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Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography makes wo... - 5/6/2006 11:53:56 PM   
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How many times have we all heard these comments? From the time we are small children this is pounded into our heads until most adults repeat it through rote memorization, (while contemplating their “stash” of porn under their bed). Do most ever consider these claims and evaluate them for any semblance of logic or reasoning? Not in my experience. Usually they are too concerned with being politically correct to allow even a touch of common sense to infiltrate their alcohol saturated brains.
By saying that the existence of photos of nude women is demeaning to females is in effect saying that a woman’s body is something to be ashamed of. If this were true, why do most women obsess over trying to make their butts and breasts look like those of porn stars, and why do most men think of nothing else? Yes I know, many women will tell you that they do it for themselves, their own admiration and sense of self. Yet at a moments notice they will be wearing a thong or “showing their tits” to a group of guys and loving every minute of it.
It amazes me that a woman who wields her feminine attributes over a man, will get him called pussy whipped by his friends and they all love it. How can she do this? By using his desire to “tap that ass” to get him to do what she wants. Shallow? Sure. Effective? You bet your ass. Yet if this same woman takes it a step further and uses her body to provide for herself and her family, she is a “sleazy slut ho bag”.
If a sexually empowered woman, of her own volition, does any form of adult entertainment, how can this be demeaning? She is essentially self employed. She will make very good money. She is working towards being in control of her own destiny. She has the body, confidence and attitude that most men find attractive, and some women are jealous of. What’s the downside?
The same as how a person can only be bullied if they allow it to happen, one can be “objectified” only if they allow it to happen. I consider a sexual progressive woman to be a “sexual being” and not a sexual object. To imply that a woman who poses nude or performs on film nude is being reduced to an “object” speaks only to the ignorant complainant. If a woman in the corporate world is well known for her great intelligence does that reduce her to a “thought object”? Or perhaps her affinity is in woman’s sports, does that make her a “jockette object? Women (as an individual and as a whole, a group and a species) need to fight to be accepted on any and all levels. If that acceptance is through her career working with the “stuffed shirt crowd” or by being “stuffed in front of a crowd” she should not be dismissed or minimized by her choice.
At this point in time the groups and organizations that are supposed to be defending women and speaking out on their behalf are failing dismally. The main “roadblock” in what’s left of the women’s liberation movement is women ourselves. By continually trying to compare and live up to the “good old boys” standards we are selling our selves short, and selling out. I believe the original intent should have been personal autonomy and choice, not to “clone” ourselves after men and then get into a pissing contest to prove we are equal. We are, and then some. Physical attributes should not be discounted in an effort to “equalize” our selves to men. Many male athletes with minimal true talent make a ridicules amount of money due to their physical size. Women with certain “assets” should not be demeaned by other women due to a confused path of what is progress for all women. Those that wish to pattern their lives to meld with the “white collar geeks” of the world should not get all fucking uppity with those that select a different route.
There often seems to be an associative equation with adult erotica performers that depicts the females with somehow being demeaned. Let me be the first to clarify demeaning to you from a working class standpoint. For example we will use “Tessa” a single (or divorced) mother in her early twenties with a small child. The “sorry ass bastard” she hooked up with has abandoned her. She lives in a one bedroom overpriced and severely dilapidated apartment. She has a car that barely runs, with hefty payments and gouging insurance premiums and is trying to put herself through college by taking night classes. She works a variety of part time menial task jobs, with minimal pay. One is as a waitress at night at the local restaurant/pub. She works till midnight, with obnoxious patrons who demand top dollar service while purchasing their “McFatass Burgers”. She has to deal with kids puking on the table, has to tip out 15% of her earnings to the hostess, bartender and busboys, has customers, cooks and her boss grab and pinch her ass and make suggestive comments, and at the end of the night gets to clean up her filthy station and perhaps the restrooms. The “corporate dickhead board” decided in their infinite wisdom to implement a mandatory dress code wherein she has to dress in a somewhat revealing costume, to ensure “conformity” among the employees.
Across town, “Tiffany” has the same situation and the same desires and goals. However she is surrounded by beefy doorman, has cleaner working conditions and does nothing beyond “entertain” as a topless dancer. The difference between the two is really quite simple but very important. At the end of both of their respective shifts, after spending all night bending over and exposing their bottoms to pick up their tips, one from a nasty table, the other from the dance floor, Tessa goes home with about $90 while Tiffany goes home with $700. Like it or not, with money comes power. The power to control ones own life and to be free from the confines of poverty often go hand in hand. Fast forward a few years for both of our “working girls” and one is still working and taking classes part time, encumbered by student loans and credit card debt with her “silver lining” obscured by varicose veins, carpal tunnel and an ever increasing credit debt. The other is now degreed, making great gains on the mortgage of her first home, and starting her own business. Empowerment, or is it demeaning?
If one looks at the purpose or goal of an education, career or job as a way to be able to sustain oneself, which I do, then often the fastest, easiest and surest route should usually be taken. This ideal of endless toil and menial tasks being a great character builder seems to be the brainchild of those who have never actually broken a sweat a day in their life. Oddly it seems to be a favorite of those attempting to prod their underpaid employees to produce a better product, faster and cheaper for the company. This will not come as any type of new flash to most, but the era of “company loyalty” has long since past. Right now you have a better chance of getting “Enroned” right up the butt, then ever seeing your labor compensated justly and the hopes of “Management” to leave your pension intact. A lady has got to set her own course and control the outcome of her future.There is a difference between working harder and working smarter. The ones that have the drive, the inititive and can direct their unique "look" into an early retirement or their own business are smart in so many ways beyond what most people think. But then what the hell do I know?

