NeedToUseYou
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I have no idea what that was about. If you read my post with objective eyes. You seem to expect a answer and work your own prejudice into others arguments. It says nothing of religion, marriage, or what men want women to do. The whole point of the post is simple, and wasn't addressed by anything you said. The point I was making is that sexuality is a emotional aspect of all people. Selling that to people even those that repulse you, is the point. Other jobs may suck but I wouldn't say demeaning as someone staring at your bald pussy at the least, or in the high end of the being fucked by someone you're completely unattracted to. The objection isn't sex, but having sex, or sexual contact with people you don't find sexual for the sole purpose of money. . In my opinion being forced into sexual contact with people you don't want to engage, for the sole purpose of money isn't empowering. But enslaving yourself to quick money. Now in nearly every other industry the interactions are much less personal. And doing them doesn't tend to cause moral conflicts.
I'm all for freedom of choice, I think strip clubs, porn, and hookers should all be legal. I'm not into big government, but I still think it's a profession that should be avoided if possible. Despite any suggestion otherwise, peoples sexuality is a important part of anyone. Whereas I don't see that exchange taking place in other industries. And I don't see how a person can indefinitely seperate the action from who they are.
Feel free to disagree, but please disagree with something I said next time.
My point was you were equating stripping, hooking, porn etc to being demeaning.
You were talking about "green, money, empowerment, jobs, etc" so I think my explaination ties in rather nicely.
You keep mentioning people being "forced into sexual contact" with others that you may not know nor want to know? Where are you coming up with this from my intitial message? The whole point is that you are NOT forced into anything but make that choice on your own. Again I will use the example of a woman who owns her own company, doing what she wants on her little webcam and getting paid for it. She's not having sex with anyone, not leaving her home, not a hooker, yes you could call her a stripper but not in the conventional sense in that she's at a club with a pole. Shes at home doing what she wants to do and setting her own limits. How is that not empowering?
As to sexuality being an emotional aspect of all people, what does that mean? Are you denying that we are mammals and that most mammals are not monogamous? Yes we are different in many ways. Some would say a better ability to reason and opposible thumbs (yes primates). But with that ability to reason comes that thing known as impetus and volition. You, your family, your preacher and neighbor might see sexuality as some huge emotional connection with emotions, romance, marriage, reproduction or whatever. Others may see sex as just plain and simple good old fashioned get down and dirty fucking. Who's to say that one is right and the other is not? Ah yes, back to my earlier message which you mocked and the origin of some of that nonsense. Men, control, church, religion that man invented, those so called morals, the notion of woman's place, thier proper behaviour, being "ladylike" and 1000s of years of fathers and mothers telling daughters that sex is something that belongs between a married man and a woman. Obviously part of those reasons were [A. security. Again most women were not *allowed* to fend for themselves based on laws. [B.Control. Men wanted to control the fact that women might actually have sexual desires of their own and those desires may not include "husband". [C. Children. It was obviously in womens best interest to stay with the father of her children in order to have two people providing for their security, education and well being.
Then they invented the pill. The we had feminism, civil rights, laws created outlawing hiring preferances based on gender (and race etc), and other efforts such as college admission equality, closing the pay gap in salaries and so forth. Then along came artificial insemination and guess what? Women no longer need men for money, protection, sperm (as in direct deposit, lol) and so on. One of the last vestiges of last centuries (and previous ones) male dominated patriarchal control is the issue over men still trying, still clinging, to the notion of women, womens bodies and what we can do with them. Theres were laws pertaining to dildos, porn, piercing, going topless, daning, hooking, posing, and of course all reporductive issues come into play.
I don't want control of women, this seems to be the central flaw between us communicating. I just want them to get there act together and stop whining all the time. For gods sake I was raised by my mother without a father in the house(She wanted it like this be the way, she wasn't abandoned). You really need to drop this theory that males want to control all women. As for religion, I haven't been in a church since I was 5 years old and that was for the free doughnuts before service. I'm only interested in religion from the standpoint of how it affects others in our world. All of your arguments are based around the perception we want to control you. I don't want to control you, help you, harm you. I don't want anything to do with you or any woman I'm not personally involved with. Besides just regular social interactions. I would go on but it's pointless because you always come back to somehow I must give a fuck about you or women in general. Really I don't care about women, or men. Really the only group I concern myself with is children rights and protection. Everyone else can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't directly harm anyone. But do I think it's healthy to sell ones sexuality. No. But you can. But it still has nothing to do with any of the reasons you give.
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As more and more women break free of the brainwashing that tells them a good deal of what you have stated, make our own money, hire our own lawyers, fight our own battles, win total freedom and equality, men will become essentially obsolete, lol.
Is that your real concern?
Under that criteria women would be obsolete to men already. Your arguments are obsurd and short sighted. Concerning money and those things it buys only. You delete any human emotional aspects in determining worth reducing people to dollar amounts. I personally think you are a prime example of this issue I was addressing earlier in my posts, maybe that's why you can't see the logic because you are living it. Everything in your world seems to revolve around money and the power it brings. At least that's all you talk about, power and money. You sound like gollum in the lord of the rings, stroking your precious, while rotting inside. There is more to people than their net worth, and the name of the lawyer they can hire.
Who old are you? I thought money and power was everything when I was about 10, since then I had a job I didn't enjoy which was the same as me selling my own conscience for money. Insurance sales. Selling for the sake of sales, not because it was good for the client. I did that for about 3 years, and then decided it wasn't worth it, and started my own business a couple years later. Starting with only about 10000 dollars, so you don't have to be rich to be gainfully employed and your own boss. I don't have to deceive and manipulate for money. I sell products not sell lies and deception, which is exactly what sex workers are selling. Unless, of course you're arguing they really are attracted to all those men. LOL.
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