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isoLadyOwner -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 2:00:13 PM)
One major difference between Iraq and Libya was that the "Decider put on a case for the Iraq War and got the approval of Congress as required under the US Constitution. I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. Both wars are contrary to the interests of the USA but at least the "Decider" claimed there were WMDs and actually followed the law. Obama's Libyan war is not currently legal under the Constitution. Congress will likely let Obama get away with it. Its up to the US voter to remove Obama in 2012, this is a very expensive conflict, a lot of people in this country are unemployed. The following quote is from a Harvard educated Attorney named Barack Obama before he was the President: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." I think he was the President of the Harvard Law Review when he was a student there ...

Lucylastic -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 2:06:24 PM)
How nice of the repubs in power now then making it even tougher for the unemployed, poor and working poor... before this libya crap even started they are making moves to take away even more of their badly needed money...they will just use this clusterfuck to cut more? or do you think they might cut something less important? Give your own citizens a fighting chance FUCK NO

slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 2:17:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner One major difference between Iraq and Libya was that the "Decider put on a case for the Iraq War and got the approval of Congress as required under the US Constitution. I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. Both wars are contrary to the interests of the USA but at least the "Decider" claimed there were WMDs and actually followed the law. Obama's Libyan war is not currently legal under the Constitution. Congress will likely let Obama get away with it. Its up to the US voter to remove Obama in 2012, this is a very expensive conflict, a lot of people in this country are unemployed. The following quote is from a Harvard educated Attorney named Barack Obama before he was the President: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." I think he was the President of the Harvard Law Review when he was a student there ... Let me see if I have this straight...you see the fact that this "Decider" guy(I assume you mean former President Bush)used,what turned out to be false claims of WMD,to justify an invasion ,as making that action more palpable than the current military action? Wow,the contortions those on the right will go thru to justify bullshit.

Moonhead -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 2:20:52 PM)
Still, at least she's admitting that there was faked evidence for WMDs: most of the Republicans have been since claiming that it was about human rights and deposing Hussein because of his lousy record on that all along...

tweakabelle -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 11:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The only consideration among leftists is, who is cic. Does the 'cic' stand for commander-in-chief or is it a typo of 'chic'? Leftists, unable to think for themselves as they are, are notorious for being followers of fashion aren't they? And in certain quarters, Obama is just sooooooo *chic*! [:D]

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 11:10:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The only consideration among leftists is, who is cic. Does the 'cic' stand for commander-in-chief or is it a typo of 'chic'? Leftists, unable to think for themselves as they are, are notorious for being followers of fashion aren't they? And in certain quarters, Obama is just sooooooo *chic*! [:D] Imagine somebody who is so dumb he can't even type CinC. Amazing. Another reason why he's on block.

tweakabelle -> RE: Impeachment? (3/28/2011 11:25:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. isoLadyOwner, you are continuously advancing these claims about theocracies-to-be in the Middle East. You share, with the esteemed Col Ghadaffi, the distinction of being the only people I know of who are convinced the current revolution in Libya will end up in another Islamist theocracy.* I'm sure some very compelling evidence helped persuade you of this sinister Islamist plot. Trouble is, no one else has seen or is aware of the evidence that you find so compelling. So please, share the evidence with us. Or, perhaps, alternatively admit you are making it up. * Both the below claims were made by isoLadyOwner on another Libyan-related thread: "The Libyan Rebels are an armed force very likely to seek a Muslim Theocracy. " "The Libyan Rebels will probably be the next imminent threat to US interests if they take power in Libya. " post # 131 @ http://www.collarchat.com/m_3612866/mpage_7/tm.htm

Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 6:00:49 AM)
Heh... Frick and Frack, what great comedy. Frick is totally unaware that by simply using of Google one can refrain from revealing their ignorance on any given subject to the entire world, and Frack is so afraid of his own shadow he has to run away and hide from anyone whose spelling or grammar choices dont precisely match his own... [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The only consideration among leftists is, who is cic. Does the 'cic' stand for commander-in-chief or is it a typo of 'chic'? Leftists, unable to think for themselves as they are, are notorious for being followers of fashion aren't they? And in certain quarters, Obama is just sooooooo *chic*! [:D] Imagine somebody who is so dumb he can't even type CinC. Amazing. Another reason why he's on block.

Moonhead -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 6:05:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Frick is totally unaware that by simply using of Google one can refrain from revealing their ignorance on any given subject to the entire world... You don't: why should they?

Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 6:26:02 AM)
Again, Google can be your friend, tweaka. When asked about al-Qaeda in Libya and who the Libyan rebels are, there arent any substantive answers coming from the White House, just a lot of double talk. quote: The Future of the US Commitment in Libya & Al Qaeda and the Libyan Rebels: Today's Q's for O's WH TAPPER: So going forward, once the U.S. has fully pulled back to this support role and the civilian protection and no-fly, how many ships, planes and service members will we have -- approximately will we have committed to this effort? DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER DENIS McDONOUGH: I didn't understand the full -- I think like the fourth or fifth word you said when we pull back to this what? TAPPER: “Support.” McDONOUGH: Oh, okay. TAPPER: That's the word you guys have been using, right? McDONOUGH: I just didn't understand -- TAPPER: So when you guys pull back to the support effort, how many ships, planes and servicemembers will you have committed to this? McDONOUGH: I don't have a specific number for you, Jake, but -- TAPPER: Do you have a rough number, an idea? McDONOUGH: I’m sure the Joint Staff does, but I don't have that for you right now. TAPPER: There was a report out of West Point in 2007 about the people going through Syria to get into Iraq to fight U.S. troops, and that report had about a fifth of those going in to fight U.S. troops from Libya. There was also a Libyan opposition group that was affiliated with al Qaeda. And my question is, how concerned is the administration about the possible presence within this broad group of Libyan opposition figures that there are those who fought jihad against the United States in Iraq, or are affiliated with al Qaeda or affiliated groups? WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY JAY CARNEY: Well, Jake, what I'll say is that we have obviously spent a lot of time looking at the opposition in Libya and speaking with opposition leaders. Denis spoke a little bit about that just moments ago. I don't have anything for you on a specific concern. But what we have seen in Libya is something that's national and organic, where, as we’ve seen in other countries, the people of Libya have expressed their desire for greater participation, greater voice in their government, more representation. But beyond that, I don't have anything specific on elements of the opposition that would be of concern. TAPPER: How confident is the President that whatever comes next after regime change happens, assuming it does, which is the stated policy of this White House, that it will be better for the United States and in our interests -- that government? CARNEY: Well, I'll share Denis’ opinion that I don't want to get ahead of the Secretary of State, who, as I think you noted, will be addressing this issue to some degree in London tomorrow. But I will say that in general, this is obviously a situation in the region where there is a lot of unpredictability.** In my opinion it would be supremely foolish to assume there isnt any al-Qaeda in Libya, based on the various reports and based on what we have seen of al-Qaeda in in Iraq. al-Qaeda isnt the obnly problem in the area, either. Another major concern is Iran working to destabilize things and spread their version of revolution... quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. isoLadyOwner, you are continuously advancing these claims about theocracies-to-be in the Middle East. You share, with the esteemed Col Ghadaffi, the distinction of being the only people I know of who are convinced the current revolution in Libya will end up in another Islamist theocracy.* I'm sure some very compelling evidence helped persuade you of this sinister Islamist plot. Trouble is, no one else has seen or is aware of the evidence that you find so compelling. So please, share the evidence with us. Or, perhaps, alternatively admit you are making it up. * Both the below claims were made by isoLadyOwner on another Libyan-related thread: "The Libyan Rebels are an armed force very likely to seek a Muslim Theocracy. " "The Libyan Rebels will probably be the next imminent threat to US interests if they take power in Libya. " post # 131 @ http://www.collarchat.com/m_3612866/mpage_7/tm.htm

rulemylife -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 6:47:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner One major difference between Iraq and Libya was that the "Decider put on a case for the Iraq War and got the approval of Congress as required under the US Constitution. I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. Both wars are contrary to the interests of the USA but at least the "Decider" claimed there were WMDs and actually followed the law. Obama's Libyan war is not currently legal under the Constitution. Congress will likely let Obama get away with it. Its up to the US voter to remove Obama in 2012, this is a very expensive conflict, a lot of people in this country are unemployed. The following quote is from a Harvard educated Attorney named Barack Obama before he was the President: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." I think he was the President of the Harvard Law Review when he was a student there ... While I don't agree with the actions we are taking in Libya, you are making the ridiculous argument that we were justified in going into Iraq because of a claim of WMD's which did not exist.