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 2:14:56 AM   
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Yeah, this was the Andrea Dworkin/Catherine MacKinnon/Edwin Meese line, and I agree with you that it's a crock of shit.  Fortunately, I haven't heard it too often recently.  We may tolerate the ongoing despoliation of the environment; we may tolerate having one liberty after another taken away from us in the name of national security; but there's one thing we ain't never giving up.  Americans want their porn, goddammit.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 2:20:53 AM   
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 The other odd thing about this is that with all the so called "social ills" that they state stem from adult entertainment, no one can provide one actual iota of evidence of those claims. In fact, all legit studies prove otherwise. Including those of property values next to adult business's, topless bars etc.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 2:53:02 AM   
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LandM. . . That is because Andrea Dworkin died. . . alone and unloved. . .


In fact didn't some one find the body afterwards (I mean like a day or two)?

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:00:49 AM   
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To me it seems obvious. If you do not like it or enjoy it simply do not watch it. I personally dislike the majority of porn, however; I fail to see how it degrades women.
 
Womens bodies are used in every mode of advertisement if porn is demening than in my opinin so is this. 

Those who make porn, do so on their own and do not see it as deeming.Perhaps a means to an end but so is any job. It simply pays the bills.

Those who watch porn do not see it as deeming. In fact I would venture to say those that watch it find it a form pleasurable.
 
The majority of the population can not agree on what is sexual in nature or what is morally acceptable.
 
Cencorship is more deeming to society in my eyes than any porn ever will be.
 
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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:11:45 AM   
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Nonesense, Pornography is also erotic art. The female body(except for the grotesquely obese), is one of natures most beautiful creations. Would you say that women whipping naked and restrained men was also demeaning to women? What is wrong with being the object of masculine desire and being inpregnated. That is what a female body is designed for. You are for the most part worshipped by men,if not always appreciated by them.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:13:07 AM   
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Hmm, interesting thread. I'm one of the last, umm, probably the only person I know in my vanilla circles who self identifies with that radical word "feminist" (gasp)...and I've never bought the pornography plank of the platform.

Personally, I don't care for images or such that "reduce" women to a sum of their parts. My husband had to give up his "Hooters" hat the day I moved in. ;) Sports Illustrated is fine 51 weeks of the year.

For other people, my now, that's "other people" and I've never understood the obsession (left and right) with telling other people what's right and wrong for them (either viewing or participating in porn).

On a theortical level, for women in a capitalist society, money is power. The more women I see in a position of power in adult entertainment, the warmer and fuzzier I feel about it as an industry.

(new to the boards, thanks for starting me off with such an interesting thread!)

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:22:34 AM   
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ThattoHeath,
 
Though you may think it is art there are many who do not see it artistic. There are also some who have picketted a certain statue claiming it is demeaning and pornographic.
 
Like many things in our society there is no "general"consensus on what is art and what is not it relys mainly on personal perception and view.  Your own statment about obese women proofs my point. To some men and women a large women is beautiful and erotic at times even more so than a barbie.
 
Welcome to the boards Elizabeth.
 
I agree, I hate porn. Phoenix well he loves it. So it is simple I don't watch it with him.
 
As far as SI, I know some who would scream their swim suite issue is porn because it is sexual in nature. *laughs*
 
I have also heard some say the Miss America Pagant is deeming and degrading to women.
 
