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Say a group of rebels didnt like the government in this country, and some foreign powers were helping them affect regime change. Would you not consider that a state of war, or an act of war?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Say a group of rebels didnt like the government in this country, and some foreign powers were helping them affect regime change. Would you not consider that a state of war, or an act of war?

Thats the same argument I proposed earlier, Sanity. All I got back was... that wouldnt happen here... and only mike responded.

But, I have the guts to respond. If that happened here, no I would not be happy.

But, it has happened here. Civil War, if I remember my history correctly. British soilders manned many blockade runners.

Its been said those in Tripoli side with Gaddafi because all they have been told is that the attacks are being made by terrorists and outside forces. Do they even know their own citizens are the uprising? I doubt it.

I am not trying to make excuses for either side. Its a no-win situation all around.

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MCDONOUGH: -- as it relates to the specific question, Wolf, we're not setting out with a policy of regime change here. We set out a very defined goal here, which is we would shape the environment and enable our international partners to take over the no-fly zone. We're on the verge of doing that.

Importantly, over the last couple of days --

BLITZER: Wait, hold on. Hold on, Denis. I'm sorry for interrupting, but you just said something.

You said there's -- it's not a policy of regime change.

MCDONOUGH: Correct.

BLITZER: But how many times has the president said over the past few weeks, Gadhafi must go?

MCDONOUGH: Well, I haven't counted, Wolf. Maybe you have. But he has been very --

BLITZER: At least a dozen.

MCDONOUGH: Well, I'd take your word for it, as I always do.

BLITZER: But doesn't that mean regime change if Gadhafi must go?

MCDONOUGH: Well, I think you asked -- you're kind of asking a couple of different questions now, Wolf.

You asked whether it was an acceptable outcome. And what we've said is we've set out a very specific goal for our forces, an accomplishable task, which, incidentally, because of their great performances -- our Marines, our sailors, our airmen, our soldiers -- because of their great efforts, we have turned back the forces from Benghazi and we are on the verge, now, of being able to hand over the conduct of the no-fly zone to our allies.

BLITZER: But must Gadhafi go?

MCDONOUGH: Well, that's going to be a determination for the Libyan people to make, Wolf --

BLITZER: But the president says he must go.

MCDONOUGH: Well, the president -- you know, I'm not going to improve on the good answer that the president gave on this question yesterday, which I know you watched and which was obviously a part of his press conference yesterday --

BLITZER: Is that U.S. policy still, that Gadhafi must go?

MCDONOUGH: Well, the president did outline exactly what our -- our policy view is --

BLITZER: And he said there was a --

MCDONOUGH: -- which is that --

BLITZER: -- he said Gadhafi must go.

MCDONOUGH: Yes. And he explained to you yesterday and I'm explaining to you again today that the mission we've set out, as it relates to this effort over the last several days, has been to shape the environment, to be able to bring along the international allies so that it's not just our troops and not just our taxpayers who are carrying out these efforts and investing their resources, but rather the whole world, because, frankly, this isn't solely our problem, Wolf. This is a problem for the world. And so we're bringing along the Arab League. We're bringing along the U.N. --

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1103/23/sitroom.02.html

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It's interesting how there's all this fuss about Libya, but nothing is being said about the almost equally vile situation in Bahrain. You'd have thought the military attacking civilian dissenters and imprisoning foreign press might attract a bit more attention than it is at the moment.
I wonder if this disparity is anything to do with the fact that Ghadaffi is well established as a bogeyman, while few can even name anybody in Bahrain's government?

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'Al-Qaeda snatched missiles' in Libya

AL-QAEDA'S offshoot in North Africa has snatched surface-to-air missiles from an arsenal in Libya during the civil strife there, Chad's President says.


Idriss Deby Itno did not say how many surface-to-air missiles were stolen, but told the African weekly Jeune Afrique that he was "100 per cent sure" of his assertion.

"The Islamists of al-Qaeda took advantage of the pillaging of arsenals in the rebel zone to acquire arms, including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries in Tenere," a desert region of the Sahara that stretches from northeast Niger to western Chad, Deby said in the interview.


"This is very serious. AQIM is becoming a genuine army, the best equipped in the region," he said.

His claim was echoed by officials in other countries in the region who said that they were worried that al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) might have acquired "heavy weapons", thanks to the insurrection.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/al-qaeda-snatched-missiles-in-libya/story-e6frfku0-1226028543204#ixzz1HkJLJEJ5

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It's interesting how there's all this fuss about Libya, but nothing is being said about the almost equally vile situation in Bahrain. You'd have thought the military attacking civilian dissenters and imprisoning foreign press might attract a bit more attention than it is at the moment.
I wonder if this disparity is anything to do with the fact that Ghadaffi is well established as a bogeyman, while few can even name anybody in Bahrain's government?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I dont know. There are other sources alleging that al-Qaeda is among the rebel forces, however.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I dont know. There are other sources alleging that al-Qaeda is among the rebel forces, however.

Yeppers. Ghadaffi is the most prominent one I know of ... but there may be others ....Who knows? Even possibly some credible ones.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I'd just like to point out that if I said the Kenyan "matriculated," people- dim people- would call me a racist.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Panda,

I made my argument.  It's based on personal expertise and knowledge.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
My argument was simple.  I'll repeat it:

To put it simply, the "cease fire" from the Gulf War was breached by SA many times.  Any one of those breaches was sufficient under international law and UN resolutions to resume the hostilities against Iraq.

As well, SA attempted several other things that were casus bellum under international law: not the least of which was the attempted assassination of the US President.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You can continue to bluster and insult in an attempt to save face, but your normal "yell at 'em so loud and be so mean that they'll shut up" doesn't work with me.  Nor does it garner much respect.

Please rethink your position, and the way you respond.