two admit that their objection to President Bush was based wholly on partisanship.
What the sane one fails to realize,and no amount of rational conversation can convince him of,is that the supposed box he has fashioned.....is made of swiss cheese,with holes a mack truck can drive thru using any of many logical justifications for doing so.
Sanity believes recent events show the duplicity of everyone who does not worship at his particular alter...always failing to understand that the dissent on the left had many justification and levels...and that those of us who did so are in fact intelligent,patriotic citizens of this country....extremely capable in taking each situation as it comes and deciding for themselves how they feel about it.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 9:43:54 AM   
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BIDEN FLASHBACK: 'If he gives authorization to war... without Congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!'



On what grounds?

The Congress does have to approve any declaration of war, to be fair. Of course, not declaring war and then carrying on regardless has been an effective way around that problem since the '80s at least...

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 9:54:53 AM   
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BIDEN FLASHBACK: 'If he gives authorization to war... without Congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!'



On what grounds?

The Congress does have to approve any declaration of war, to be fair. Of course, not declaring war and then carrying on regardless has been an effective way around that problem since the '80s at least...


I dont see any suggestion of a declaration of war by Obama. What I do see is him requesting the running of this opperation to be passed off to NATO.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 9:58:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep. If nothing else, that's a pretty big difference to the chimp's approach to the invasion of Iraq, isn't it?
(That was something that sprang to mind looking at Sanitary's selectively edited quotation, though.)

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/23/2011 9:59:59 AM   
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