Its all about personal opinion.
 
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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:50:31 AM   
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quote:

I agree, I hate porn. Phoenix well he loves it. So it is simple I don't watch it with him.
 
As far as SI, I know some who would scream their swim suite issue is porn because it is sexual in nature. *laughs*
 
I have also heard some say the Miss America Pagant is deeming and degrading to women.
 
Its all about personal opinion.


Thanks for the welcome. :)

Actually, I don't hate porn...there is some power exchange porn that is very enjoyable, wink.

I probably wouldn't think twice about the SI issue, maybe roll my eyes, if I weren't raising teenage sons. They're going to get bombarded with images of the Ideal Woman as 3/4 starved and surgically "enhanced" anyway, but it doesn't have to come from their father's sports magazine in my house, you know?

Miss America? Whatever gets a girl a scholarship, it's all for education.....<g>

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:57:31 AM   
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Sex is a commodity that is bought, sold and exchanged in the market place, whether that market place is the porn industry, marriage or just the simple exchange of pleasure. When a woman grooms herself she is maximizing her assets. The same is true of men. It seems bizarre to me that in a capitalist society this is one of the things we resist. Sex costs and if you aren't prepared to pay the going rate you won't get any.

That being said, I'm with Schoppenhauer to a large extent. Desire can make you miserable so conquer the desire and life is not so bad. Sex like anything can become boring when you have a surfeit of it, it's the desire that impells us to pursue it. Much as I like hedonistic sex, like most things in a capitalist society, its not worth the price of the personal dissatisfaction it causes. When it comes my way I take it but I don't particularly focus on it and I could do without all the adverts selling me useless commodities with the promise that if I buy a certain brand of toothpaste I will be fucking a supermodel six times a night.

Trying to curtail porn is pointless. I live in a city where the sex industry is out in the open and shouting from shop windows. A shop near me has literally 101 different dildoes in the window, posters of women flauntiung their pussies and thousands of other products. I just don't see them anymore when I walk past. The woman who owns the local fetish shop complains that the laws are too liberal and more conservative laws would increase her business because people would find her wares more spicey.

So to some extent, people like McKinnon, Dworkin and Meese should be praised for their contribution to the sex industry but only if you yourself are getting enough sex. If you aren't, it can be a blight on your life, as a constant reminder you are somehow inadequate because you are not having all the fun other people seem to be having.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 4:52:56 AM   
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Pornography: 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
---from the Merriam-Webster dictionary

 
I enjoy porn, because I enjoy being aroused, whether by pictures and/or writing. I also think sex work should be legal (with oversight in terms of health issues and working conditions).

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 5:01:02 AM   
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You won't find me arguing about the pleasure in being aroused, I'm as hot blooded as the next man.

I enjoy porn but without wanting to put words in your mouth, it has its place and I think banning it is futile, petty and on the whole shows a willing ignorance of what it is to be human on the side of those that would ban it.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 5:35:38 AM   
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quote:

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The other odd thing about this is that with all the so called "social ills" that they state stem from adult entertainment, no one can provide one actual iota of evidence of those claims. In fact, all legit studies prove otherwise. Including those of property values next to adult business's, topless bars etc.


I just read an article the other day about a porn store DONATING to a school for a rock climbing wall to help the children fight obesity.  The project was short almost a thousand or more dollars and the store paid the remaining balance.  People went bananas...all except the parents who had been working their hardest trying to get this project going.  Porn stores are part of the community and they DO contribute (taxes etc etc.) 
 
People just sit on thier moral high horses judging simply because something doesn't mesh with thier ideals and standards so they try to tear it down. 
 
If you think about it PORN has helped how many people concieve?  When you go to the fertility clinic the doc hands the man a cup, some lube and the bathroom has porn in it. 
 
and i found this in an outdated article :
 
Historically, women are the leading consumers of anything to do with love, romance, and sex. Women account for the 50-80 percent of purchases made from sex toy and novelty websites and catalogues
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=1161

Porn demeaning to women...hmm....I think the consumers should have the final say on that one.
 
 

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 5:52:29 AM   
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I wanna be a sex object ... oh wait ..I am .. least to a few LOL

and I don't do porn ..... egads!

