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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 4:02:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		And it has been pointed out to you,countless times that "leftists" are not some monolithic group that subscribes en masse to all situations in the same fashion.
Now 20/20 hindsight allows all of us to see that a policy of arming the enemy of our enemies just might not be the right thing to do in all situations.....but Prseident Obama is not ,in this case, arming anyone.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 4:10:53 PM   
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Think.

Our air force is their arms in this case.

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And it has been pointed out to you,countless times that "leftists" are not some monolithic group that subscribes en masse to all situations in the same fashion.
Now 20/20 hindsight allows all of us to see that a policy of arming the enemy of our enemies just might not be the right thing to do in all situations.....but Prseident Obama is not ,in this case, arming anyone.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 4:14:06 PM   
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Support is support, is it not?

You want to split hairs and deliberately miss the point thats on you.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:05:50 PM   
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Think.

Our air force is their arms in this case.

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And it has been pointed out to you,countless times that "leftists" are not some monolithic group that subscribes en masse to all situations in the same fashion.
Now 20/20 hindsight allows all of us to see that a policy of arming the enemy of our enemies just might not be the right thing to do in all situations.....but Prseident Obama is not ,in this case, arming anyone.


We are not giving them the F15 Strike Eagles you twit.
There is no way the above can possibly be anything other than you feigning ignorance due to an indefensible position .No one can be that daft.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:25:24 PM   
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Think.

Our air force is their arms in this case.



Think yourself ( hard as that is )

The UN Mandate authorises force to defend civillians. This includes armour and artillery, since if gadaffi can still slaughter using both.

Obama has stated that the USAF isnt going to become the rebel air force.

No doubt you will use Willburs trick and call me names or add some stupid spin to it.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:27:18 PM   
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Support is support, is it not?

You want to split hairs and deliberately miss the point thats on you.


Defending civillians isnt support, not in most people eyes. Mike isnt splitting hairs since you introduced a second one.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:35:33 PM   
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Thats obviously your own sort of  "trick"

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Think yourself ( hard as that is )

...

No doubt you will use Willburs trick and call me names or add some stupid spin to it.


And youre very clumsy at this game of playing the victim preemptively



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:37:02 PM   
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Obama has said this is about regime change, that "Gaddafi got to go"

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Support is support, is it not?

You want to split hairs and deliberately miss the point thats on you.


Defending civillians isnt support, not in most people eyes. Mike isnt splitting hairs since you introduced a second one.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:38:43 PM   
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Thats obviously your own sort of  "trick"

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Think yourself ( hard as that is )

...

No doubt you will use Willburs trick and call me names or add some stupid spin to it.


And youre very clumsy at this game of playing the victim preemptively


  

Im not pre-empting anything,  as you can see I already pulled you up on the point earlier.

However, I do note that you cant actually refute the facts, so try another avenue.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:40:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		gadaffi has to go is regime change ? I recall you calling it liberation and being okay with it. Dont tell me you have double standards !

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:41:23 PM   
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The facts... are not your strong suite, apparently.

Youre completely unaware that Libya is in the midst of a civil war, and that Obama is protecting and therefore aiding the rebel forces?




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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:46:24 PM   
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How is calling regime change "regime change" in any way staking a position?

Ive been very clear what my position is on this war, if you havent read my words or if cant understand them thats all on you.

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gadaffi has to go is regime change ? I recall you calling it liberation and being okay with it. Dont tell me you have double standards !


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 5:50:20 PM   
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The facts... are not your strong suite, apparently.

Youre completely unaware that Libya is in the midst of a civil war, and that Obama is protecting and therefore aiding the rebel forces?



Finally something to thank you for, a line from a post I can actually use and mean.

"Ive been very clear what my position is on this war, if you havent read my words or if cant understand them thats all on you."

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:01:10 PM   
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(In fact, Kofi Annan was still claiming that it was an illegal act, and that the chimp should have gone through the security council instead of staging a unilateral invasion with his poodle, after the invasion.)

I'm sorry, but you and Ron seem to have a misunderstanding of the differences between international law and Kofi Annan's opinion.

He stated his opinion, but unfortunately for him (and you) his opinion is not supported by the facts.

To illustrate, what legal action was taken to enforce or certify Annan's opinion?

And, I will say, claiming that the unsupported opinion of the kleptocratic responsible for the "Food for Oil" program (among other things) really doesn't look for good for you.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:03:43 PM   
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Go ahead and use it. But if youre going to insinuate Im a hypocrite after your little tirade against name calling you owe it to me and to everyone else to explain just how you think I may be a hypocrite, because the truth is I am extremely consistent.

So do you really believe Im a hypocrite, and if so why. Or are you just engaging in baseless name calling, as I suspect.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:03:45 PM   
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But I could make the argument that "socialist" is a purely descriptive term.

It becomes a pejorative when it is meant as a pejorative. When it becomes commonly accepted as an insult, it becomes difficult to distinguish between a descriptive use, and a pejorative use.

Such as "neo-con", which in common political discussion (on these boards, for example) almost without exception, it is used in the pejorative sense.

Its like how some black people use the "n" word.  It's not insulting when they do it themselves, because it's not meant to be an insult.

If someone wishes to call themselves a "neo-con", then they are making a statement, as are the people who use the "n" word to describe themselves.  Just as "liberals" use the term to describe themselves, and it's not an insult.

If you fling the word "neo-con" in a discussion, however, I would generally interpret it as an intended insult on your part.

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That was an amazingly ridiculous argument.

So if I refer to you as a conservative that is somehow acceptable but neo-conservative is not?

There is nothing more insulting in using the term neo-con than using the term liberal, other than your tender feelings.





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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:14:12 PM   
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Call me names, pretend to be a victim, doesnt matter because support is support. We have taken sides in a civil war in order to affect regime change.

Facts are facts boys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV49AKxuI9Y

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/150675-obamas-military-coalition-for-regime-change-in-libya

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/23/regime_change_libya_109314.html

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/obama%E2%80%99s-imperial-twist-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian%E2%80%9D-regime-change-libya



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We are not giving them the F15 Strike Eagles you twit.
There is no way the above can possibly be anything other than you feigning ignorance due to an indefensible position .No one can be that daft.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:22:02 PM   
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Go ahead and use it. But if youre going to insinuate Im a hypocrite after your little tirade against name calling you owe it to me and to everyone else to explain just how you think I may be a hypocrite, because the truth is I am extremely consistent.

So do you really believe Im a hypocrite, and if so why. Or are you just engaging in baseless name calling, as I suspect.



The line of yours I used was about not understanding peoples post, not about hypocrites.

While we are at it though, do you not think it is hypocritical to suggest Bush was right in Iraq, and now suggest Obama isnt ?  Seems to me your view changed with your President.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:36:47 PM   
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Youre mistaken because I havent decided whether the act itself of affecting regime change in Libya is right or wrong because I simply do not know, and Ive written that repeatedly.

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The line of yours I used was about not understanding peoples post, not about hypocrites.

While we are at it though, do you not think it is hypocritical to suggest Bush was right in Iraq, and now suggest Obama isnt ?  Seems to me your view changed with your President.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/24/2011 6:41:17 PM   
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Ive also written that Bush was very clear what the mission in Iraq was, and that he was doggedly determined to see Democracy result from our endeavors there. In Libya, were apparently just supporting whoever it is that can muscle their way to the top, be they al-Qaeda or Iranian allied Shiites or even possibly Democracy minded rebels.

Ive criticized certain aspects of the decision making process and Obamas lack of leadership but as to your allegation that Ive ever supported regime change purely for the sake of regime change youre badly mistaken.





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