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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 3:19:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Nice the way you folks expect that this President should be the first whose actions are at times inconsistent with what was said while running for office.


I never though he would or should be...

But you guys thought he would



slvemike4u -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 3:21:32 PM)

No,as a matter of fact "we" didn't....simply elected the man based on his being the best man available that could possibly win.In other words a better choice than the idiot the Republicans put forth.



TheHeretic -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:32:50 PM)

Calling these comments "campaign promises" is a pretty shallow interpretation.



mnottertail -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:34:05 PM)

So, like the promise to america and contract with america, we should see who sinks a shallower well? 



Moonhead -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:35:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Calling these comments "campaign promises" is a pretty shallow interpretation.

How do you interpret that stuff then?
He came out with all of this lot before he was elected, then immediately started doing the opposite: sounds like a campaign promise to me.



TheHeretic -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:43:20 PM)

This isn't "no tax increases on people making less than $250K," promptly followed by a big tax hike on smokers, regardless of income, Ron.

He was spouting the big idealistic shit here.



Moonhead -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:46:16 PM)

Still waiting for you to demonstrate that these were not electioneering promises, btw.



TheHeretic -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:58:04 PM)

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Still waiting for you to
Don't hold your breath, Moon. I find you quite rude, and see no point in encouraging your participation in discussions where you have nothing to offer.



Moonhead -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 3:59:30 PM)

So you've got nothing then. Thought so.



rulemylife -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 4:27:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

He's the one that promised a different standard, not me.




What this underlines, Fats, is just what a clueless wonder he was during the campaign, and just how low and slow his learning curve has been in office. Time and again he comes face to face with the realities, and discovers that not only does he lack the courage of his convictions, but that his convictions were based on a bunch of wrong-headed assumptions to begin with.

God help us all, as the consequences of his foolishness come back around.


Would that be anything like the little rich boy who got us involved in two protracted wars and the worst recession since the Depression?



domiguy -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 4:41:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

The War Powers Resolution allows such actions when following UN sanctions or actions.



Quote please.


Here is a quote for you.

Domiguy said, "Racist Jim is a piece of crap"



popeye1250 -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 4:44:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

He's the one that promised a different standard, not me.




What this underlines, Fats, is just what a clueless wonder he was during the campaign, and just how low and slow his learning curve has been in office. Time and again he comes face to face with the realities, and discovers that not only does he lack the courage of his convictions, but that his convictions were based on a bunch of wrong-headed assumptions to begin with.

God help us all, as the consequences of his foolishness come back around.


Would that be anything like the little rich boy who got us involved in two protracted wars and the worst recession since the Depression?




Rule, yes it would. The little rich kid (from Connecticut not "Texas") was wrong and Obama should know better! Two wrongs don't make a right. And we don't need a "hat trick" with three wrongs!
With our finances in shambles what's Obama's next Nobel Peace prize going to be for, "Economics?"



Sanity -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 4:44:47 PM)


Here is some ripe fruit - how dare we expect Obama to maintain higher standards than Dick Nixon did? [:D]

Gotta love those far left logic trains.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

All the talk of hypocrisy is particularly cute, given the huge number of Republican presidents who've never once compromised an election promise in office. It isn't like Nixon, Ford, Raygun, the literate Bush or the chimp ever told a fib in office, after all....



domiguy -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military At (3/27/2011 4:51:06 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110326/pl_ac/8145528_obama_defends_libya_actions_with_war_powers_resolution


This is the best explanation. The President is the man.



rulemylife -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 5:04:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule, yes it would. The little rich kid (from Connecticut not "Texas") was wrong and Obama should know better! Two wrongs don't make a right. And we don't need a "hat trick" with three wrongs!
With our finances in shambles what's Obama's next Nobel Peace prize going to be for, "Economics?"


For once Popeye, I agree with you.

We should not be involving ourselves in Libya.

My problem is with the people that wholeheartedly supported Bush's wars but have suddenly decided that we shouldn't be interfering in another country's business.



TheHeretic -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 5:06:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Would that be anything like the little rich boy who got us involved in two protracted wars and the worst recession since the Depression?




Again, RML. Are you now taking the position that there is no difference between President Obama, and President Bush, and that there never was?



cuckoldmepls -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 5:24:03 PM)

The only difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama has spent more money than he did, and in fact, has spent more money than the entire costs of the Iraq war. Basically, by electing Obama you simply supercharged Bush policies. If you can't see that you are living in fantasy land. Obama is a United Nations puppet. If the United Nations wants it done, Obama is their point man. In fact, he thought it was more important  to seek the approval of the United Nations than it was to seek approval from Congress before attacking Libya for no reason other than other countries encouraged him, and he decided Al Qaeda needed to expand in Libya. Yes, Al qaeda is alive and well in that country.

Has he even read the Constitution? The U.N. doesn't even exist in the Constitution and therefore they have no authority over us, and they sure as hell don't have the authority to tell Congress when it's time to go to war.

You need to learn your facts on the mortgage crisis too. Bush warned Congress years in advance about the impending crisis, but Congress did nothing. As far as the two wars we entered into with the approval of Congress, the first was completely justified since we were attacked and the Taliban refused to do anything about Al Qaeda, and the 2nd one ws the result of bad intelligecne intentionally disseminated by Saddam Hussein himself.

A President can only based his decisions on intelligence. Besides, I think most people agree that the world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein and his boys threatening to invade their neighbors. Saudi Arabia would have been next if we had not intervened in the first Gulf war.





Sanity -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 5:31:33 PM)


Bush engaged al-Qaeda in Iraq after removing the existing power structure there. Bush was in it for the long haul, and he was adamant about that. Are we in Libya for the long haul? Once we break it will Obama own it, just like Bush assumed ownership of Iraq?

Yes? No?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
For once Popeye, I agree with you.

We should not be involving ourselves in Libya.

My problem is with the people that wholeheartedly supported Bush's wars but have suddenly decided that we shouldn't be interfering in another country's business.




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 5:43:40 PM)

Were you addressing that to me, Cucko?



rulemylife -> RE: Obama: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack (3/27/2011 7:56:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Would that be anything like the little rich boy who got us involved in two protracted wars and the worst recession since the Depression?




Again, RML. Are you now taking the position that there is no difference between President Obama, and President Bush, and that there never was?


Again Richie, you are trying to start an argument but failing to specify what you are arguing about.

From what you have said I gather that that Bush was right and Obama is wrong, even though the situations in Iraq and Libya are virtually identical.



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