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 5:59:47 AM   
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I agree that porn in and of itself is in not demeaning to women. And I find it hard to understand how it becomes demeaning if images of women are of a sexual nature...but as one said in a previous post.... when used to sell toothpaste....makeup....and the huge variety of other products or goods that that are hawked by beautiful women, to  make women believe that if they buy...or use said product....that they too can be just as beautiful, is not demeaning.  
 We as a society are the ones who allow others to dictate to us what is beautiful...and what is not. For example....as children...we are for the most part  unaware of negative body image (in most cases).....and are generally quite happy withourselves....it is only at the ages of awareness (usually puberty)  that we realize...that..."oh no...my thighs are too big....my breasts are too small...etc....etc...etc..."  It is encumbant upon us to raise our daughters...and teach young females...that beauty comes in many shapes and forms....and that they do not have to conform to society's narrow perception of beauty.
I happen to  love porn.....i love looking at it...and truth be told...i loveto BE  porn to someone,  does that mean I"qualify" as beautiful to society's standard?...no....do I care?...again...no... if I could cash in on that...would I?...you're darn right I would.  I decided a long time ago that I did not want others profitting  from  MY  hard work and have found a way to avoid that. And I respect any and all others who find ways to do so...regardless of the venue they choose. (well...with the obvious exception of things that exploit  or harm children).
Porn is not evil....or degrading....nor is it the problem.  Now...if a mate views porn excessively, to the point where he does not find his/her partner sexually attractive because they don't look like a porn star....it is not the fault of porn....it is the indivdual...who is again allowing society to brainwash them into considering only one form of "beauty". 
Another question we might ask ourselves....why do we look at/enjoy porn?  For me personally...I love sexuality in most forms....and I am very attracted to the sensual beauty of the human body in regard to sex. I can enjoy it just as much if the subjects  looks do not conform to the "Barbie & Ken" image. 
 I have a former employeee who i've remained friends with....she is young...and newly married...but has been with her partner for several years. She came to me...upset...because her husband had been visitng porn sites, and she felt that  his doing so...implied that he was not happy/satisfied with her.  After talking to both of them at length...both together...and individually, it  came out that....because he was a virgin...when they got together....and she was more sexually experienced than he (to the point of mild kink)> He was using porn as a tool to explore different styles, positions...and varieties of sex/lovemaking to make himself a better sexual partner for his wife..  That made all the difference in the world to her perception of his actions. And abolished her feelings of inadequecy. One of my suggestions to her was for them to do this together...which has also helped them.
What never ceases to amaze me, is that  just because we do not enjoy something... like porn....voyeurism...exhibitionism....we damn others who do, even in a venue that promotes  alternative styles of life. I see many posts regarding "dick pics"....or female nudity, and while I understand.. and respect .that many may not enjoy seeing such things....there are also many who do....I happen to love them...and no...that doesn't mean I have the desire to see every swinging dick on site...but i do not find it offensive...or demeaning.
I frequent another BDSM style site...and have made many friends there....some get quite offended at profiles that contain pictures of genitalia....and look down  on those who frequent the webcam sections of the site....who enjoy showing their bodies...and looking at others. 
Along with enjoying porn...i also love to watch men...AND women...masturbate.  Does that make me less serious about my chosen lifestyle..as those who do not enjoy that?  Does that make me shallow?
Does the fact that I do not mind if  my image is enjoyed by someone who is masturbating mean that I do not value myself...my mind...my feelings?  Not at all. Theres nothing wrong with being a sex object...in my opinion.
Finally...in agreeance with the OP....about  whether..societal ills  are  being brought upon by porn...the adult entertainment industry.... the freedom to express oneself sexuality...and personalities....and  those of us on sites such as this...are a fallacy.  All we have to do is look amongst ourselves to prove that its false.  Many people who choose an alternative lifestyle and or the freedom of sexual expression....hold jobs that include teachers...police officers....those in the medical field and many many other positions that positively affect society as a whole.
Of course...as in any population , there are exceptions...the shame is...those exceptions...are the very people who society focuses on...to base their generalizations.

The above is not meant to inflame or offend....just a humble opinion.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 6:55:44 AM   
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Well…then there’s the whole question of what IS porn?  Really, we can define it…but how do we actually identify it?  What one person sees as porn, another sees as art or entertainment or education, or, well…fluff.

I’ve seen women on the street dress pornographically …totally!  I’ve purchased educational DVDs that I could only find in ‘illicit sex shops online’, so I guess its porn, huh?  Is Playboy still considered porn?  I guess so, if porn is a sports magazine’s issue of women in bathing suits.  I’m no expert, but I’ve read passages in the bible that, if printed elsewhere, would be considered too racy for children.  I understand its porn if some guy pisses in the dirt to make mud he fashions into artwork.  <sigh> 

Some think statues without fig-leaves are pornographic; I think singers who grab their crotches are.  Some think images of women in underwear are pornographic; I think they’re antique postcards (or the Sears catalogue).  Some think BDSM is porn…

Personally…I think we should be paying more attention to violence. 

