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FirmhandKY -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 2:33:05 PM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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FirmhandKy
[A]ll of your characterizations are false.
On the question of the similarities between the Bush admin's actions in Iraq and Obama admin's actions in Libya, I've not taken a stand. Primarily because I've not taken the time to dig in deeper, and truly understand all of the issues (although, of course, I do have a "gut reaction", but I like to ensure that my gut and and mind are in sync before I take a stand).
Please refrain from both straw-manning and assuming.
In your post #100 on page 5 this thread*, no less than 4 times you went out of your way to observe that Obama's and Bush's policies are essentially the same.
On that basis I am perfectly entitled to make the assertion I made in my post, which was:
"Sanity, FirmhandKy et al seem to be complaining that Obama's policies are the same as Bush's."
There were no false characterisations, no straw manning, nor any assumptions by me. I took your remarks at face value. I didn't invent your words, your statements or your positions. You did. Own them.
* FirmhandKy's full post can be read at this addy: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3606078/mpage_5/tm.htm
tweak,
You're a smart poster, but don't let that fact mislead that you can't be mistaken in your interpretation or in the facts.
Reading in context is certainly helpful as well. As a partisan, it is easy for you to "see" things in the way that you are pre-disposed, and not take the time to do an effective evaluation.
In my post 100 (and that's how you do an effective link to a post in a thread, btw), I was specifically talking with mike. Mike and I have a fairly long history, and pretty good understanding. We don't usually jump to conclusions about what the other means, without asking for clarification and carrying on a real conversation.
And I did specifically clarify the issue in a later post to him, in my post 122:
mike,
I wasn't specifically and only trying to draw parallels between Obama's actions in Libya, and Bush's in Iraq. I probably could, but truthfully I've been so busy otherwise that I've not done much of a deep analysis of the situation, and do not really have an opinion one way or the other about the US actions in Libya.
And, I'm not sure that your examples above actually address what Sanity is saying or pointing out. I suspect that if I were interested enough to take your examples on, I would likely be able to shed a different light on them.
I will say that there are plenty of other examples of Obama=Bush that I don't really need to even list them, do I?
However, even a close reading of my original post 100 would allow one to understand my intent, as I said in the second to the last paragraph:
This particular incident (the use of US military forces against a "sovereign nation") simply highlights who the partisans and hypocrites really are.
Understanding that my earlier comments in that post were "in general" and in this later paragraph (cited above) is where I did address this specific incident, but with no valuation or judgment of current US (or Obama's) actions in reference to Libya.
So, basically, you failed to read for understanding. You failed to read in context. You failed to read beyond your biases. And you practiced selective quotation.
Your assumptions and your characterizations are indeed false, and you are indeed straw-manning.
Please refrain from doing these things. And I would request that you put more effort in your observations and comments if you wish to engage in a conversation or debate with me.
Firm
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