tweakabelle -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 6:59:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Again, Google can be your friend, tweaka. When asked about al-Qaeda in Libya and who the Libyan rebels are, there arent any substantive answers coming from the White House, just a lot of double talk. In my opinion it would be supremely foolish to assume there isnt any al-Qaeda in Libya, based on the various reports and based on what we have seen of al-Qaeda in in Iraq. al-Qaeda isnt the obnly problem in the area, either. Another major concern is Iran working to destabilize things and spread their version of revolution... Thanks for responding on isoLadyOwner's behalf, Sanity. Your response makes it pretty clear that you have no credible information at all on the Libyan rebels. And the mere fact that you mention a possible Iranian connection suggests that you have little or no knowledge of either Libya, Iran or the relationship between the Sunni and Shi'ite branches of Islam. Which adds up to: You have just given every appearance of not knowing even the most elementary facts about the Islamic world. Can I suggest that, instead of fretting yourself over highly improbable Al Quada and even more improbable Iranian connections, you take a bit of time out to learn the A-B-Cs of the Islamic world? Google could indeed be your friend in this .... tho I would recommend Fisk's 'The Great War for Civilisation" as an excellent introduction text to the area, and Western involvement in it. I'm sure its comprehensive factual coverage of the last century of history in the region will benefit you enormously. So please stop worrying and start learning. Happy reading!

Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:12:32 AM)
Dear tweeka, please read more carefully and try to think things through some prior to posting. The point isnt so much, what does Sanity know about Libya. After all, how important is it that I understand what is going on there (except to you and to moon, mike, mnot, and a few others who spend all their time infatuated with me). The point I raised is, what does the White House know. Theyre not forthcoming with any answers, just a lot of double talk. Questions raised are, who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there? If youre trying to deny that there are nefarious forces at work in the region then you are seriously out of touch with reality.

slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:16:22 AM)
quote: except to you and to moon, mike, mnot, and a few others who spend all their time infatuated with me). quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Dear tweeka, please read more carefully and try to think things through some prior to posting. The point isnt so much, what does Sanity know about Libya. After all, how important is it that I understand what is going on there (except to you and to moon, mike, mnot, and a few others who spend all their time infatuated with me). The point I raised is, what does the White House know. Theyre not forthcoming with any answers, just a lot of double talk. Questions raised are, who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there? If youre trying to deny that there are nefarious forces at work in the region then you are seriously out of touch with reality. The delusion is strong in this one(apologies to G.Lucas)

Moonhead -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:22:09 AM)
As a Howard the Duck fan, I have to amend that, mike: "The Farce is strong in this one..."

Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:22:37 AM)
Its flattering that you follow my posts so closely mike, but can you answer the question? "Who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there?"

Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:24:34 AM)
Its nice that you respond within milliseconds to posts about me Moon, all of this concern and attention over my posts is a tremendous ego boost, and I appreciate it. But can you answer the question - "Who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there?"

tweakabelle -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:25:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Dear tweeka, please read more carefully and try to think things through some prior to posting. The point isnt so much, what does Sanity know about Libya. After all, how important is it that I understand what is going on there (except to you and to moon, mike, mnot, and a few others who spend all their time infatuated with me). The point I raised is, what does the White House know. Theyre not forthcoming with any answers, just a lot of double talk. Questions raised are, who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there? If youre trying to deny that there are nefarious forces at work in the region then you are seriously out of touch with reality. Poor thing you Sanity! I'm concerned about your mental equilibrium, not your apparently total ignorance of Islamic world. You sounded so worried about possible AL Quada and Iranian activities in Libya. Whereas anyone who has the slightest familiarity with the Islamic world knows that this is about as likely as Ghadaffi becoming Pope. The solution to the stresses you tell me you're feeling about things over there lies in knowledge. Finding out for yourself that eg Iranian involvement is a laughable suggestion offers far more assurance that anything that the Kenyan's White House could tell you. Because it seems to be the case that you don't believe a single word that comes from the Kenyan - so how could that possibly set your mind at rest? Do yourself a favour and learn something. Then you will be able to make accurate assessments about some things without relying on the White House, Faux News or any of your current (obviously terribly unreliable) sources. That makes sense doesn't it? And I promise you'll feel so much better too! Win-win! [:D]

Moonhead -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:25:50 AM)
The UN. See? Easy.

rulemylife -> RE: Impeachment? (3/29/2011 7:35:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its flattering that you follow my posts so closely mike, but can you answer the question? "Who is going to take responsibility for the power vacuum we are creating there?" And again I'm going to ask the question that you refuse to respond to. Why were you calling Iraq a "liberation" and not asking this same question about the country we are now bogged down in?

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