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 11:20:57 AM   
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This comes from the old idea that seeing naked women will make men want to do things they would not do otherwise.  IE if you never saw a  naked woman you wouldn't want sex....um ok.

What it seems to me is that people want to learn about and possess items about topicss that they are interested in.  If thats sex one might want porn.  If its fishing you might want mags on fishing.  I crochet (and that can come in handy for toy making) so I have magazines about crochet. 

Both sexes see the other as sexual objects.  Men tend to be more vocal and open about it but go to a Chippendales and watch women go nuts over those guys. 

Yes sex criminals do usually have porn around. (there is where the objection starts) back to notion in the original sentence "we wouldn't have sex crimes without porn"  cry the objecters.  That is just nonsense.  Many people consider the feminine form beautiful and enjoy looking and fantasizing without any desire to harm another afterwards. 

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Both sexes see the other as sexual objects.  Men tend to be more vocal and open about it but go to a Chippendales and watch women go nuts over those guys. 
 

You said it on that one, lol. I've been in fear of my life a time or two when a few drunk and horny women stampeded the stage.
I also find the "neofeminazicons"  stance that *all* pornograpy as being demeaning to women a bit amusuing. How is it that gay men, having sex with gay men, filmed by a gay crew, sold on tapes/Dvds to gay men demeaning to women?

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:27:36 PM   
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This one cant read all of that.  She's got a few questions though.  Ever done anything like it?

This one hears of alot of people who think participating in the highly profitable sex industry a great thing.  Mainly she hears it from men.  It usually makes her snort.  You know this one has a little sister, who she wont allow to join in this industry.  You see, this one was forced into the industry when she was 18 years old and having no clue about it.  Most dont realise that with alot of things are hidden consquences.

Its like selling your soul.  This one sees it all over the place.  This one actually experienced it when she was 18 and only by the grace of God did she not lose her soul.  But then most have no clue about this stuff and she must say it REALLY makes her oh so fricken mad when she hears people talk about things that they have no clue about.  She looks at strippers, she looks at any woman in this industry and they're missing something in their eyes.  Its a detachment, a coldness, a warmth that missing.  You see, no woman should put a price on their body - which is excatly what they're doing.  They are saying "i am worth this much" 

No one realizes the toll it takes on a persons mental state.  Its been so long, this one can barely explain it anymore.  She was there once and she knows.  When she was 18, she grew in it, she out reached the one that had coerced her into it.. she grew, she about had her own business.  Then one day, she looked into her eyes in the mirror and she realized it wasnt who she was and she couldnt continue living like this anymore.  No matter if she had tons of money.  She opted for death instead of the life she was stuck in.  It was a better choice. 

No matter, no matter.  She has yet to meet one female in the industry whose head is screwed up and who isnt on drugs.  Sure, they are probably out there, but they are a dime a dozen.  Granted she can jump back into that life, she can make it work for her, but then she's already been to the show.  She's already gained the detachment, the coldness from it and it will never leave her.  she's managed to seperate it from herself, but it'll always be there.  Its a place where one doesnt feel.  It can be a great place as when crap needs to be done, all one has to do is find it with in themselves.

It becomes a chore, a business.. it takes the joy out of it and its replaced with work.  As it is work.  Have you ever had sex where it equated in your brain to washing the dishes.  Performance is what you have to think about.. a good one.  Now, if she's to actually enjoy sex, she cant think about performance and if she thinks about the other person's enjoyment, she loses hers as she is back at work.

Screw getting a real job.  Try and make a 800 dollars a week and then go work a normal job making not even half that.  You want to know what it "does" to you?  <shakes head>  For God fing sakes.. so many people havent a fricken clue.  The downside of sex.  You know, this one has been involved in sex since she was in diapers.  Made her the perfect canidate for this crap.  Yet the sex industery gave her more scars, changed her more then she could even speak about.  So many people.. havent a clue.. yet they fricken think they do. 

Go try it.  Learn to not care, not to give two cents, learn detachment, coldness.  Why not just walk into a strip club and take a look in the girls eyes.  What do you see?  Do you see warmth?  Do you see a real person?  Mayhap you'll just see a girl, whose scheming to get your money, manipulating you.. for all it is to her is an ends to a mean and if she does care.. she wont get her money.  But then strippers arent people, they're shells.  Games and manipulation.  You're just a toy that they need to squeeze.  Do their eyes shine?  Do they look abit dull?  Has life become some sort of game to them? 

whatever... you know this one has been all up and down the industry.  Have you?  Hey its only every day of your life as a stripper for xxx amount of money, its a couple hundred dollars for an hour or two of your time in porn and its even better as an escort.  Only one hour, for a couple of hundred.  i mean really how can you beat that?

But then - nothing good comes easy.

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RE: Pornography is demeaning to women? Pornography make... - 5/7/2006 3:38:59 PM   
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This one cant read all of that.  She's got a few questions though.  Ever done anything like it?

This one hears of alot of people who think participating in the highly profitable sex industry a great thing.  Mainly she hears it from men.  It usually makes her snort.  You know this one has a little sister, who she wont allow to join in this industry.  You see, this one was forced into the industry when she was 18 years old and having no clue about it.  Most dont realise that with alot of things are hidden consquences.

Its like selling your soul.  This one sees it all over the place.  This one actually experienced it when she was 18 and only by the grace of God did she not lose her soul.  But then most have no clue about this stuff and she must say it REALLY makes her oh so fricken mad when she hears people talk about things that they have no clue about.  She looks at strippers, she looks at any woman in this industry and they're missing something in their eyes.  Its a detachment, a coldness, a warmth that missing.  You see, no woman should put a price on their body - which is excatly what they're doing.  They are saying "i am worth this much" 

No one realizes the toll it takes on a persons mental state.  Its been so long, this one can barely explain it anymore.  She was there once and she knows.  When she was 18, she grew in it, she out reached the one that had coerced her into it.. she grew, she about had her own business.  Then one day, she looked into her eyes in the mirror and she realized it wasnt who she was and she couldnt continue living like this anymore.  No matter if she had tons of money.  She opted for death instead of the life she was stuck in.  It was a better choice. 

No matter, no matter.  She has yet to meet one female in the industry whose head is screwed up and who isnt on drugs.  Sure, they are probably out there, but they are a dime a dozen.  Granted she can jump back into that life, she can make it work for her, but then she's already been to the show.  She's already gained the detachment, the coldness from it and it will never leave her.  she's managed to seperate it from herself, but it'll always be there.  Its a place where one doesnt feel.  It can be a great place as when crap needs to be done, all one has to do is find it with in themselves.

It becomes a chore, a business.. it takes the joy out of it and its replaced with work.  As it is work.  Have you ever had sex where it equated in your brain to washing the dishes.  Performance is what you have to think about.. a good one.  Now, if she's to actually enjoy sex, she cant think about performance and if she thinks about the other person's enjoyment, she loses hers as she is back at work.

Screw getting a real job.  Try and make a 800 dollars a week and then go work a normal job making not even half that.  You want to know what it "does" to you?  <shakes head>  For God fing sakes.. so many people havent a fricken clue.  The downside of sex.  You know, this one has been involved in sex since she was in diapers.  Made her the perfect canidate for this crap.  Yet the sex industery gave her more scars, changed her more then she could even speak about.  So many people.. havent a clue.. yet they fricken think they do. 

Go try it.  Learn to not care, not to give two cents, learn detachment, coldness.  Why not just walk into a strip club and take a look in the girls eyes.  What do you see?  Do you see warmth?  Do you see a real person?  Mayhap you'll just see a girl, whose scheming to get your money, manipulating you.. for all it is to her is an ends to a mean and if she does care.. she wont get her money.  But then strippers arent people, they're shells.  Games and manipulation.  You're just a toy that they need to squeeze.  Do their eyes shine?  Do they look abit dull?  Has life become some sort of game to them? 

whatever... you know this one has been all up and down the industry.  Have you?  Hey its only every day of your life as a stripper for xxx amount of money, its a couple hundred dollars for an hour or two of your time in porn and its even better as an escort.  Only one hour, for a couple of hundred.  i mean really how can you beat that?

But then - nothing good comes easy.

 

I didnt quite get your whole post but sorry for what sounds like bad things. I think in part some of my point is that bad things can happen to people no matter what business your in. However, rather than being a pawn (like in most business's) my point is that if a woman decides for herself she wishes to do something in the adult entertainment industry, she then does it herself, starts her own company, runs it, manages the money and the business, answers to no one, then what is the downside?

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